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Falun Bong Refugee posted:Lovecraft hated black people and was not very subtle about it. Comparing him to Twain is moronic. The n word is magic and makes you racist even if you're deconstructing the continued racist attitudes of the post-war South, in a manner exceedingly progressive for your time.
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Yes, I especially liked when he called niggers for niggers.
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reallivedinosaur posted:Mark Twain was ok but some of his books deal with "racist" stuff so I declare it unreadable I am very sensitive to the feelings of people I never intend to spend any time or attention on. I do like Lovecraft's writing a lot, I think it should be available and that people should check it out. but dude, Mark Twain didn't write things like: "The negro had been knocked out, and a moment’s examination shewed us that he would permanently remain so. He was a loathsome, gorilla-like thing, with abnormally long arms which I could not help calling fore legs, and a face that conjured up thoughts of unspeakable Congo secrets and tom-tom poundings under an eerie moon."
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Sep 6, 2016 21:11
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His racism has little if nothing to do with the quality of his work. He was a good author.
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Good genre fiction author cannot be said in a way that doesn't sound sarcastic.
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Sep 6, 2016 21:13
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He's okay I guess but after all the internet hype about how it's the creepiest darkest scariest poo poo ever actually reading it was underwhelming. Pyramid Head is definitely the pinnacle of "seriously, this is what everyone says is so drat scary?" but Lovecraft stories are a close second
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PinkoBastard posted:I do like Lovecraft's writing a lot, I think it should be available and that people should check it out. but dude, Mark Twain didn't write things like: conan doyle wrote stuff pretty much exactly like that he also made the KKK a supervillian
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8-Bit Scholar posted:The Re-Animator, it's giant Negro zombie notwithstanding, is a fantastic Lovecraft story that feels far less derivative than a lot of his works. In particular, it's one of those great examples of the Lovecraft Finish: a long, flowery "short" story whose gruesome finish is literally two paragraphs. I think Re-Animator and Colour Out of Space are his best, having read most of his poo poo. The Dream-Quests and At the Mountains of Madness get a lot of points from me for ambition and weirdness despite being mediocre to bad stories themselves ^to the above dude, I'll defend Lovecraft a lot but the dude was a seriously hosed up racist. His peers in the goddamn 20s thought he should calm down. He was good pals with Robert E. Howard, writer of the Conan series and a man never noted for racial sensitivity, and he's been on record telling HP to chill with the whole black people thing
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Sep 6, 2016 21:15
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i always liked "Incomprehensible Music of Erich Zahn" or whatever its called. Really short but well written imho
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Mordja posted:I like Stuart Gordon movies. Yeah agreed
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Sep 6, 2016 21:18
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Mordja posted:I like Stuart Gordon movies. 
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PinkoBastard posted:I do like Lovecraft's writing a lot, I think it should be available and that people should check it out. but dude, Mark Twain didn't write things like: was that about the protagonist's portuguese grandma?
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Sep 6, 2016 21:20
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For those who hate Lovecraft, you should read the Dream Cycle or whatever it is. I think it's probably his most seminal work in a lot of ways--it's basically a straightforward fantasy adventure but it feels the most "personal" of his works. It's about him, and how he sees things, and it's got so much fantastic imagery, it's something that begs for a great big budget adaptation. Lovecraft today would be a Tumblrite pure and simple. The guy loves cats and thinks they have magic powers; the main character rides a giant cat from the moon to the earth. I imagine Lovecraft as a kind of bitter shut-in who is terminally, terribly shy. He seems to be the kind of guy literally scared of everything. He's a much more pitiable character than loathsome in my mind, he probably was never a happy soul.
