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Pellisworth posted:This has happened forever, state and federal governments have taken every opportunity to renege on treaty agreements and confiscate land promised to the reservations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sioux_Reservation Or, after losing a battle to a confederacy of local Tribes to steal their land and build an expansion of the Loop 202 right through Moahdak Do'ag (South Mountain) you eminent domain a bunch of homes in Ahwatukee, still have to plow straight through or very near to another Reservation and the mountain and then clean through a low-income area that is mostly Hispanic, to slam into the I-10 at 59th Ave, so that the white rear end people who live in the suburbs of Litchfield Park, Surprise and Goodyear don't have to have their little lives inconvenienced sitting in traffic downtown on the way to their jobs at the Intel plant in Chandler because there are no jobs in the West Valley. gently caress local Arizona politicians. Or, you flood Tohono O'odham land down on the Gila River when a dam you made poorly bursts, so you trade some land up in Glendale, since back then (1980s) it's just cotton fields and gently caress all. In the early 2010s the Tohono O'odham want to build a casino, but you built a highschool within five miles and the Glorious Stadium Complex (which is empty 90% of the time) and fear that the casino will bring evil, so you, the city of Glendale, try all sorts of underhanded fuckery to steal the land. They lost that one though, and the casino is in and finished. Then there is the fuckery out by Oak Flat, where a bipartisan consortium including John McCain, Jeff Flake and state idiots Paul Gosar (R) and Ann Kirkpatrick (D, that's where the bipartisan comes in) pushes a very corrupt "land-swap" shoved into a defense spending bill to give a poo poo ton of land sacred to Apache, with rare riparian areas and great recreational value to that old shithead company, Rio Tinto, so they can mine it until the ground sinks, with, even better still, very little of usual cultural and environmental assessments. Even better still, the town of Superior, a mining town, opposes the whole thing. And don't get me started on the loving bullshit the Navajo Nation has had and still has to deal with in relation to uranium and coal mining. Basically, Arizona is a state with a large amount of Native people and a massive amount of Native land, so they get hosed A LOT. KiteAuraan fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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Doc Hawkins posted:Wow. I had only heard about the Havasupai, who live in and around the Grand Canyon, and thus constituted quite an inconvenience to people wanting a pristine and human-free view of the pretty rocks. Although from what I've read, the really bad days seem to be behind them. Pristine and human-free view of the pretty rocks has not been true of the Grand Canyon for at least 12,000 years. There's Clovis-era stuff there and everything in between. Hell, you've got entire Pueblo settlements on the bottom of the canyon until about 1300.
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Sep 9, 2016 10:50
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Liquid Communism posted:Don't forget that McCain couldn't get the Rio Tinto deal on Apache Leap passed in AZ, so the enormous poo poo bag turned it into a rider on last year's must-pass Defense Appropriations bill. Yet, if we vote to replace him with his Democratic opponent this year, we get Senator Ann Kirkpatrick, another architect of the deal.  Thank God Raul Grijalva exists and tries to fight some of this poo poo. He's one of the few shining lights in this state's idiotic political zoo.
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Sep 9, 2016 12:51
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Pellisworth posted:A bit of a crosspost, but just a reminder: Also, Just Move to the City is not a solution when our social net has failed you in education and systemic biases keep employers from hiring you. Phoenix is surrounded by four reservations that are no more distant from the city center and other suburban jobs than any of the numerous other sprawl communities in the region. But what do you know, poverty and unemployment are higher among people living there than elsewhere. gently caress's sake, Fort McDowell Yavapai and Salt River Akimel O'otham/Pii-Posh are right next to North loving Scottsdale, but they're both poor and disadvantaged. Of course to the residents of Scottsdale (north Scottsdale is very, very, very wealthy, as is nearby Fountain Hills, where Sheriff loving Joe lives) they're just filthy savages. Yet it's still far, far better to live on one of those reservations from an opportunity perspective than it is to live on say, the Navajo Nation or at Hopi or especially out at San Carlos.
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Sep 10, 2016 09:17
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Tias posted:Facebook is blowing up with an alleged mass arrest at the site, but there are no sources to back it up. Anyone here knows what is going on? Here's an article on the 21 arrests with some pictures and video.
