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The games are standalone but you should play the original trilogy because it's good.
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I really liked Case 2, it might be one of the best "filler" cases in the series. I think it had a great take on the "obvious culprit who's a huge rear end in a top hat" idea because he had a perfect alibi and was applying pressure to the investigation throughout. It also did a good job of wrapping up the Gramarye/Trucy plot-thread that was kindof abandoned in AJ which is the kind of thing filler cases should do.
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Sep 10, 2016 00:11
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Case 2: As good as the case was overall the trick felt kindof shaky because of how much cleanup the culprit had to do afterwards. I mean he had to move the murder weapon and the body from the catwalk to the stand on the stage, move the rubber sword down into the understage area, apply blood to the coffin and swap the holes of it. It seems like he should have at least aroused some suspicion from someone when doing that.
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Sep 10, 2016 16:20
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I like the MM because they contain images of the defendant doing the murder.
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Sep 10, 2016 17:50
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I remember Blackquill's matrix being good and climactic too.
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Sep 10, 2016 19:22
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Case 3: Day one felt like a bit of a waste of time. You painstakingly argue through a (kindof ambiguous and frustrating) Divination seance to change around positions and introduce the possibility of a third party. Then all that progress is just suddenly swept away by a true but unbacked theory from the prosecutor. Then you spend FOUR TESTIMONIES on a guy who turns out to have nothing to do with the case and has no relevant information about it. I think day two was good though. The seance was more logical and made meaningful progress, and the confrontation with the culprit was good and emotionally satisfying. It's also probably the best "thought route" so far, the questions did a great job of guiding you towards the big twist while also making you feel like you figured it out yourself. NRVNQSR posted:(Case 2 spoilers) You could argue that we don't know what the age of majority is in Japanifornia.
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Sep 12, 2016 04:48
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I'd use the term "standalone" since it doesn't have negative connotations. Every main series Ace Attorney game has had two large standalone (IE not directly related to the finale) cases so it's not like it's anything new.
Hey Maya remember that time I cross-examined a parrot?
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Sep 12, 2016 05:15
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Suspicious Cook posted:I've mostly just started Case 4 but Blackquill at least fights back with insults of his own. It's actually really refreshing and the most I've ever liked him. Nahyuta needs to cram it, because I'm sick of his crap. e: I like Athena's remixed theme. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Sep 12, 2016 |
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Sep 12, 2016 10:00
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Raxivace posted:The Payne family is the true blight on the legal system that must be abolished...permanently. 
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Sep 12, 2016 20:07
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smenj posted:Well, in most cases it's just really unlikely it was your client, and usually it takes a while to prove that. For a big chunk of the trial, your client is usually the most obvious culprit. It's only during the last half or third or so when it becomes a bit silly that they still think it could've been your client when you've already proved they weren't at the scene or something. In AJ case 3 though, it's patently obvious from the very beginning that it would've been near-impossible for your client to have done it, and that doesn't change once. It was absolutely infuriating.
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Sep 12, 2016 23:05
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Case 3 ending: That is actually what happened, though? I agree Nahyuta should've presented some evidence to back up the claim. I also felt like dismissing Datz as a suspect out of hand because he was a rebel was silly, there could easily be some kind of internal squabble between them.
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Sep 13, 2016 00:39
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Oldbag and Lotta were random one-off witnesses before they came back
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Sep 13, 2016 01:26
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AAI2 is very good and had a suprisingly high quality fan translation patch. The game set in the past, DGS is getting one but it's by a group that doesn't localize anything on principle so it will probably be worse.
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Sep 13, 2016 13:46
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Case 5 day one: Case 2 and just the first day of Case 5 with nothing else are both better finales for AA4 than the finale of AA4.
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Sep 14, 2016 04:27
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alcharagia posted:Okay, I need some help.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:30
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The game has felt pretty hard all around, partly because of the very long trial sections. That's mostly felt good outside of some ambiguous seances/testimonies and the loving fingerprinting
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Sep 14, 2016 22:23
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Apollo's bracelet sucks because it's a tedious spot the difference exercise that plays out agonizingly slowly rather than a puzzle.
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Sep 14, 2016 22:55
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Athena's in a bit of a strange position because she hasn't had her own game/final case yet. I imagine she'll have an arc where she proves herself next game.
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Sep 15, 2016 00:11
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Yeah turning the crowd against her is actually a very personal attack.
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Sep 15, 2016 00:45
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Los Angeles has a large community of Japanese immigrants who Blackquill spends all his time with.
