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Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Tejas.

Loel fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Sep 5, 2016

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Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

The Great State of Tejas has submitted their platform.

Loel fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 7, 2016

# ¿ Sep 3, 2016 08:54

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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For the purposes of voting, do we need a simple majority (6/10), or two thirds? (7/10)

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 00:12

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You can have El Paso if you vote in Tejas' favor

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# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 00:21

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Quorum posted:

Yep that was my error sorry!

PS I am more than happy to receive the demands/entreaties/weird political rants of Delmarvanc goons. But I've already got a small list of regional priorities off the bat; can anyone say DC statehood?

While we're at it, why not Samoa, Guam, Mariana, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and Navaho?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 01:16

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Im going for serious American politics, so ...

2016 national election?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 01:47

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Olothreutes posted:

Cat_Herder! As one of your delegates I demand more money for blowing things up in the NCR. We have all the missile and bomb ranges!

I support a 'bigger guns' platform, and recommend nuclear weapons research immediately.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 01:54

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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OP, when you have enough platforms can we expect a weekly agenda to argue over? ie

Week 1, healthcare
week 2, energy

etc? I want to know what to trade votes for

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 02:02

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Yes. On September 12th, the first week's debates will put two (possibly more) items on the floor. Six days of negotiation, then a vote. September 19th, two new items. Repeat until we have a functioning constitution.

Sept 12 is so far away :v:

Want to give us a teaser? Fishing rights, anything.

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If anyone wants to take a stab at a new Preamble, go nuts. "We The People..." doesn't really sing; what about "We the Corporations..."?
Are you suggesting a shadow-president appointed by the House to sternly grunt and shake his/her head "no" whenever the president's about to sign a law?

Sounds like a Prime Minister, dual heads of state.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 02:05

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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We, the Accelerationists ...

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 02:09

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Elmnt80 posted:

I currently reside in the town named after the most honourable Senator Brooks. I fell I will be more than capable of obligin' your request.

Also, We the good and honest folk of the republic... has a wonderful ring to it.

Edit: Also, guns are good. We want more guns.

Tejas supports more guns.

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# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 02:21

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quote:

5, plus tiebreaker 45%
6/10 27%
7/10 27%
8/10 0%

Looks like we'll be seeing a lot of changes :v:

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 03:37

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Im assuming I've had a hispanic Democratic wave in Tejas, so I'll be 'Tejas liberal.'

Yes guns, but maybe some healthcare too.

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# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 04:17

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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

*sips malt liquor beverage* nyone trying to do more damage to the crumbling industrial infrastructure that is my remit is going to have a bad day, just FYI

Stay with me a moment, but -

what if we made the roads

out of GUNS

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 04:50

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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

You mean melt down all the guns I could get behind that especially as they're so often used to kill poor Libertopian citizens

Dramatically limited police powers bash the fash Libertopian Lives Matter

Wow way to ruin a perfect world with your liberalism :colbert:

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 04:54

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

(OOC: you've seen the states I represent, right? Indiana can be as bass-ackwards as it wants it's not overcoming Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Detroit I'm just saying)

OOC: Yeah, I looked up the polls for Tejas. We're uh .. we're not giving up guns.

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# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 04:58

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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RandomPauI posted:

OOC: I'm taking advantage of the lack of a formal history or explanation behind the convention to retcon why my regions taking the positions its taking.

Surprise LaRouche coup

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 05:04

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Works for me. Im operating under 'backlash against the Trump revolution' kind of thing, so that fits.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 05:45

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Mmk, let's kick something off with something light: ratifying some old treaties we have lying around.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 06:18

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Its a constitutional convention, we can sign things if we want to

edit:

"Appendix I to the 2nd American Constitution. The following treaties are signed into with force of law, and are not considered a part of the Constitution.

A, B C."

Loel fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Sep 4, 2016

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 06:42

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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Fair cop, and I'd forgotten about that bit! Still, the Speaker (OP) has said they'd like to put individual issues on the docket, ten in total; I'd say "treaties and international obligations" just became one of the five issues of importance you want to bring up to the convention, hmm?

This is more to pass the time until we get the issue of the week

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 07:08

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Thats a good point.

