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spotlessd posted:lol thank god its not your job to educate anyone See, I calculated out the chances of a useful conversation versus whining of various kinds... And I guessed correctly, would you look at that! You gonna say I've been triggered next?
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Sep 15, 2016 18:53
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spotlessd posted:I would be very interested to hear what you think "opposing rape culture" actually looks like in practice. Let's get the War on Rape started! Anything other than fawning, unconditional adulation of Effectronica and his florid vocabulary is rape culture. Or, it might be a mistake to couple social and economic issues so tightly in classification. The gay-rights movement is best characterized by a desire to be left alone to do as one wishes, which translated to economics is a very neoliberal ('conservative,' in US political taxonomy) principle.
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Sep 15, 2016 18:54
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Ocrassus posted:A key challenge for the left is to bring the white working class back to the fold in struggling for a more equitable society. The key problem is that you're not interested in what these people think or want. You want the votes but you don't want to change your own politics. By and large the academic left isn't even interested in pretending to listen to the people whose support they want. quote:It would be a shame if the origination of a future left wing government was due to racial and age demographic shifts dragging the remaining opposition kicking and screaming into a better society. It would be better if we could find a way to adjust the messaging, strategy of attitudes of the left in some way to accommodate those disaffected whilst still retaining the principles of equality and tolerance. See? You did it again. "Kicking and screaming into a better society". The people you want to drag have their own ideas what constitute a better society and they conflict with yours.
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Sep 15, 2016 18:57
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TheImmigrant posted:Anything other than fawning, unconditional adulation of Effectronica and his florid vocabulary is rape culture. You're still mad about me knowing the word "primogeniture"? Anyways, a good way to combat the normalization of rape would be a concerted assault against sex tourism and other related industries which convince people the natural form of sexuality is men exploiting women.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:11
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Brainiac Five posted:You're still mad about me knowing the word "primogeniture"? Not nearly as mad as you are impressed with yourself for having memorized everything in the dictionary between 'prick' and 'puerile.' quote:Anyways, a good way to combat the normalization of rape would be a concerted assault against sex tourism and other related industries which convince people the natural form of sexuality is men exploiting women. Agreed. Next!
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Sep 15, 2016 19:19
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Brainiac Five posted:You're still mad about me knowing the word "primogeniture"? Sex work is work like any other and is exploitative only by virtue of existing within or adjacent to a capitalist framework of labour relations. Sex work in its current form normalizes rape in the same way that capitalism's exploitation of the proletariat normalizes and legitimizes theft. You can't stamp out a black market through prohibition and if people seriously want to put to bed the social ills created by an unregulated underground sex work industry they should instead decriminalise, legalise and regulate such industries for the better safety and working conditions of the workforce.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:20
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TomViolence posted:Sex work is work like any other and is exploitative only by virtue of existing within or adjacent to a capitalist framework of labour relations. Sex work in its current form normalizes rape in the same way that capitalism's exploitation of the proletariat normalizes and legitimizes theft. You can't stamp out a black market through prohibition and if people seriously want to put to bed the social ills created by an unregulated underground sex work industry they should instead decriminalise, legalise and regulate such industries for the better safety and working conditions of the workforce. Also might want to pair that with a universal minimum income to help alleviate the economic pressures that push people (disproportionately more minority and LGBT fyi) into selling their services in a dangerous and degrading situation.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:44
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TomViolence posted:Sex work is work like any other and is exploitative only by virtue of existing within or adjacent to a capitalist framework of labour relations. Sex work in its current form normalizes rape in the same way that capitalism's exploitation of the proletariat normalizes and legitimizes theft. You can't stamp out a black market through prohibition and if people seriously want to put to bed the social ills created by an unregulated underground sex work industry they should instead decriminalise, legalise and regulate such industries for the better safety and working conditions of the workforce. No, we should not treat child prostitution and adult prostitution identically. Not all forms of sex work are morally neutral and some of them must be crushed with revolutionary furor. Sex tourism, which is ultimately a means for sadsacks of all ages and professions as varied as immigration lawyers and executive vice presidents to simulate virility, is fundamentally tied into exploitation.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:54
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Brainiac Five posted:No, we should not treat child prostitution and adult prostitution identically. Not all forms of sex work are morally neutral and some of them must be crushed with revolutionary furor. Sex tourism, which is ultimately a means for sadsacks of all ages and professions as varied as immigration lawyers and executive vice presidents to simulate virility, is fundamentally tied into exploitation. Something tells me he didn't say or mean the bolded above, something also tells me that you're not going to slow down or give his ideas a fair shake.
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Sep 15, 2016 19:56
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Grognan posted:Something tells me he didn't say or mean the bolded above, something also tells me that you're not going to slow down or give his ideas a fair shake. He said that prohibition doesn't work and we should always legalize. It's hosed up for a socialist to support child labor and child molestation inadvertently but that's what happens when you let slogans substitute for thought. 
