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Is H. P. Lovecraft a good author?
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Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
Op you've made a lot of threads in the past few days. I'm going to have to probate you for six hours.

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
good if you delete the racist stuff which is precisely what we do with every classic american folk song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73irL7Lo4bE

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Lovecraft writes like Dr. Strange talks.

AbbadonOfHell
Jul 16, 2004
You know I would try to think of something funny to put here but ill just pass on that and threaten people with a + 2 board with a nail in it.

LegoPirateNinja posted:

good if you delete the racist stuff which is precisely what we do with every classic american folk song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73irL7Lo4bE

Yeah Ghostbusters caught his rear end, no worries now. :)

I like the one where they go on the devil's gameshow. Also Samhain was the best villain of theirs.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lovecraft believed that all lives matter

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Isn't the horror of Lovecraft the keen knowledge that life is utterly, absurdly meaningless and the universe is not only apathetic, but indirectly fatal to all those who dare plumb its secrets?

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

Hewlett Packard Lovecraft

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007

i got a dead dreaming eldergod tentacle you can rouse from its millenia of slumber, OP

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



hth posted:

i got a dead dreaming eldergod tentacle you can rouse from its millenia of slumber, OP

And with strange Viagra, even death may die?

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014

FilthyImp posted:

Lovecraft writes like Dr. Strange talks.

That's not exactly incidental.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

For those who hate Lovecraft, you should read the Dream Cycle or whatever it is. I think it's probably his most seminal work in a lot of ways--it's basically a straightforward fantasy adventure but it feels the most "personal" of his works. It's about him, and how he sees things, and it's got so much fantastic imagery, it's something that begs for a great big budget adaptation.

Lovecraft today would be a Tumblrite pure and simple. The guy loves cats and thinks they have magic powers; the main character rides a giant cat from the moon to the earth.

I imagine Lovecraft as a kind of bitter shut-in who is terminally, terribly shy. He seems to be the kind of guy literally scared of everything. He's a much more pitiable character than loathsome in my mind, he probably was never a happy soul.

yeah. pretty much. the dude was a weird neet from a white as gently caress, rich new england family and was basicaly a weird neet. I doubt he ever met a minority apart from his jewis/half jewish wife(?) . most of his racist stuff strikes me as hosed up stuff from the time period and that fact that he lived in whitey ville and never left and was afraid of everything. it doesnt exactly excuse it. but listing to wannabe tumblr dipshits try to co-opt and steal his poo poo annoyes me because the talentless fucks cant even be original. loving parasites.


natetimm posted:

Was coming in here to post this about Howard. I think he's my favorite pulp author and he's also a prototypical goon.


Borneo Jimmy posted:

Robert E Howard and Clark Ashton Smith were better stylists imo.

yeah i love howard, and he doesnt have as much racist baggage as lovecraft. (apart from the usual early 20th centry pulp lit race stuff and being a southener in the 20-30s.)

http://www.jasonsanford.com/jason/2010/09/20/robert-howard-racist
also hmm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_of_Robert_E._Howard
he was a feminist too. cool.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Sep 7, 2016

rocket_man38
Jan 23, 2006

My life is a barrel o' fun!!
Lovecraft had it out for the Puritans too. One story has a puritan who ends up being a cannibal. The moral of the story was those who are that uptight and strange have dark secrets. He also told his wife something to the effect of "I hate all Jews but you".

EDIT: Also S.T. Joshi is a good source if you want to know about Lovecraft.

rocket_man38 fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Sep 7, 2016

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014

rocket_man38 posted:

Lovecraft had it out for the Puritans too. One story has a puritan who ends up being a cannibal. The moral of the story was those who are that uptight and strange have dark secrets. He also told his wife something to the effect of "I hate all Jews but you".

EDIT: Also S.T. Joshi is a good source if you want to know about Lovecraft.

The fact that H.P. Lovecraft was pathologically anti-Semitic yet ended up marrying a Jew really tells you all you need to know about him.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Depends how racist you are

I'm

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Professor Shark posted:

Bad Author, great Ideas Guy

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

i always liked lovecraft because he kind of presented an empirical approach to the crazyness of his stories. the protagonists are professors or anthropologists or lesser sons of greater families. all well worded and rational, all approaching the nonsense with the skepticism of the disbeliever. thats a weird take, even in 2016

PyPy
Sep 13, 2004

by vyelkin
Yes, absolutely and unequivocally. His ability to paint the weird and creepy imagery in your mind with his words is cool.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Cnut the Great posted:

The fact that H.P. Lovecraft was pathologically anti-Semitic yet ended up marrying a Jew really tells you all you need to know about him.

