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http://theantimedia.org/police-arrests-dakota-access-pipeline/ Riot pice arrest at least 20 protestors at the Dakota access pipeline, and facebook censors the video. Right after Obama 'fixed' it, right?
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:http://theantimedia.org/police-arrests-dakota-access-pipeline/ Why is fixed is quotes?
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socialsecurity posted:Why is fixed is quotes? To imply a certain facetiousness because Obama clearly has not fixed it. That would be my guess, having read sentences in English before.
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Sep 15, 2016 01:49
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The Justice Department directive only stops construction once the pipeline reaches the lake. It doesn't actually stop the private company from building up to that point.
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Sep 15, 2016 01:51
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Cops allegedly showed up yesterday in armoured vehicles, threatened protestors with sniper rifles and shotguns, an estimated 21 arrests were made. Regardless of the legal status of the pipeline, it seems to coppers are maintaining the hard line.
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Sep 29, 2016 09:58
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Facebook is blowing up with an alleged mass arrest at the site, but there are no sources to back it up. Anyone here knows what is going on?
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Oct 3, 2016 11:33
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Tias posted:Facebook is blowing up with an alleged mass arrest at the site, but there are no sources to back it up. Anyone here knows what is going on? Here's an article on the 21 arrests with some pictures and video.
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Oct 3, 2016 12:21
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New police fuckery this saturday: https://theintercept.com/2016/10/25/video-police-viciously-attacked-peaceful-protestors-at-the-dakota-access-pipeline/
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Oct 26, 2016 08:33
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html Much like in Oregon, turns out the people who live there mostly hate the "peaceful" protesters! Hopefully the government cleans them out soon, before they do more stupid poo poo.
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Oct 29, 2016 21:05
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:You don't want to move oil by train, especially US shale oil - it's very rich in methane, which is highly combustible should there be an incident. If a pipeline is built, they still move oil by train, all that changes is that the rate at which oil can be transported increases. The "but trains are dangerous" argument is usually used disingenuously by oil companies. Maybe if you ever heard them say "if we build the pipeline, we promise to use x fewer railcars and trucks" it'd be different. They won't say that though, because they just want to dump as much product into the market as quickly as possible. tsa posted:This thread has less posts in 3 days than the militia thread had in 3 minutes. Media these days reacts to what people are talking about and not even d&d seems to care much. Time-delayed lol Rodatose fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 29, 2016 21:24
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html Ahahaha look at this propaganda. I was actually at Standing Rock and met tons of Standing Rock Souix opposing the pipeline and living in the camps. "Where you from?" was a common question and likely as not the answer was "Right here." The Sacred Stone camp is built on local, native owned land with the full blessing and support of actual Standing Rock Souix. CNN most likely got locked out of the camps for being corporate fuckfaces and went to find the only native folk who were willing to talk to them. I particularly love the part where they quote that guy saying that if Dave Archimbault "had any balls, he'd tell the protesters to go home" and somehow CNN studiously avoids mentioning that Dave Archimbault went to the United loving Nations to testify against the violation of native land and to try and get recognition for the opposition to the pipeline. He fully supports the protesters. What a bunch of lying shitheads. Obviously, not everyone is going to agree with what's going on and native people aren't a monolithic hivemind but from my experience as someone who was there talking to actual locals, there is very clearly tons of local support.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html The two events are fundamentally different. One was a gaggle of armed guys upset they can't do whatever they want with the land and might have to consider other stake-holders. The other is an unarmed group who live in the impacted watershed and are opposed to the degradation of their watershed, ancestral land, and heritage in order to make a bunch of outsiders rich. I mean, the two events are superficially similar, but the underlying concerns couldn't be more fundamentally different. In fact, in a lot of ways, what the Bundy's wanted to do to Oregon is exactly what the Standing Rock Sioux want to prevent in North Dakota.
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xrunner posted:The two events are fundamentally different. One was a gaggle of armed guys upset they can't do whatever they want with the land and might have to consider other stake-holders. The other is an unarmed group who live in the impacted watershed and are opposed to the degradation of their watershed, ancestral land, and heritage in order to make a bunch of outsiders rich. I mean, the two events are superficially similar, but the underlying concerns couldn't be more fundamentally different. In fact, in a lot of ways, what the Bundy's wanted to do to Oregon is exactly what the Standing Rock Sioux want to prevent in North Dakota. Yup, the Burns-Paiute specifically told those hicks in Malheur to gently caress off and they fully support the water protectors in NoDak. Weirdly, when the Bundyites were yammering about returning the land the gubmint stole to its rightful owners, they never even considered that gee maybe that might mean non-white natives. It never occurred to them that it shouldn't be given to whites. Both situations, Malheur and DAPL, are clearly racist land grabs where white people feel completely entitled to steal even more from native people and poo poo all over them with impunity. The opposition to DAPL is partly about protecting water, which is very important, but its also about people who are sick of being marginalized and run down by white supremacists who feel like everything in the world is theirs for the taking. That's why so many tribes have been coming from all over North America to fight this thing - for solidarity in opposing this institutionalized racist theft and poisonous resource extraction anywhere it happens. fake edit: I'm been hopping loving mad hearing about the acquittal of those psycho, nazi terrorists while cops lob concussion grenades and fire rubber bullets at unarmed, peaceful protesters for "trespassing" on lands that are theirs by treaty. The contrast in treatment these two groups got/are getting by law enforcement is loving infuriating and baldly racist.