OP, can we assume whatever we come up with becomes the law of the land?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 14:01

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Peztopiary posted:

OOC -- It's actually going to be really hard to roleplay this, because an actual Constitutional Convention would result in the red states' wet dreams being passed over the strong but completely irrelevant objections of the blue states.The NCR up there wouldn't recognize LGBT people (no marriage, no protections, etc.) and they'd get the War on Drugs into the Constitution etc. Nevermind what they'd do to Cascadia in terms of water use rights (hint: they wouldn't exist anymore, federally) no matter how stupid it would be for them to have to take on that at the regional/state level. They'd gut the Supreme Court's authority to rule on almost anything as well.

Yeah, I presume that's why the Founders (tm) made it so we need 5/10+1 of each region, as opposed to 2/3 of all states, for that reason.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 22:20

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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I will admit having 11 regions would make votes easier.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 22:45

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Looks like that would be a 3.6 trillion dollar project http://www.wired.com/2015/01/time-fix-americas-infrastructure-heres-start/

Edit: Thats using 2010 dollars http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/a/#p/grade-sheet/americas-infrastructure-investment-needs , so it would cost more like 4T

Loel fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 5, 2016

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 23:59

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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The Mafia games have one, let me check how they do it.

edit: So far Ive found

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-To format your vote please type "##vote targetname" in bold ( [ b ] to bold, without the spaces, [ /b ] to close tags). ##unvote if you wish to remove your vote from someone but not put it on someone else yet.

but not where the vote goes...

edit 2: It looks like there is a bot that posts votes? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3787500&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=8 Scroll down to 'votefinder'

edit 3: instructions here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3729528#post447371443 but the person I asked said its down at the moment.

Loel fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Sep 5, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 00:12

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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

Would you go so far as to say Service Guarantees Citizenship?

I would like to know more.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 00:56

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Since a few people have mentioned it...

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Appendix I to the 2nd American Constitution.

The following treaties are signed into with force of law, and are not considered a part of the Constitution.

1/6 Votes (RandomPaul)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

0/6 Votes
Convention on Cluster Munitions
Ottawa Treaty
The Rome Statute

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Appendix II to the 2nd American Constitution.

The Federal Government shall ensure infrastructure is maintained. In the year of 2016, the Federal Government shall follow the recommendations of the 2010 paper produced by the American Society of Civil Engineers, at an estimated cost of four trillion dollars.

0/6 votes random paul, seiferguy, xiahou dun, cat_herder?

Loel fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Sep 5, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 01:05

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Also, for people who want trains, the Amtrak Northeast corridor upgrade would cost 150B. https://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/453/325/Amtrak-Vision-for-the-Northeast-Corridor.pdf

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 01:58

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Thats why I have sections for 'this only counts as a law' or 'the govt will do x, with a 2016 budget of y'

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:03

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QuoProQuid posted:

Now, I appreciate good infrastructure projects, but is a constitutional convention really the best place for that? These are complicated issues, deserving of public scrutiny and input. By its very nature, this constitutional convention is closed off from the people. It is organized by an unelected body, representing regions instead of the several states. If you want trains, that is a matter for an eventual governing body to decide upon. It seems short-sighted to pockmark the instrument of government with temporary appropriations.

Yup. The original constitution had 'post offices', we can have 'trains'.

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It would be a subversion and manipulation of this body's actual purpose. If you want to get around congress, enshrine national referendums and plebiscites.

Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

The American people gave us these powers because the standard methods haven't worked. Congress cant pass a bill, a budget, a Supreme Court justice. We're here to give the emergency lifesaving care, and then give the body politic back in better shape then when we got it.

My reason for suggesting these two votes is because I think they are softballs - something that most of us can sell back home (Rights of a Child! Fix your potholes!) and will give us some breathing room to have our epic slapfight over gun laws and healthcare.

Otherwise, it's 'the American people gave us emergency powers, and we still can't get anything done.' Let's give the talking heads something to distract them while we get into the nitty gritty.

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# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:16

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

How is there a precedent? Do we expect to have a third constitutional convention anytime this century?

