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ZorajitZorajit posted:Shouldn't the draft set have three product codes, for the starter, runner, and corp? Legitimately don't know how that's set.
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CodfishCartographer posted:That would make sense, could smooth out some of the balance stuff by removing Kate, Yog, etc from the new core and having the old one rotate out. Then could also include some stuff like Plascrete or maybe even Jackson included in the new core to keep them from rotating. Or maybe rather than a "new" core set they'll just make a best-of pack that won't rotate, and keeps some of the stars of previously rotated cycles? Although that can kind of defeat the point of rotating in the first place. Zephro fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Fixing IDs is kinda hard because you'd have to replace the Core ID with something generic that doesn't require lots of support, but also isn't from a big box, I guess. I'd probably go with CT, Gabe, Reina, PE, Making News, BABW and ehh, maybe The Foundry?
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Shockeh posted:Frankly, as said on Slack - I'd 100% be behind Core 2.0, even if it was to correct various minor things that aren't so much 'broken' as warp the space around them. Yeah. Also Noise, not because he's OP but because he's almost his own mini-faction and he warps the design space quite a lot
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While we're making Core 2.0 wish lists, I think a 3/2 for every faction would be good since it would help keep never-advance viable after rotation. ABT is already in the core; swap Astro for Beale; add Atlas. Jinteki could maybe do without one since Medical Breakthrough sort of fills the role and is in H&P, plus Braintrust is really bad, plus Nisei Mk 2 is great.
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The only trouble is that involves printing new cards. If the rumours are true it seems they're trying to avoid that for the new Core so that existing players don't have to rebuy their Cores.
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Snare isn't that bad for newbies. Just show it to the runner before you play, and say "be aware that accessing a face-down card against Jinteki can be dangerous. You can play around it by ensuring you have at least three cards, one spare click and two credits before you run, or you can play the odds since I can only have three in my deck", and then maybe remind them again if they run at a point where they could die to it.
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Anyone know what the streaming / coverage arrangements for Worlds will be? There's the official FFG stream, but I assume that will show a mix of all the FFG games being played. Are there plans for a specific Netrunner stream, or is the community organising streaming of its own, or anything like that?
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Edit: OK, I've changed my mind about the NBN barrier. It's possibly good in a Midseasons deck so your ICE stays relevant after the tags land, but it's expensive for a deck that's just blown its load on a big trace. It's good against tagme as a tech card. It's bad in general use because 6 creds for a 3-to-break ICE is terrible. It's decent behind a Data Raven, but positional ICE is bad. The Weyland one seems bad, with the illicit tag as a comical gently caress you on top. Weyland lyfe Speaking of which, En Passant makes degenerate Val decks that just spam Blackmail, SoT'd Blackmail, Deja Vu'd blackmail and Levy'd Blackmail even better, sigh. Khan's console is just weird - it does nothing at all to support her breakers. And it's not like Crim needs more HQ multi-access. It's also a bit risky against any PE, IG or Supermodernism deck since the multiaccess is mandatory, meaning you can't necessarily rely on the 2MU in those matchups unless you just never run HQ. Best defence seems pretty good, mainly for the interaction with zero-cost cards, of which there are quite a few that see play. Also good for blowing up Plascretes after a Midseasons. Smoke is nuts but we knew that anyway. Preemptive action might be better than some people think. It's good for recycling things like Snare and Shock, or Bio-ethics and Hostile in IG49, or trashed ICE, or political assets, or trashed Jacksons, etc. It takes the pressure off your Jacksons too, meaning you can focus them a bit more on defending agendas. I think it might see play in some decks. Edit: I can't decide about Wetwork Refit. It's probably underwhelming, but it makes Fairchild 3.0 unbreakable with clicks, which maybe might prove useful? Probably not though. Zephro fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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She could be fun in Hot Tubs behind a Tour Guide, maybe.
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PJOmega posted:Favorite quotes out of context. 
