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trash person posted:There should absolutely be harsher penalties for intentional/dirty hits but changing the way penalties offset (I don't believe) would make any significant change to the way certain players approach their tackles. you're coming at this like it would be some onerous expensive process to change a rule in a god drat football rulebook. Who cares how minimal the benefit is? Who loses out by making that change?
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trash person posted:I wouldn't expect any significant rule changes if only because this happens so rarely. What games do you watch because the one as recently as January in Cincinnati nearly caused riots
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Pancakes by Mail posted:you're coming at this like it would be some onerous expensive process to change a rule in a god drat football rulebook. Who cares how minimal the benefit is? Who loses out by making that change? Getting the competition committee to make changes is onerous. Not that it should be but uh they like to take their time. MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:What games do you watch because the one as recently as January in Cincinnati nearly caused riots I will admit I have watched very few Bengals games !
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Pancakes by Mail posted:i don't give a gently caress about the outcome of the game. i'm a Bills fan. I'm angry that a guy getting blasted in the head doesn't matter to the league (or apparently to a lot of fans) To me (a Chiefs fan who admittedly hates the Broncos but is not attached to the Panthers) it was complete bullshit that they didn't call some of the helmet to helmet stuff, but also that they ignored all of the concussion protocols, where players are theoretically supposed to be removed from the field and evaluated after "observing a player sustain a mechanism of injury (“big hit involving the head”) that is reasonably expected to give rise to a concussion)". http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/10/10/0ap3000000553505.pdf I feel bad about loving football when the rules are enforced.
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Substandard posted:To me (a Chiefs fan who admittedly hates the Broncos but is not attached to the Panthers) it was complete bullshit that they didn't call some of the helmet to helmet stuff, but also that they ignored all of the concussion protocols, where players are theoretically supposed to be removed from the field and evaluated after "observing a player sustain a mechanism of injury (“big hit involving the head”) that is reasonably expected to give rise to a concussion)". http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/10/10/0ap3000000553505.pdf Marshall was taken off before the team doctor cleared him. Cam faked a back injury to stay in the game.
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This sets a really high bar for the Steeler/Bengals games and anything with obj in it.
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if the Steelers/Bengals game does not feature a single on-field knifing I'm gonna demand a refund
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trash person posted:Getting the competition committee to make changes is onerous. You should really checkout their last game. It was a real
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I feel like Pouncey and Pacman should just duel before the game
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FizFashizzle posted:Marshall was taken off before the team doctor cleared him. After that last hit on Cam he was clearly out of it. I call bullshit on the idea that no one thought he potentially took a big hit involving the head.
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Destoration posted:This sets a really high bar for the Steeler/Bengals games and anything with obj in it. The Cin/Pit game will not be this bad because they will flag anything and likely make multiple ejections.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:41
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Get Burfict vs Porter on the card too
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:I feel like Pouncey and Pacman should just duel before the game Pistols at the 50
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Substandard posted:After that last hit on Cam he was clearly out of it. I call bullshit on the idea that no one thought he potentially took a big hit involving the head. Seriously. That replay was clear as day. My man got speared. also moving to colorado from NC is feeling particularly painful right now
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Alaois posted:if the Steelers/Bengals game does not feature a single on-field knifing I'm gonna demand a refund The Bengals will lose as a direct consequence of this, no matter who does it.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:42
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Who gives less of a poo poo about player safety, the NFL itself or the teams? Or is it some self feeding cycle of poo poo? (It is.) There's a reason neither of my sons will play football.
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andy dalton will whip out a knife and accidentally slice into the ball, then drop the knife and it will land in his leg and he'll fall over. some linebacker will slap him on the shoulder for the sack. after the game dalton will be suspended for deflating footballs
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Eifert Posting posted:The Cin/Pit game will not be this bad because they will flag anything and likely make multiple ejections. This is wishful thinking, but it definitely needs to happen
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Eifert Posting posted:The Cin/Pit game will not be this bad because they will flag anything and likely make multiple ejections. If they played tonight it would've been a bloodfest. Since these refs just kinda went fuckit.