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Oct 3, 2016 12:21
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Lobsterhead posted:It really is a travesty. The Bundy fucks should be going to prison, but they're white so they can get away with being actual terrorists. Meanwhile Native Americans are justifiably protesting against the DA pipeline and they're getting attacked and arrested. The US continuing its proud tradition of loving over native people. I've had people arguing at me that they stand for the same thing, access to land. Except that's not true at all. Native land claims are based on stewardship and responsible land-use practices in my experience, with a BIG emphasis on available and clean water. Look at the Apache Stronghold protests at Oak Flat for a compliment to Dakota No Access. It's the same rhetoric. And if it's not water or traditional land use access, it's related to sacred sites and human remains, and the respect thereof. Basically, maintain and protect the Earth and it's resources as well as the sacred sites of the ancestors and certainly don't destroy for short term profit. The government is seen as aiding private interests that would destroy the land, and therefore is wrong and when Native communities have disagreements with the federal government over land management policies outside resource extraction, it's usually related to access to sacred sites and the ability to gather a LIMITED amount of traditional plants or animal parts for ceremonial use on federal land. Contrast this with the Bundys and their ilk. Their whole "reasoning" for taking Malheur was because of some ranchers who got burnt for poaching game out of season and burning sensitive grassland that wasn't theirs to burn. Before that, Old Man Cliven was throwing a fit that the government wanted him to graze only on land set aside for ranching, to pay his fees so upkeep of the land could be done and to not destroy local native sites (a thing that has happened since the occupation, mostly Great Basin Archaic and Paiute rock art sites). They want access to land, unrestricted, so they can overgraze grassland, pot hunt native sites for artifacts to sell, fish out the rivers, hunt when and where ever they feel like it, strip mine the earth, suck up as much oil as you want, chop down trees with no thought, ride ATVs all the gently caress over (which of course destroys plant life, but also fucks up A LOT of Native archaeological sites, this is an ongoing battle in South Utah) and in general despoil the land. In short, they want the land to be open to whoever wants it, can claim ownership of it with a gun, keep others away and profit off the land. I've run into these ranchers on public land here in Arizona, they have no qualms about pulling a gun and telling you to leave public land if they feel you shouldn't be on THEIR LAND. It's not about free use of land, it's about no government control so that those with guns and violent hearts can seize it all to destroy it for profit and fun. To these fucks the government is seen as standing in the way of their ability to do whatever they want, where ever they want and to stop others from having that right with force. Because that's "freedom" to idiots like them. Basically, the DNAPL protestors, their allies and Apache Stronghold are the ideological descendants of Goyaałé, Dasoda-hae, Bidu-ya, K'uu-ch'ish, Bít'aa'níí, Tȟašúŋke Witkó and Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotȟake, while the Bundys and the general extremist nuts of the West are the ideological descendants of the murderers and thieves who fought and killed those great Native ancestors so they could squat on their land and do as they saw fit. To equate the two is to spit on the sacrifices of all those who died resisting the imperialism of the Spaniard, the British, the French, the Anglo-Americans and even to an extent the Mexicans in the American West.
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Telsa Cola posted:NAGPRA only works on state and federally owned land, as well as anyone who gets fed money for the project. Winters rights might or might not be applicable, the mostly focus on water use rights. Also, if some of the cultural sites are just lithic scatters or something NAGPRA doesn't apply at all, as they're not graves or cultural patrimony. It sounds like some of the cultural sites are just scatters, along with some cairns and burial sites which would fall under NAGPRA, but only if they're on federal land. There could also be state laws that apply, Arizona has laws that protect any grave on any land for example, but I don't believe North Dakota has similar laws.
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Nov 2, 2016 21:40
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LiterallyTheWurst posted:Drilling was allowed to happen right over a site that had yielded some interesting artifacts in a survey. But no worries, Dalrymple and friends asked the company to haul fill dirt to the site rather than dig it from that very spot. How in the flying gently caress did that fly past NAGPRA, ARPA and NHPA?
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Nov 23, 2016 11:18
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C2C - 2.0 posted:The sooner y'all realize that Dead Reckoning and jarmak are either cops, directly related to cops, or just cop fetishists specifically, the sooner y'all will realize what position they're arguing from. Being directly related to cops is no excuse. Both my parents are/were cops, a close friend is a cop, I still call cops on their bullshit and numerous problems.
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So this pretty much confirms that the radical American Indian Movement is going to come back right? Because that, and cutting aid and ignoring them in every other way is pretty much historically proven to always result in Native people resisting the government in hardcore ways.
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