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Substandard posted:So on that offsetting personal foul / intentional grounding call. By that rational, is it intentional grounding every time you headshot the QB and he drops the ball while crumpling to the ground unconscious? Apparently the rules are clear on this. Which is why I could see a potential rule change going through like I said. Things just aren't set up like that now and there's really nothing to do about it until after the season at the earliest. And who am I kidding, no one in the NFL and most of us won't remember this by the time it would be addressed. (also Cam won't remember because he won't remember tonight)
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trash person posted:The being upset at the offsetting rule thing would seem more, I don't know, genuine, if half this thread wasn't people whining about the refs the entire game. if you see a dude getting blatantly smoked in the head and think it shouldn't be penalized because the dude didn't also manage the throw the ball far enough, i can't help you
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wyoak posted:no that would be a fumble I guess you're right, It would be hard to drill him in the head while his arm has barely started moving forward.
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Pancakes by Mail posted:if you see a dude getting blatantly smoked in the head and think it shouldn't be penalized because the dude didn't also manage the throw the ball far enough, i can't help you I did not say it shouldn't be penalized, I said people spending the entire game blaming their loss on the refs makes this a boy who cried wolf situation.
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trash person posted:I did not say it shouldn't be penalized, I said people spending the entire game blaming their loss on the refs makes this a boy who cried wolf situation. I dunno I saw the ref try to tackle Cam a few times, I think they were improperly impacting the game.
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Grittybeard posted:Which is why I could see a potential rule change going through like I said. Things just aren't set up like that now and there's really nothing to do about it until after the season at the earliest.
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trash person posted:I said people spending the entire game blaming their loss on the refs makes this a boy who cried wolf situation. 
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trash person posted:I did not say it shouldn't be penalized, I said people spending the entire game blaming their loss on the refs makes this a boy who cried wolf situation. Almost all those no calls were egregiously bad, so no. Please stfu
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Also if Gano makes the kick, it's the helmet to helmet that wins the game for Carolina and maybe we aren't talking about this the same way
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wyoak posted:Also if Gano makes the kick, it's the helmet to helmet that wins the game for Carolina and maybe we aren't talking about this the same way If he makes the kick we'd be saying the same things, except it would be "they won despite..." instead of "they lost because..."
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wyoak posted:Also if Gano makes the kick, it's the helmet to helmet that wins the game for Carolina and maybe we aren't talking about this the same way No, even if Gano made the kick it was still bullshit that trying to injure a player is offset by the ball not going far enough
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wyoak posted:Also if Gano makes the kick, it's the helmet to helmet that wins the game for Carolina and maybe we aren't talking about this the same way It's almost as if the outcome of a game will color the perception of a team's fans. jk as the previous few posters have indicated The Fix was In the Refs Lost the Game for the Panthers.
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I still would want fines delivered even if Gano makes the kick.
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trash person posted:I did not say it shouldn't be penalized, I said people spending the entire game blaming their loss on the refs makes this a boy who cried wolf situation. I'm not blaming this loss on the refs, because we were still in a position to win even with bad calls and missed a kick. I'm pretty sure I even said the Panthers have things to work on! I spent most of the game bitching about our secondary, for example. But yes, the officiating was also terrible. The Panthers not being able to close and the refs being a total joke are things that are allowed to be simultaneously true.
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trash person posted:It's almost as if the outcome of a game will color the perception of a team's fans. 
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GenericMartini posted:I still would want fines delivered even if Gano makes the kick.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:19
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trash person posted:It's almost as if the outcome of a game will color the perception of a team's fans. I had no vested interest in either team winning that game Shut the gently caress up
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fsif posted:Ban anyone that starts a post with "it's almost as if..." forumwide No no no its totes ok that the nfl says they care about player safety, and then let one of their superstars almost die on the field
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Sep 9, 2016 05:23
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I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer (I don't really see how it would)
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Sep 9, 2016 05:24
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A personal foul should have priority over a foul common to the game. Bam problem solved
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wyoak posted:I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer (I don't really see how it would) I believe the presumption behind changing the rule would be to further discourage the act. As in, if a helmet to helmet hit always takes precedence over any other penalty, then players would be less likely to do it.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:26
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wyoak posted:I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer and I don't really see how it would If a penalty that causes deliberate harm to another player is graded most harshly, yes it would influence what players do. Like, I get you are doing this pissbaby week 1 newbie bullshit for laughs but yes the safety of players does matter regardless of team
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Oberst posted:A personal foul should have priority over a foul common to the game. Bam problem solved Mel Mudkiper posted:If a penalty that causes deliberate harm to another player is graded most harshly, yes it would influence what players do.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I had no vested interest in either team winning that game Most the people decrying it don't. I mean Panther fans are as well but that don't mean poo poo with context.
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wyoak posted:I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer (I don't really see how it would) Not to say that it would be a bad thing to change the rule but it would be a cosmetic change at best. You know that hit still would have happened even without the intentional grounding call the way the game was going.
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wyoak posted:I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer (I don't really see how it would) I think there is actually a system where they grade penalties, it is just lovely. Like a 5-yard penalty and a 15-yard penalty can't offset and the 15 is enforced. Grounding is a spot foul though, and therefore doesn't apply. NFL rules are bad and dumb
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wyoak posted:What problem are you solving though, it's not a player safety thing No, but Stewart did know the worst that what would happen is a 15 yard penalty and some pocket change
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wyoak posted:What problem are you solving though, it's not a player safety thing The foul precedence problem. Helmet to helmet isn't going away unless there's a total culture shift. I'm ignoring player safety like the nfl
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I wouldn't expect any significant rule changes if only because this happens so rarely. In fact in the decade I've been watching football I can't remember watching a game where this specific problem came up.
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trash person posted:I wouldn't expect any significant rule changes if only because this happens so rarely. Stop posting here
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wyoak posted:I guess the question is would changing the offsetting rule in favor or something where we grade penalties make the game any safer (I don't really see how it would) Oh you must have missed the previous post I made. I think offsetting penalties is generally fine, if maddening at times (also I think by rule there are already a few situations where a 5 yard penalty will be ignored in favor of a personal foul). Specifically in the situation a quarterback is roughed on a play I think there's a decent argument that grounding should not be called because the quarterback may not have had a fair opportunity to legally throw the ball away. But again, I'd be really surprised if this was a talking point by the time the rules committee meets. The situation would have to happen in a playoff game or something.
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Oberst posted:Stop posting here
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wyoak posted:Also if Gano makes the kick, it's the helmet to helmet that wins the game for Carolina and maybe we aren't talking about this the same way there were no less than five instances of it throughout the game, and that's just off the top of my head. it didn't just happen on the final drive. them targeting Cam wasn't even the most blatant offense, either. the tackle in the first half on benjamin, when the DB just dove right into the back of his surgically repaired knee, was the worst.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:No, but Stewart did know the worst that what would happen is a 15 yard penalty and some pocket change
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trash person posted:It's almost as if the outcome of a game will color the perception of a team's fans. i don't give a gently caress about the outcome of the game. i'm a Bills fan. I'm angry that a guy getting blasted in the head doesn't matter to the league (or apparently to a lot of fans)
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Mel Mudkiper posted:No, but Stewart did know the worst that what would happen is a 15 yard penalty and some pocket change There should absolutely be harsher penalties for intentional/dirty hits but changing the way penalties offset (I don't believe) would make any significant change to the way certain players approach their tackles.
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Admiral Bosch posted:i want to die Death comes for us all, friend Sooner for Cam because he got cheapshotted to hell all night
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