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trash person posted:Who gives less of a poo poo about player safety, the NFL itself or the teams? Is it because you'd make a terrible coach and they would resent you for holding them back?
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Destoration posted:If they played tonight it would've been a bloodfest. Since these refs just kinda went fuckit. If tonight is the baseline, multiple people will die by the hand of Joey Porter during the Pit/Cin game.
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timp posted:Is it because you'd make a terrible coach and they would resent you for holding them back? Yes mostly that. Also because if they suffer from CTE who is going to take care of me and give me money when I'm an old decrepit man.
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trash person posted:Who gives less of a poo poo about player safety, the NFL itself or the teams? Multiple Denver LBs were spearing Cam. It was pretty clearly encouraged by either the coaches or by players.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:48
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Eifert Posting posted:Multiple Denver LBs were spearing Cam. It was pretty clearly encouraged by either the coaches or by players. Safe money would say most of that type of behavior is the coaching staff intentionally turning a blind eye. Plausible deniability and all that. By the time that type of 'boys will be boys' culture phases out we'll all be watching dota2 instead of the NFL.
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Poonerman posted:https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/774093228429578241 having watched replays of the two H2H hits a bunch I think this one above is a lot more blatant and intentional than the one at the end of the game that everyone is upset about. The player stops running, sets up and jumps, aiming for Cam's helmet. That's incredibly clear and intentional The one at the end of the game, if Cam's arm is still up and he doesn't bend into the hit, the Bronco tackles him (with his helmet, and with his arms back, yes) in the chest. That one's launching for absolute sure, but I don't know if it's necessarily "I'm going to go for Cam's helmet". That said, it's silly that personal fouls are treated the same as technical fouls. In an offset situation, personal fouls should take precedence.
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Like, one is "Oops, while trying to play the game, I played in such a way that wasn't quite within the rules of the game" The other is "I am intentionally going to aim for someone in such a way that is impossible to interpret as good sportsmanship"
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lmao that's literally a replay of DRC whiffing on a hit
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Substandard posted:If tonight is the baseline, multiple people will die by the hand of Joey Porter during the Pit/Cin game. 
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Grittybeard posted:That's the way the rules work, although I could see an argument for a specific change where if there is roughing the quarterback on a play intentional grounding doesn't offset. Based on the idea that if you're fouling the guy throwing the ball he might not have a fair chance to throw it away. That would be a hard sell. Cam's throw was rushed because a hit was coming, to be sure, but that's true of literally almost every single intentional grounding, because if the throw isn't rushed it'll probably make it past the line of scrimmage. (And to be especially cynical here: if Cam hadn't been trying to throw the ball away, he would have protected himself against the hit better.) The right fix is to say that personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct aren't offset by anything besides other similar fouls. IIRC the offsetting rules already say that certain 5-yarders don't offset everything.
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You panther fans are terrible. You got beat twice by a team with a bad qb. Go horse face. Also the conclusion guy can call a medical timeout if they are not asleep.
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Pancakes by Mail posted:i think you will find plenty of impartial fans who are pretty disgusted with what happened, "sorry your team lost" is smarmy bullshit to pack on top of that I'm impartial (actually now that Peyton is gone, I actually dislike the Broncos more, gently caress Elway) and I don't like that they're not addressing the head trauma, but not having opposing penalties offset is kind of a slippery slope there. When do you throw out the offset? Just for headshots? And is it just intentional or unintentional as well (supposedly they're supposed to call all helmet to helmet even though they don't). Or do you just take all penalties and start figuring out how to add together their effects? Like, yeah the headshot was bad and I'd support a suspension based off of it (  ) but at the same time before the hit Cam threw the ball away in a clear intentional grounding. While one penalty is worse than the other, why does the other get a free pass? I'd say let's add them together and automatic first down beats loss of down so it'd be 5 yards and a first in that situation, but that could get complicated with other scenarios.Another option would be to keep the offsetting, but any personal foul that involves helmet to helmet means automatic ejection. You'd probably see headhunting stop fast. The worst part of last night IMO is that the team doctor apparently has the last say in whether someone can go back into the game. I doubt Marshall should've been allowed back in the game for example. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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