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CodfishCartographer posted:It's not, but it usually means that the Runner has to play the rest of the game (until she's trashed) without ever ending their turn with 4 or fewer cards in hand. Untrashable assets are a cool idea but they'd be really hard to balance. You'd either need to give them relatively small benefits, maybe something like a PAD campaign that only gave a credit every other turn or something. I guess the other, more interesting option would be to give them two-edged benefits that are sometimes disadvantages, and would make their untrashability more interesting (since the Corp isn't allowed to trash them from a server either). Sort of like Palana Agroplex tried to be. That would be very hard to balance, but cool if you could get it right. Zephro fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Meh, Khan's console is really such a missed opportunity. I guess Temujin is meant to be the thing that compensates Khan for the huge cost of using and installing her breakers, but it's just turned into the generic economy card du jour (entirely predictably) and is used by basically every other runner as well (it feels like it should have been one more inf at least and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it MWL'd). The console should have synergised with the breakers in some way, at least - draw a card the first time each turn you derez an ICE; reveal all cards in HQ the first time each turn you derez and ICE, add the first ICE you derez each turn to HQ unless the Corp pays a credit, or something. It's not hard to think up fun interactions that would make the bird breakers better and more playable. Oh well.
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WFGuy posted:I've been playing a few different Khan decks, and it's become very clear that she and her breakers only work with two cards: Autoscripter, and CybSoft MacroDrive - with emphasis on the CybSoft. The ability to reinstall the birds for cheap is critical. Multithreader helps, and if you're running Saker instead of Paperclip (risky and pricey) you can run Net-Ready Eyes too, but that MacroDrive is the one thing that gives Khan her own purpose. I pretty much agree that Gauntlet doesn't do much to help - the 2MU is actually a little odd, suggesting that they either want her to run Pheremones or to import all three Multithreaders instead of just one or two - but it's a nice late-game console. In theory, Khan with that console can lock down HQ very thoroughly and use her Turning Wheel to occasionally put pressure on R&D to boot. I'll try a tweak to incorporate these changes after I get my hands on Intervention, certainly. Unrelated: I like currents as a design idea but boy do I not like Employee Strike or Rumour Mill (or Cerebral Static, for that matter). Blanking cards is really bad design; there should always be options. More Targeted Marketing or ELP please Damon, less ES or RM. quote:The reason Blackmail gets the most hate compared to those other options you mentioned is setup cost and scope. Zephro fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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I'll be interested to see the stats from Worlds, especially the top half of the Swiss and what happens in the cut. It feels intuitively like Runners are much stronger than Corps right now, but the stats don't seem to back that up. Worlds will give us a look at the metagame at the top-end, with the most skilled players. So it'll be interesting to see if the roughly 50-50 split holds at the top tables.
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^^ I'm sort of surprised there isn't more Sol, News Hound is really good, TM is better the more predictable the Runner meta becomes, and you have all the usual NBN tricks. I wonder if it's time to add like Sweeps Week and Tollbooth to the MWL along with all the other NBN cards. Also, I knew Rumour Mill was a stupid card that shouldn't have been printed. Are games being streamed anywhere yet or is it just Twitter updates so far? edit: it's kind of a shame, NBN is my favourite faction from a pure flavour point of view, I wish they weren't comically overpowered as well. Zephro fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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My objection to Rumour Mill isn't so much the pure power level (although it absolutely ruins any Jinteki deck that wants to leave agendas on the board for more than a turn). It's just really bad, binary, sledgehammer game design. "Your cards do nothing" is both frustrating and boring as a concept because it leaves very little room for counter-play. Employee Strike is nearly as bad for the same reason. Corp IDs tend to be very impactful and decks are built around them. The fact that it hoses the more interesting IDs more than the generic ones makes it even worse - shutting off say, IG or PE or Blue Sun is more impactful, I think, than shutting off Palana or Sync or ETF. Cerebral Static is just as bad. They're just badly designed, unfun, non-interactive cards. edit: as for NBN I think the problem is partly the fact they just have a really deep pool of solid cards. Sweeps Week is probably the best operation econ in the game; compare it to Commercialisation or MRF or something. Tollbooth was the best high-strength code gate for years, and even now that Tracker and Fairchild 3.0 have been printed it's still pretty good. Wraparound is a solid gear-check / AI hate barrier in a single card. They have two different 3/2s and the best 2/1 in the game, as well as good FA in faction, the best tagging options, a variety of tag punishment all of which is solid (CA, ASI, Psycho, EoI all see play), a passable trap in News Team, really solid IDs (NEH, Sync, Sol, Haarp and CTM all see play at high levels, and it still astonishes me that NEH got 17 inf), Jackson - a card so fundamental that it's basically a rules patch - in faction, etc etc etc. They are just really solid and really deep even beyond their flashy standout cards like EoI or whatever. Zephro fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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GrandpaPants posted:Can someone clue me in as to who Dan D'Argenio is and why that is apparently a thing?
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Also does anyone know if there are any streams besides the official FFG one?