That pussy game was eldritch.


Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:

i always liked lovecraft because he kind of presented an empirical approach to the crazyness of his stories. the protagonists are professors or anthropologists or lesser sons of greater families. all well worded and rational, all approaching the nonsense with the skepticism of the disbeliever. thats a weird take, even in 2016

What's really great, and largely ignored by the knee-jerk reactionaries, is that Lovecraft lived at the dawn of the true scientific age. Science had been relegated to sideshows from the Victorian age onwards and even as technology progressed, it wasn't until the 20th century that common people really started to get wise to science, the journeys of discovery, etc. There was a ton of optimism in that age, notions that electric power would cure all ills, flying cars, instantaneous communications--at the start of the 1900's people were keenly aware that technology was going to rapidly advance and everyone was really gung ho. It's an age of intellectualism. God may be dead, but by the light of intelligence and the scientific empiricism, ye shall be as gods.

That's where Lovecraft's take comes in. The march of science, shining a light into the darkness, reveals not progress, hope or any solutions at all--only a jibbering madness, a stupidity so acute it was fatal, a chaos so pervasive that to even be made aware of its presence was to succumb to it. God is dead. Man is an insect. The universe is vast, dark, and in the shadows of the stars and the furthest reaches of the Earth, horror lurked.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah. pretty much. the dude was a weird neet from a white as gently caress, rich new england family and was basicaly a weird neet. I doubt he ever met a minority apart from his jewis/half jewish wife(?) . most of his racist stuff strikes me as hosed up stuff from the time period and that fact that he lived in whitey ville and never left and was afraid of everything. it doesnt exactly excuse it. but listing to wannabe tumblr dipshits try to co-opt and steal his poo poo annoyes me because the talentless fucks cant even be original. loving parasites.

HPL wasn't exactly a shut in, he lived in New York for a couple of years and traveled extensively around New England on the cheap. He was definitely pretty unsociable but then again, he had a circle of friend writers in NYC and a gigantic correspondence. In many ways his behavior wasn't much different from many internet weirdoes today.

Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:

i always liked lovecraft because he kind of presented an empirical approach to the crazyness of his stories. the protagonists are professors or anthropologists or lesser sons of greater families. all well worded and rational, all approaching the nonsense with the skepticism of the disbeliever. thats a weird take, even in 2016

Yeah this is the real genius of Lovecraft and why he continues to be relevant. He himself was obsessively materialist rationalist atheist type who scorned all superstition and mysticism, but all his stories are about how the only thing science can teach us is that we are misshapen blobs of primordial ooze sloshing about in a merciless empty universe. As a result his stories have thematically aged a lot better than contemporary writers who figured science would turn us into the overman in a flying car.

Also he wrote this which is pretty funny:

quote:

As for the Republicans—how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.

Horniest Manticore
Nov 23, 2013

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The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Lovecraft's work is better and more unsettling because of the way that his racism oozes through the prose.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

8-Bit Scholar posted:

What's really great, and largely ignored by the knee-jerk reactionaries, is that Lovecraft lived at the dawn of the true scientific age. Science had been relegated to sideshows from the Victorian age onwards and even as technology progressed, it wasn't until the 20th century that common people really started to get wise to science, the journeys of discovery, etc. There was a ton of optimism in that age, notions that electric power would cure all ills, flying cars, instantaneous communications--at the start of the 1900's people were keenly aware that technology was going to rapidly advance and everyone was really gung ho. It's an age of intellectualism. God may be dead, but by the light of intelligence and the scientific empiricism, ye shall be as gods.

That's where Lovecraft's take comes in. The march of science, shining a light into the darkness, reveals not progress, hope or any solutions at all--only a jibbering madness, a stupidity so acute it was fatal, a chaos so pervasive that to even be made aware of its presence was to succumb to it. God is dead. Man is an insect. The universe is vast, dark, and in the shadows of the stars and the furthest reaches of the Earth, horror lurked.

this is kind of a digression, but you raise an interesting point. lovecraft was particularly focused on anthropology, and theres a reason he uses it the way he does. today anthropology is a super soft lib arts subject, but in like 30 some odd years leading up to lovecrafts heyday, it was a really ivy league, armchair discipline. as a result of this, it was like the main scientific driver of race relations and eugenics. it was super erudite and exclusive (at least to those on the inside), and its not weird at all he latched onto it.

edward tylor and herny lewis morgan are some okay examples of the eraly thoughts. see also, phrenology

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Good Lovecraft is good. Bad Lovecraft is August Derleth.