Everything about this is a special case. And while the previous Constitution listed 'post office' under responsibilities, the recent Congress has been doing their best to destroy it. They are ignoring their responsibilities to pass bills, budgets, and Justices, which is why the appendix to this iteration requires a bit of handholding.

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# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:27

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Xiahou Dun posted:

I wasn't going to lobby for "And the Q will extend to 103rd St for a convenient transfer from the 6", but meant more like "Public transport is a right and we're gonna make it happen, it is loving dumb that it's easier to go NYC>Albany>Boston than NYC>Boston (as an example), when all three are about equidistant and Albany is, well, you either know what I mean or have no idea where Albany is and I rest my point."

And this is two relatively well connected East Coast metro areas. NYC to Seattle, or gently caress Spokane, I might as well get hosed.

Also gun registration and licensing. And gently caress anything that isn't useful for hunting.

Yeah I think I'm getting my full NYC on.

(Showtime dancers will be drawn and quartered.)

Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

I'm happy to have the states and legislatures manage the particulars, I simply want to get the ball rolling. Four trillion in needed maintenance, good lord.

Loel fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Sep 7, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:35

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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QuoProQuid posted:

If we are so worried about Congress failing to pass certain bills, why even have a Congress? Why not just declare the members of this Constitutional Convention to be absolute rulers, governing into perpetuity? Why not undo the revolution and bring back the age of kings? I understand that the democratic process can be inconvenient, but it exists for a reason.

The Framers failed to enshrine appropriations for a reason. If we were to do that, it would encourage states to call for a constitutional convention whenever they lost a grant or pet project. It would encourage constitutional amendments over asinine minutia.

I don't disagree that infrastructure spending is important, but it deserves to be discussed in the public sphere and voted upon by elected representatives, not decided in a smoky backroom.

Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

Well, it would take 6/11 votes to do so, which I don't think we'll get.

Additionally, calling for a constitutional convention is hard enough that it happens once every ten generations. I think your claims are much ado over nothing.

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# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:38

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SpaceCadetBob posted:

Edit: erm non-delegates are allowed to discuss poo poo in here right? I haven't really been tagging poster names to delegates yet besides my own.

Yup!

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:45

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Pakled posted:

As a concerned citizen of Georgia, I think it would be wise for the Constitution to contain something to protect against gerrymandering.

Delegates Hernandez and Hernandez

The Great State of Tejas agrees, and will put forth every effort to ensure democracy.

Loel fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Sep 7, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 02:52

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3/6 Votes (RandomPaul, Cat_herder, Loel)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

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Convention on Cluster Munitions
Ottawa Treaty
The Rome Statute

1/6 votes (cat_herder) random paul, seiferguy, xiahou dun?
Infrastructure mandate

Loel fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Sep 5, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 05:18

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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4/6 Votes (RandomPaul, Cat_herder, Loel, seiferguy)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

3/6 Votes (Cat_herder, seiferguy, loel)
Convention on Cluster Munitions
Ottawa Treaty
The Rome Statute

3/6 votes (cat_herder, seiferguy, loel) random paul, xiahou dun?
Infrastructure mandate

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 07:23

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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5/6 Votes (RandomPaul, Cat_herder, Loel, seiferguy, ragnarokangel)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

4/6 Votes (Cat_herder, seiferguy, loel, ragnarokangel)
Convention on Cluster Munitions
Ottawa Treaty
The Rome Statute

4/6 votes (cat_herder, seiferguy, loel, ragnarokangel) random paul, xiahou dun?
Infrastructure mandate

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 07:45

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 08:22

Loel: Jun 4, 2012; "For the Emperor."

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Looks good in sketch! Gives my proposal some clarity, I like your funding mechanism.

5/6 Votes (RandomPaul, Cat_herder, Loel, seiferguy, ragnarokangel)
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women
UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

5/6 votes (cat_herder, seiferguy, loel, ragnarokangel, random paul) xiahou dun?
Infrastructure mandate

4/6 Votes (Cat_herder, seiferguy, loel, ragnarokangel)
Convention on Cluster Munitions
Ottawa Treaty
The Rome Statute

I figure we'll go through the entire edited Constitution once we're done, make it a final draft.

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# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 11:21

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