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Remember guys, those pipes never fail. And here is an official non-answer from Hillary. quote:Charlie Galbraith, serving as a Clinton advisor, shared the campaign’s official statement in an e-mail to ICTMN: “We received a letter today from representatives of the tribes protesting the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline. From the beginning of this campaign, Secretary Clinton has been clear that she thinks all voices should be heard and all views considered in federal infrastructure projects. Now, all of the parties involved—including the federal government, the pipeline company and contractors, the state of North Dakota, and the tribes—need to find a path forward that serves the broadest public interest. As that happens, it's important that on the ground in North Dakota, everyone respects demonstrators' rights to protest peacefully, and workers' rights to do their jobs safely.”  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRKpcEYdJQ Complaint Compilation fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 30, 2016 01:22
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800peepee51doodoo posted:fake edit: I'm been hopping loving mad hearing about the acquittal of those psycho, nazi terrorists while cops lob concussion grenades and fire rubber bullets at unarmed, peaceful protesters for "trespassing" on lands that are theirs by treaty. The contrast in treatment these two groups got/are getting by law enforcement is loving infuriating and baldly racist. It really is a travesty. The Bundy fucks should be going to prison, but they're white so they can get away with being actual terrorists. Meanwhile Native Americans are justifiably protesting against the DA pipeline and they're getting attacked and arrested. The US continuing its proud tradition of loving over native people.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:29
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This was a cool thing that happened: https://vimeo.com/189299392
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Oct 30, 2016 01:59
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800peepee51doodoo posted:This was a cool thing that happened: Buffalowned 
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Oct 30, 2016 02:01
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800peepee51doodoo posted:This was a cool thing that happened: If the Buffalo Nation straight up stops the pipeline, I will officially stop thinking we don't live in the coolest universe possible :3
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Oct 30, 2016 13:30
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Lobsterhead posted:It really is a travesty. The Bundy fucks should be going to prison, but they're white so they can get away with being actual terrorists. Meanwhile Native Americans are justifiably protesting against the DA pipeline and they're getting attacked and arrested. The US continuing its proud tradition of loving over native people. I've had people arguing at me that they stand for the same thing, access to land. Except that's not true at all. Native land claims are based on stewardship and responsible land-use practices in my experience, with a BIG emphasis on available and clean water. Look at the Apache Stronghold protests at Oak Flat for a compliment to Dakota No Access. It's the same rhetoric. And if it's not water or traditional land use access, it's related to sacred sites and human remains, and the respect thereof. Basically, maintain and protect the Earth and it's resources as well as the sacred sites of the ancestors and certainly don't destroy for short term profit. The government is seen as aiding private interests that would destroy the land, and therefore is wrong and when Native communities have disagreements with the federal government over land management policies outside resource extraction, it's usually related to access to sacred sites and the ability to gather a LIMITED amount of traditional plants or animal parts for ceremonial use on federal land. Contrast this with the Bundys and their ilk. Their whole "reasoning" for taking Malheur was because of some ranchers who got burnt for poaching game out of season and burning sensitive grassland that wasn't theirs to burn. Before that, Old Man Cliven was throwing a fit that the government wanted him to graze only on land set aside for ranching, to pay his fees so upkeep of the land could be done and to not destroy local native sites (a thing that has happened since the occupation, mostly Great Basin Archaic and Paiute rock art sites). They want access to land, unrestricted, so they can overgraze grassland, pot hunt native sites for artifacts to sell, fish out the rivers, hunt when and where ever they feel like it, strip mine the earth, suck up as much oil as you want, chop down trees with no thought, ride ATVs all the gently caress over (which of course destroys plant life, but also fucks up A LOT of Native archaeological sites, this is an ongoing battle in South Utah) and in general despoil the land. In short, they want the land to be open to whoever wants it, can claim ownership of it with a gun, keep others away and profit off the land. I've run into these ranchers on public land here in Arizona, they have no qualms about pulling a gun and telling you to leave public land if they feel you shouldn't be on THEIR LAND. It's not about free use of land, it's about no government control so that those with guns and violent hearts can seize it all to destroy it for profit and fun. To these fucks the government is seen as standing in the way of their ability to do whatever they want, where ever they want and to stop others from having that right with force. Because that's "freedom" to idiots like them. Basically, the DNAPL protestors, their allies and Apache Stronghold are the ideological descendants of Goyaałé, Dasoda-hae, Bidu-ya, K'uu-ch'ish, Bít'aa'níí, Tȟašúŋke Witkó and Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotȟake, while the Bundys and the general extremist nuts of the West are the ideological descendants of the murderers and thieves who fought and killed those great Native ancestors so they could squat on their land and do as they saw fit. To equate the two is to spit on the sacrifices of all those who died resisting the imperialism of the Spaniard, the British, the French, the Anglo-Americans and even to an extent the Mexicans in the American West.