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Dodgepong is running their own unlicensed stream AgInfusion sounds janky as all hell. I like it.
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I guess the MWL doesn't matter much when your faction is stuffed with good cards, heh edit: I presume those Val decks are all Rebirth, right? Just don't tell me they're Blackmail spam.
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^^Actually I was wondering about a GNK or something where NBN and Anarch were both banned, but I guess it would just be ETF vs Nexus Kate and Temujin Andysucker as far as the eye could see
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Though for all the (justified) bitching, this will be the first year NBN has won Worlds. IIRC ETF has won twice and RP once so far. Top 8 gonna be really repetitive though.
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Wow, Hunter Seeker seems really really bad #WeylandLyfe
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Tithonium actually looks really interesting. First Destroyer Barrier I think? And I like the option to forfeit an agenda instead of paying the rez cost, especially if 2/0 agendas are going to be A Thing. Standoff looks fun but bad, given that the Corp has to defend at least two, sometimes three and often four servers I feel like the Runner is going to be quite willing to trash cards to force the Corp to do the same and the payoff if the Runner refuses seems a bit anaemic. Watchtower is a nasty face-check. Meteor Mining is great for flavour alone. edit: Miraju is fun in a PU deck full of Shocks, and a really cool piece of ICE in general Zephro fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Also Chris from RLC and Lukas commentating on the FFG stream hype
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Six of the top 16* are from the UK meta, which is good to see  *Ben Ni is representing Singapore, but he lives and plays in the UK.
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Marilyn Campaign: If Marilyn Campaign is trashed while installed, you may shuffle it into R&D instead of adding it to Archives Damon gets design ideas from the SA forums, confirmed
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Stack damage seems to be the new thing with a lot of these cards, not just with PU.
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CirclMastr posted:I've tried several iterations of PU to mill out a runner completely and force a flatline. While on a case-by-case basis it might be more impactful than regular damage (because the runner can often control what's at risk of regular damage), building a deck around milling out the runner is basically impossible right now unless it's a Museum deck, because you'll deck yourself first otherwise. But then, try testing a Museum deck on jinteki when half your opponents quit when they see a 54-card corp. Also that spoiled Jinteki ICE that does net damage when you pass it is dreamy for PU Zephro fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Nice. Post pics? After lurking a bit and spectating on Jinteki.net I feel I can safely say a Chief Slee/ Offer You Can't Refuse deck will win Worlds 2017, take it to the
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Thanks for the great write-up. Could you expand a bit on your thoughts on meta diversity? I know there was GRNDL and IG and Chaos Theory and so on at Worlds. But if you just look at the top 8, it was almost entirely Whizz/CTM, which you might think is evidence of a meta without much diversity at all. Is there really enough variance in those decks to constitute a healthy meta? Plus two other popular decks were kind of "degenerate" (though I don't really like using that word, but w/e) namely NEH Shutdown Boom and DLR. Not troll questions, I'm genuinely curious as to how it shakes out at the top level and how much variation there's room for.
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Hillary is a bioroid? It all makes sense now
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Hot spoilerzzz https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/9/station-one/ Counter-surveillance is interesting. Gives you an incentive to float a single tag if you suspect nasty upgrades in a server. LOS seems decent, though not sure the biggest things crims need right now is yet more money. Seidr Adaptive Barrier looks cool, though it doesn't interact with Architects of Tomorrow.
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Wait, I think I misread Counter-surveillance. It's basically Medium for tags that also works on HQ, so it's actually really good, assuming you're going tag-me anyway.
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Static Equilibrium posted:Admittedly, especially for corporations, there's a ton of overlap in the cards in your deck if you want to play one of the absolute best decks, and I do think it's bad that so many of the best cards are concentrated into two factions--I think it makes it harder to build creative and innovative decks, and I think it makes the game a lot less fun for a lot of people who are primarily drawn to the deckbuilding aspect and that really sucks, and I think that it's bad for the long term health of the game/community for certain factions (weyland) to continually be vastly underpowered (although remember, a couple years ago we were having the same conversation about Criminal, the faction which probably did the worst at worlds day 2).
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She's out but new enough that she might not be legal. Play Noise, no one will expect it (don't actually do this)
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:What happened to RSVP? It seems good, no spending money on breakers to break future subs, and is effectively a hard ETR in front of trashable assets (especially with Prisec around now) I know, I know, "positional ICE," but for corps that can't spare the influence for Chum, it seems super strong, and it's in that sweet spot of code gates where it's Yog and David-proof (NRE can DIAF)
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