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Sep 15, 2016 20:04
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TomViolence posted:if people seriously want to put to bed the social ills created by an unregulated underground sex work industry they should instead decriminalise, legalise and regulate such industries for the better safety and working conditions of the workforce. Brainiac Five posted:He said that prohibition doesn't work and we should always legalize. It's hosed up for a socialist to support child labor and child molestation inadvertently but that's what happens when you let slogans substitute for thought. Y'all don't read so good, do you?
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Sep 15, 2016 20:06
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TheImmigrant posted:Y'all don't read so good, do you? I dunno whether the syphilis has spread to your brain or what, but I'm glad you're starting to defend what you did in the Golden Triangle and the Gulf.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:11
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Brainiac Five posted:No, we should not treat child prostitution and adult prostitution identically. Not all forms of sex work are morally neutral and some of them must be crushed with revolutionary furor. Sex tourism, which is ultimately a means for sadsacks of all ages and professions as varied as immigration lawyers and executive vice presidents to simulate virility, is fundamentally tied into exploitation. You're projecting hard.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:13
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Is there a name for intentionally fabricating and misstating your opponent's position so you don't have to actually engage or say anything of substance beside accusing someone of being racist, sexist, or anti-semitic? Like, we're quoting what you are responding to and in no way did he say what you said he did.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:17
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"Being Effectronica?" Seriousy, even in good faith, what part of 'regulated sex work industry' says 'sanctioned child prostitution' to you? 
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Sep 15, 2016 20:18
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Liquid Communism posted:"Being Effectronica?" Oh poo poo, that makes a lot more sense now. Forgot he got his main banned.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:19
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Grognan posted:Is there a name for intentionally fabricating and misstating your opponent's position so you don't have to actually engage or say anything of substance beside accusing someone of being racist, sexist, or anti-semitic? He said that prohibition doesn't work, and all sex work should be legal. Child prostitution is sex work. I'm not surprised people who care a lot about catering to the white working class are so desperate to preserve prostitution they inadvertently say vile things, but there's no need to coddle you.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:24
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Brainiac Five posted:He said that prohibition doesn't work, and all sex work should be legal. Child prostitution is sex work. I'm not surprised people who care a lot about catering to the white working class are so desperate to preserve prostitution they inadvertently say vile things, but there's no need to coddle you. I'm not surprised that you read a paragraph arguing that sex work should be regulated, and instantly assumed that child sex would be permitted. E:Without even skipping a beat. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Sep 15, 2016 20:27
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Brainiac Five posted:He said that prohibition doesn't work, and all sex work should be legal. Child prostitution is sex work. I'm not surprised people who care a lot about catering to the white working class are so desperate to preserve prostitution they inadvertently say vile things, but there's no need to coddle you. Liquid Communism posted:"Being Effectronica?" Stupid or dishonest? or stupid AND dishonest? How can you conflate regulation with "all sex work should be legal"? Get angry now, son. Dole out some DEATH on the comedy board.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:28
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Brainiac Five posted:He said that prohibition doesn't work, and all sex work should be legal. Child prostitution is sex work. I'm not surprised people who care a lot about catering to the white working class are so desperate to preserve prostitution they inadvertently say vile things, but there's no need to coddle you. Your reading comprehension has somehow gotten even worse, if that is possible.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:28
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Brainiac Five posted:He said that prohibition doesn't work, and all sex work should be legal. Child prostitution is sex work. I'm not surprised people who care a lot about catering to the white working class are so desperate to preserve prostitution they inadvertently say vile things, but there's no need to coddle you. Given he said to regulate sex work, that usually applies laws to it and he sure as poo poo did not also say "and I want existing consent laws to not apply to this field at all" I think you are making poo poo up in order to discredit what he said without actually addressing it. Grognan fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Sep 15, 2016 20:28
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The Kingfish posted:I'm not surprised that you read a paragraph saying that sex work should be regulated, and instantly assume that child sex work will be permitted. I am surprised your parents didn't finish the job after they smothered you with a pillow. Perhaps it was pity that kept them from it.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:29
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Why don't y'all get the pleasure centers of your brain scarified so you don't have to pay for sex anymore, no longer wanting it?
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Sep 15, 2016 20:31
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Grognan posted:making poo poo up in order to discredit what he said without actually addressing it. If only this was some sort of common fallacy that could be recognized and discouraged by some sort of moderator or moderators.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:32
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I like the thought that prohibiting something works if you say that you're "regulating" it. I get that youse guys are frightened of the prospect that you might have to take care of your appearances and adjust your hideous personalities, but sucks to be you.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:43
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Brainiac Five posted:Why don't y'all get the pleasure centers of your brain scarified so you don't have to pay for sex anymore, no longer wanting it? I really haven't been able to pin down your position on much so far. How would you state your own position? It looks like there's a lot you certainly have objections to but I can't tell what exactly you think we should be doing.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:47
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Grognan posted:I really haven't been able to pin down your position on much so far. How would you state your own position? It looks like there's a lot you certainly have objections to but I can't tell what exactly you think we should be doing. You personally? Sitting at home on a chair breathing quietly and generally avoiding doing anything.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:48
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Let's review: my initial post was that certain types of sex work should be banned. TomViolence disagreed, saying all sex work should be legalized because banning it didn't work. Then a bunch of middle-aged white straight men started blubbering and crying and making a real pitiful spectacle out of themselves.