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E: Fake news, sorry.
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Oct 30, 2016 21:34
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Can anyone actually follow what was happening with the legal injunction and the ACE? I started to read the ruling on the injunction http://earthjustice.org/sites/default/files/files/order-denying-PI.pdf but haven't had time to dig into it thoroughly. What I mostly see is that there's this claim that the the Army Corps of Engineers/DAPL tried repeatedly to contact Waste’ Win Young (the tribes' historic preservation officer) several times over a few month period from ~ September 2014 to February 2015, but failed to get in contact. Is that what the court is considering as having the ACE having "fulfilled" its obligations to try to contact tribal officials? I've tried looking up articles on this but I guess I'm hoping for pretty detail-oriented answers and lol journalism these days. If anyone has information I'd be very appreciative. If nobody responds I think I might read the court filings and try to piece together what the hell happened.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:09
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I wonder if its one of those " oh the order has been on public display for months. In a basement. In alaska."
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Oct 31, 2016 12:49
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Is this facebook checkin thing something that will actually help? I don't want to bandwagon on something that will cause damage or gently caress up the public discussion.
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So on the 27th, someone seems to have gotten caught trying to infiltrate the protestors. I'm more inclined to believe this than the sniper thing. http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/31/did_dapl_security_worker_wielding_an https://www.facebook.com/wearethemedia2016/posts/652481118266252 And yeah, I have no idea why the ACE thing that was supposed to halt construction was suddenly overturned with nobody mentioning it. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Oct 31, 2016 16:40
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Jack Gladney posted:Is this facebook checkin thing something that will actually help? I don't want to bandwagon on something that will cause damage or gently caress up the public discussion. At least for the time being, it will probably help protect the protestors and their family from police harassment. As for the "randing stock" thing, police algorithms are probably already updated to include it.
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Do we know if they can search friends-only posts? I am assuming facebook behaves as a good capitalist and collaborates at all times. Too bad none of the usual suspects have arranged a ddos of the local or state police yet.
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Jack Gladney posted:Is this facebook checkin thing something that will actually help? I don't want to bandwagon on something that will cause damage or gently caress up the public discussion. edit: The legal situation appears to be highly complex with many specific details. For instance, the September period mentioned above appears to be regarding specifically soil testing to determine what manner of construction is possible, and not any actual construction. (Also, regarding that, the Corps did attend two meetings with the tribe, but wasn't able to discuss anything because the first meeting ended early and the second wasn't attended by Young) edit2: Things look pretty bad for Standing Rock: quote:Standing Rock took a different tack. The Tribe declined to participate in the surveys because of their limited scope. See Chieply Decl., ¶ 29. Instead, it urged the Corps to redefine the area of potential effect to include the entire pipeline and asserted that it would send no experts to help identify cultural resources until this occurred. Id. In a responsive email, the Corps expressed its regret that the Tribe would not participate and welcomed any knowledge or information regarding historic properties that it was still willing to provide. twodot fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Oct 31, 2016 17:36
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Jack Gladney posted:Is this facebook checkin thing something that will actually help? I don't want to bandwagon on something that will cause damage or gently caress up the public discussion. At the very least it shows solidarity and spreads awareness, since there are no media outlets covering this. twodot posted:The legal situation appears to be highly complex with many specific details. Seems pretty cut and dry to most reasonable people: this is wrong. I don't give a poo poo if they avoided a survey, the onus isn't on them to prove that their land shouldn't be wrecked by large oil corporations. Native Americans already have almost no land, and you don't have to go too far back into our history to remember why. Regardless, we shouldn't be building loving oil pipelines in 2016. mitztronic fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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mitztronic posted:Seems pretty cut and dry to most reasonable people: this is wrong. quote:I don't give a poo poo if they avoided a survey, the onus isn't on them to prove that their land shouldn't be wrecked by large oil corporations. Native Americans already have almost no land, and you don't have to go too far back into our history to remember why.