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Sep 15, 2016 01:34
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Something that's cool in case 5 trial day 2: On one of the insights if you present the laughter as evidence that the crime didn't happen at 3PM you get shot down since laughter isn't an uncommon thing in the bazaar, but don't get a penalty. Are there any other reasonable but wrong answers that don't penalize you in the game?
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Sep 15, 2016 01:45
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The localization team backed themselves into a corner with their branding of the first four games is why.
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Sep 15, 2016 02:55
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Case 4 shows us Athena is still training as a lawyer I guess. And that in addition to learning from Wright she's also learning to do whatever it is Blackquill does
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Sep 15, 2016 14:40
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Waffleman_ posted:Lana will have been released from prison by this time and is the special prosecutor at the end of AA7.
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Sep 15, 2016 17:19
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Finished the game. Thought it was really good overall, especially case 5 which managed to be almost nonstop twists and turns with emotional impact. The entire premise for the game was a bit of a risk and I assumed it was going to be dumb going in but it actually seemed to work. Whole game: We've talked about them not doing 3 day trials anymore, but it looks like they mostly abandoned 2 day trials for AA6. The only trials that go to a second day are 3 after you're found guilty and 5 which is really a completely different case. I assume it's to keep the trial intensity up and I do think it works very well in case 5.
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Sep 16, 2016 14:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh my god
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Sep 16, 2016 23:52
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IceBorg posted:The only thing I can say about DGS1's last case and ending is imagine if Spirit of Justice ended after case 5 day 1. Because that's basically what they did with DGS1.
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Sep 17, 2016 20:14
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I'm betting on three simultaneous cases (one in Khura'in with Apollo) that turn out to be linked.
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Sep 17, 2016 23:37
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I think having a friendly prosecutor works when the actual culprit stands out as the villain and needs teamwork to be brought down (eg 1-5, 2-4). Aggressive prosecutors like Blackquill tend to overshadow the cast of the cases they're in, which isn't always what you want. Having the prosecutor always be a bad person would also skew the message of the series towards "all prosecutors are evil" which is kindof dumb, it's more about the need for vigorous and determined debate to discover the truth.
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Sep 18, 2016 03:27
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I mean if the prosecutor just gave up and said "OK the defendant seems to be innocent" you'd probably never find evidence nailing the true culprit. All of the attorneys need to be challenged in order to find answers.
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Sep 18, 2016 03:47
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I don't think there is any situation where anyone remotely competent or sympathetic would be legitimately supporting Attishon.
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Sep 18, 2016 14:49
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Case 4 does basically tell you who did it and their motive in the character profiles lol Kindof reminds me of this one anime episode I saw where someone casually mentions the massive life insurance policy her husband just took out on her and that he wants a new car.
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Sep 18, 2016 15:23
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But her trauma is specifically related to people in court being mean to her. Obviously being an attorney will be hard for her but it's what she felt was right.
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Sep 18, 2016 16:58
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I cared because Blackquill would lose his precious noodle stand.
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Sep 18, 2016 17:26
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mabels big day posted:I'm nearing the end of case 5 (i think, anyway) and I think I can say this case is dumb. sorry folks, but the game is bad. Case 2 and especially case 3 were really good but a broken watch is only right twice a day. Ace Attorney is dead. Unless somehow the ending of the case redeems all the dumb stuff that's happened so far, but we will see.
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Sep 19, 2016 01:22
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Case 5: Re: Inga those aren't really problems for him. Amara knew the founder's name and he could easily get it out of her by just getting Rayfa to ask. He was also probably planning to give the power to Rayfa so she could take over as queen immediately - she'd likely do whatever he needed her to anyway.
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Sep 19, 2016 05:26
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What was insensitive about the Newmann twist other than the fact that we didn't get to out a transperson like some people seemed to want?
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Sep 20, 2016 05:02
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13/f/cali posted:Did they ever explain (spoilers for the whole game) how they were able to conduct a murder trial for the Queen without the obvious issue that it wouldn't have been possible to perform a Divination Seance for her? Datz mentions that those used to be "just another piece of evidence" so they definitely still existed back then. Did Ga'ran just play it off like she didn't need one or something?
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Sep 20, 2016 20:54
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The point was that Inga believed it would be able to grant power, it doesn't matter whether it could or couldn't in reality. He was probably planning to give it to Rayfa so she could ascend.
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They really need Presto tracks and Argument/Rebuttal in the main games already.
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