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Everything good about Lovecraft was stolen from The King in Yellow, op.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:For those who hate Lovecraft, you should read the Dream Cycle or whatever it is. I think it's probably his most seminal work in a lot of ways--it's basically a straightforward fantasy adventure but it feels the most "personal" of his works. It's about him, and how he sees things, and it's got so much fantastic imagery, it's something that begs for a great big budget adaptation. That sounds retarded.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:That sounds retarded. Yes, but in a good way. It ends with Nyarlathotep just being an O.G. in some island castle.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:That sounds retarded. Yep, that's the Dream-Cycle in a nutshell. I give it credit mainly for being weird/ambitious and because Nyarlathotep is the coolest thing HP came up with
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Sep 6, 2016 21:28
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gently caress no
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8-Bit Scholar posted:For those who hate Lovecraft, you should read the Dream Cycle or whatever it is. I think it's probably his most seminal work in a lot of ways--it's basically a straightforward fantasy adventure but it feels the most "personal" of his works. It's about him, and how he sees things, and it's got so much fantastic imagery, it's something that begs for a great big budget adaptation. would tumblr have made lovecraft less racist
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Sep 6, 2016 21:32
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^^^ -- No, definitely the opposite. The Dream Cycle would have some awesome visuals if it was adapted. That ought to be Peter Jackson's next project, tons of creepy monsters and great sets he could build with his New Zealand dollars. I think the Underworld has a valley of skeletons or corpses or something, hardcore Dark Souls poo poo.
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Sep 6, 2016 21:33
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I picked up "The New Annotated HP Lovecraft" by Leslie Klinger that came out a couple years ago. I highly recommend reading it because he sheds A LOT of light on Lovecraft, and his works.
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Sep 6, 2016 21:37
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I have a feeling that if Lovecraft were alive today, he would post on /pol/ and praise based Milo.
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Sep 6, 2016 21:45
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Mordja posted:Tangentially related, one problem I have with a bunch of Lovecraft adaptations/spinoffs is the fact that they tend to make Cthulhu and pals actively malevolent, rather than uncaring and completely, psychologically alien. To be fair there are 1 or 2 or 1000 or so of them who are complete assholes just for the sake of it, and they are all Nyarlothotep.
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Sep 6, 2016 21:48
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Lovecraft would be exactly as racist, but he'd also identify as genderfluid
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Or maybe he would NOT be racist??? What if!!
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Lovecraft would be exactly as racist, but he'd also identify as genderfluid FYAD is what I imagine Azathoth's thought process to look like.
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Dreddout posted:FYAD is what I imagine Azathoth's thought process to look like. Yeah well he IS the idiot god. Anyways if y'all like books that are really good and have some relation to 'ol Lovecraft, Jonathan L Howard writes good books like these two   Anyways the Cabal book is the 3rd one the first 2 aren't very lovecraft-y. (But are very good)
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Dreddout posted:I have a feeling that if Lovecraft were alive today, he would post on /pol/ and praise based Milo. lovecraft didn't like hitler because he thought that hitler was a buffoon he liked hitler's policies though
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Sep 6, 2016 21:54
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He is a good author. He was also a good racist. Are the two mutually exclusive? Perhaps the answer is in the middle...
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gannyGrabber posted:Or maybe he would NOT be racist??? What if!! to be fair if he wasnt racist he wouldnt have written any of the stuff that made him famous
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corn in the bible posted:to be fair if he wasnt racist he wouldnt have written any of the stuff that made him famous yeah, this
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Mordja posted:Tangentially related, one problem I have with a bunch of Lovecraft adaptations/spinoffs is the fact that they tend to make Cthulhu and pals actively malevolent, rather than uncaring and completely, psychologically alien. What about the spinoffs that make them into cute girls?
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Sep 6, 2016 22:12
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Robert E Howard and Clark Ashton Smith were better stylists imo.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:16
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I hope there's some situation where Hemingway and Lovecraft hung out or something and Hemingway just bullied the poo poo out of him
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Robert E Howard and Clark Ashton Smith were better stylists imo. Was coming in here to post this about Howard. I think he's my favorite pulp author and he's also a prototypical goon.
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He wrote for pulp fiction mags in the early 20th century, what do you think, OP? The quality in his works is all over the place, some stories are really well written and others are fanfic bad. At least when he wrote about the Mythos it felt more allegoric than literal.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:49
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Good Lovecraft is good. Bad Lovecraft is August Derleth.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:58
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is the the guy that wrote "money for nothin"?
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