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Does anybody know what the story is with the Morton County Sheriffs announcing that dude with the AR-15 had been shot by protestors and was being treated, and then the statement was retracted a couple days later? I only came across it today although it seems as though it was all over on thursday friday.
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coyo7e posted:Does anybody know what the story is with the Morton County Sheriffs announcing that dude with the AR-15 had been shot by protestors and was being treated, and then the statement was retracted a couple days later? I only came across it today although it seems as though it was all over on thursday friday. No, but it would appear to be a lie. We have photos and video of USA veteran protestors negotiating a peaceful stand-down with him, and of his ID papers confirming his employment at one of the security contracting companies. Pic and quick run down here: http://theantimedia.org/dakota-access-caught-infiltrating/ E: On a lighter note: Islander native groups have started some massive loving Hakas in support of Standing Rock: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1102073623245751/?fref=ts
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On what land is this contested portion of the pipeline being built? Tribal land or private land that is adjacent to tribal land? I've seen it reported both ways.
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Captain Beans posted:On what land is this contested portion of the pipeline being built? Tribal land or private land that is adjacent to tribal land? Its not really cut and dry. The pipeline is being built on private and federal land and isn't technically on tribal owned lands. However, a lot of that land is disputed by the tribe as being traditionally theirs by treaty, in particular the piece of land where most of the direct action is taking place. Some private land was seized with imminent domain from people who definitely did not want to sell. Also, some of the land contains sacred sites but the federal government doesn't recognize them as such. Additionally, the pipeline cuts across the Missouri river upstream of the reservation and there are extremely valid concerns that any problems in the pipeline will poison the reservation water supply. This was literally the reason that white people gave for demanding that the pipeline be moved from its original planned path north of Bismark.
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800peepee51doodoo posted:Its not really cut and dry. The pipeline is being built on private and federal land and isn't technically on tribal owned lands. However, a lot of that land is disputed by the tribe as being traditionally theirs by treaty, in particular the piece of land where most of the direct action is taking place.
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Tias posted:No, but it would appear to be a lie. We have photos and video of USA veteran protestors negotiating a peaceful stand-down with him, and of his ID papers confirming his employment at one of the security contracting companies. https://www.facebook.com/MortonCountySD/posts/345562455796099 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dakota-access-pipeline-protesters-removed_us_58123b0ee4b0990edc2fb009 Yeah, I just haven't heard anyone mention that hey, the authorities are literally lying in a way that makes the protestors look like a violent, armed group... coyo7e fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:So, not on tribal land then, at least legally speaking. Do the feds have a published survey map somewhere? Surely they must. The published survey maps would not have the archaeological/sacred sites on them if thats what you are asking. Well, they shouldnt and if they did then someone is going to get fired over that.
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Dead Reckoning posted:So, not on tribal land then, at least legally speaking. Well, that's actually not a super clear thing either. The treaties weren't just setting up reservation plots and calling it a day. They also granted access to traditional sites for hunting, fishing and religious purposes on land that the tribes didn't necessarily own. So they are allowed to hunt and fish in areas that other people can't, like national forests and such but it also gives them a legal foothold to try and preserve land. There have been a lot of lawsuits filed that argue that development of land that tribes have access rights to by treaty effectively bars them from exercising that right. Some of the lawsuits have been successful and others haven't. I am in no way an expert on this and I don't know the specifics in NoDak but the people out there feel very strongly that they have a claim on that land. Knowing what I do about the history of the government's relationship with native people, I'm inclined to trust them on that. But it really doesn't matter what the law says about it. That has been their land for 10,000 years. White folk have been using laws that they made up to steal land for centuries. Its also useful to point out, again, that the original plan had the pipeline running north of Bismark. White people complained and they moved it. They didn't shoot the white people with rubber bullets and sic dogs on them.
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A gofundme was started asking for $5,000 which exceeded $1 million: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dakota-access-pipeline-protesters-crowdsource-5000-get-1-million/ and of course the lovely people of Reddit have a problem with it: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5an0pz/dakota_access_pipeline_protesters_crowdsource_for/
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MageMage posted:A gofundme was started asking for $5,000 which exceeded $1 million: Reading that reddit thread I found a link to a court document that says the ACE tried to contact the tribal leaders multiple times for consultations. Other tribes talked to them, Standing Rock mostly didn't. If that's true, holy gently caress their tribal leadership is terminally retarded and may have screwed over everyone else on the rez. Check out pages 15-33 for the whole shitshow. https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2016cv1534-39 DeusExMachinima fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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I don't see any terminal retardation there, although I don't read legalese well. Seems to me they try to shitcan the tribe because of Young, who can't document her claims as well as the corporation. This does not justify the pipeline, nor the paramilitary repression of protestors.
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