Good Lovecraft is Charles Stross, although he's more a mix of science fiction, humor, and Lovecraftian horror in the setting of the British civil service.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

all i know about lovecraft for a fact is that the case of charles dexter ward is too god damned long

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
One of my favorite stories by Lovecraft is "In the Walls of Eryx" which is about a smug rear end colonialist who goes on an expedition to Venus to rob the local savages of their crystals and poo poo, but it turns out the savages are probably a lot smarter than the white man and he freaks the gently caress out and dies in despair, urging people not to mess with Darkest Venus

Then the colonial company finds his body and is like "the savages must have done this, time to go all King Leopold on a motherfucker"

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He was a bad author but he had some novel ideas and on the plus side he was racist.

scuba school sucks
Aug 30, 2012

The brilliance of my posting illuminates the forums like a jar of shining gold when all around is dark

skasion posted:

One of my favorite stories by Lovecraft is "In the Walls of Eryx" which is about a smug rear end colonialist who goes on an expedition to Venus to rob the local savages of their crystals and poo poo, but it turns out the savages are probably a lot smarter than the white man and he freaks the gently caress out and dies in despair, urging people not to mess with Darkest Venus

Then the colonial company finds his body and is like "the savages must have done this, time to go all King Leopold on a motherfucker"

Was that the one with the maze with invisible walls?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

GRANNYS PEACH TEA posted:

Was that the one with the maze with invisible walls?

Yea

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free
:911::911::911:
He's OK, but he's no H.P. Hovercraft.

Haruharuharuko
Mar 24, 2008

Yeah I lied; so what is the truth?

The dude was actively scared of air conditioners. His writing style is overly technical but his idea are cool.

Rags to Liches
Mar 11, 2008

future skeleton soldier


Cnut the Great posted:

The fact that H.P. Lovecraft was pathologically anti-Semitic yet ended up marrying a Jew really tells you all you need to know about him.

He really just hated everyone who wasn't in his circle, and even then outside of Howard and Smith he probably barely tolerated the rest.

Stuff
Jan 2, 2012
No op

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Cnut the Great posted:

The fact that H.P. Lovecraft was pathologically anti-Semitic yet ended up marrying a Jew really tells you all you need to know about him.

joobs own

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Here's my opinion on Lovecraft:

My favorite Lovecraft inspired work is John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness, universally hated by Lovecraft diehards for not being Lovecraftian enough.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

quote:

I ate about 3:30—if slipping these wretched food tablets through my mask can be called eating. Soon after that I noticed a decided change in the landscape—the bright, poisonous-looking flowers shifting in colour and getting wraith-like. The outlines of everything shimmered rhythmically, and bright points of light appeared and danced in the same slow, steady tempo. After that the temperature seemed to fluctuate in unison with a peculiar rhythmic drumming.

The whole universe seemed to be throbbing in deep, regular pulsations that filled every corner of space and flowed through my body and mind alike. I lost all sense of equilibrium and staggered dizzily, nor did it change things in the least when I shut my eyes and covered my ears with my hands. However, my mind was still clear, and in a very few minutes I realised what had happened.

I had encountered at last one of those curious mirage-plants about which so many of our men told stories. Anderson had warned me of them, and described their appearance very closely—the shaggy stalk, the spiky leaves, and the mottled blossoms whose gaseous, dream-breeding exhalations penetrate every existing make of mask.

Recalling what happened to Bailey three years ago, I fell into a momentary panic, and began to dash and stagger about in the crazy, chaotic world which the plant’s exhalations had woven around me. Then good sense came back, and I realised all I need do was retreat from the dangerous blossoms; heading away from the source of the pulsations, and cutting a path blindly—regardless of what might seem to swirl around me—until safely out of the plant’s effective radius.

Although everything was spinning perilously, I tried to start in the right direction and hack my way ahead. My route must have been far from straight, for it seemed hours before I was free of the mirage-plant’s pervasive influence. Gradually the dancing lights began to disappear, and the shimmering spectral scenery began to assume the aspect of solidity. When I did get wholly clear I looked at my watch and was astonished to find that the time was only 4:20.

--H. P. "Tha Chronic" Lovecraft

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

i wish i was a lovecraft protagonist

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

my life would be so dope

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:

i wish i was a lovecraft protagonist

We are all Lovecraft protagonists

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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I think everyone goes into Lovecraft thinking "everyone was racist back then :downs:" and then a few pages in realises "Jesus Christ, Howard, what the gently caress man"

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