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Sep 15, 2016 20:50
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Brainiac Five posted:Let's review: my initial post was that certain types of sex work should be banned. I salute for your bold and controversial stance, and also for the specificity with which you put yourself on the line. Bravo. No, bravissimo!
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Sep 15, 2016 20:54
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TheImmigrant posted:I salute for your bold and controversial stance, and also for the specificity with which you put yourself on the line. You would think a man pushing 50 or whatever your age is this week would be able to figure out how to use the quote function. Sad!
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Sep 15, 2016 20:55
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Man if Brainiac Five is what passes for "academic left", I think they've provided the best example for why reconciliation might be hard. An approach of harm reduction or out-right regulation for a black market industry who's workers are economically pressured by systemic issues is met with malicious misstatement and every ad-hominem toss-away that could be used.
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Sep 15, 2016 21:02
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Grognan posted:Man if Brainiac Five is what passes for "academic left", I think they've provided the best example for why reconciliation might be hard. Pretending that all sex work is identical is a good example of the kind of malicious misuse of leftist positions by idiots which necessitates regular purges.
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Sep 15, 2016 21:07
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Pretending that peopled on the opposing side of a discussion are clearly advocating legalised pedophilia, or are racists for disagreeing is why the working class considers your views unpalatable.
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Liquid Communism posted:Pretending that peopled on the opposing side of a discussion are clearly advocating legalised pedophilia, or are racists for disagreeing is why the working class considers your views unpalatable. I have said neither of those things. You are doing what you accuse me of. This is called hypocrisy. In theory, if you had a soul and a brain and didn't obsess about some random dipshit on a website who returns punches instead of pretending discussion is possible long after it has become apparent that a guy squeaking about "the Che Brigade" is not interested in a meeting of the minds, you might learn from this experience, and grow as a person.
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Sep 15, 2016 21:23
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Brainiac Five posted:Pretending that all sex work is identical is a good example of the kind of malicious misuse of leftist positions by idiots which necessitates regular purges. You are the only person that brought child prostitution into it. No one here is in favor of it. Nobody. You made this about child prostitution because you can't handle someone actually trying to look at a very real problem that's ignored because it is really inconvenient for a centrist liberal's position to acknowledge. Some how, there are other countries where prostitution as a field has unions and legitimate legal and labor protections. A marginalized group is better protected and has a better balance of power in society than simply being swept under the table and ignored. Is that un-progressive? It seems that the only way for you to have a position on this is to intimate that your opponent is for child prostitution. I'm pretty sure they make a pill for that now.
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I like the thought that if someone disagrees with your willfully stupid attitude towards politics they're obviously some snooty haute bourgeois academic with a couple degrees after their name. You're obviously extremely invested in the belief that you must be right.
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Sep 15, 2016 21:27
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Grognan posted:You are the only person that brought child prostitution into it. And in those countries, people involved in sex work are still disproportionately ethnic minorities, LGBT, and women. The approach you're endorsing, which is in fact a reformist liberal one, doesn't solve the problem. Not to mention that your entire argument is based on a refusal to think, but rather dull ourselves and rely totally on the bestial phenomena of "common sense" and the gut. To be quite honest, forfeiting thinking should be a package deal with forfeiting breathing. You have the capacity, and you cannot refuse it. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Beginning to think that you actually don't have a leg to stand on if all you can do is fabricate a position that noone took, scoff that it is took much time to actually address, and then ad-hominem anyone that points the former out. Doubly so if you're poo poo posting to shut down discussion of actual problems that people are talking about because you don't have an answer that isn't an insult. Brainiac Five posted:And in those countries, people involved in sex work are still disproportionately ethnic minorities, LGBT, and women. The approach you're endorsing, which is in fact a reformist liberal one, doesn't solve the problem. Not to mention that your entire argument is based on a refusal to think, but rather dull ourselves and rely totally on the bestial phenomena of "common sense" and the gut. To be quite honest, forfeiting thinking should be a package deal with forfeiting breathing. You have the capacity, and you cannot refuse it. I even pointed this out when I said labor protections disproportionately help those disadvantaged and economically pressured into the sex trade. You just did it again. You constructed what my argument was based on out of whole cloth and then asked me to commit suicide. No poo poo it doesn't "solve" for whatever nebulous goal solving sex work is, but it can be addressed and treated. Grognan fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Grognan posted:Beginning to think that you actually don't have a leg to stand on if all you can do is fabricate a position that noone took, scoff that it is took much time to actually address, and then ad-hominem anyone that points the former out. Good. I'm glad to hear it. If I were writing posts that appealed to you and you found pleasant, that would be a cause for worry. It is cool how you avoid responding to any actual position I propose, like "banning something doesn't magically become something else if you call it 'regulating'" or "your policy proposal has not addressed many issues and is not actually radical." I'm beginning to suspect you have a carcinogenic (this means "causes cancer", theImmigrant) mixture of malevolence and stupidity.
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