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Coffee And Pie posted:I loved the "stop being so likable" line near the end. Like yeah that guy was a weirdo who fetishized black culture, but he seemed genuinely aware of cultural appropriation and that kinda stuff, like he was kind of aware of his privilege. It would have been to easy to have him dropping casual n-words like he actually thought he was black. That quote especially reminded me of the whole 2014 grammy Macklemore text fiasco. Even if you have the best of intentions it can get very weird very quickly.
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Veskit posted:I don't really have perspective on this, but for white people is this show empathetic enough for yall to get it, or is it just a different kind of experience do you think? Like was the part where Earn had no interest in Africa confusing, understanding or what? I got it, especially since I could empathize with Earn seeing his race being used as a hobby and the notion being grating or possibly even offensive. I think the line Earn gave to Craig summed up his not knowing where in Africa he came from well- "There was this thing called slavery.", which combined with a possible general lack of interest in where he came from, had both slipped Craig's mind in his excitement. The only way I can tangentially relate to it is I've seen people regardless of race not have much interest in their heritage; then, there are those who use it when it's convenient. I have a friend who had no interest in her Jewish heritage (I'd known her since 1995 and neither she nor her family ever mentioned it in conversation, so I didn't know until last year) until she found out she was running out of time for a free Birthright trip to Israel, at which point she became Jewish (in name only) as a means to satisfy her wanderlust. She uses it more as a souvenir at this point than anything else ("look, I made my name on Instagram in Hebrew and got a tattoo which I hope doesn't say 'I'm a dumbass' because I can't read the language!"). I think the thing I like the most about this show (and Black Jesus, which seems like a lighter, less serious version of this) is while I can't directly relate to what they're doing and where they've been, all the main characters are sympathetic as hell and you like them so well you want them to succeed. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Vegetable posted:It's like that last episode with the feminist prof. She's not the caricature most comedies would deploy. This show embraces complexity and that's what's giving it its unique voice. The moment she and Paperboi found common ground in freedom of speech made that episode for me
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It felt clear to me from how the show portrayed it that within the context of the episode the idea of an American black person going to Africa was more something a white person idealising/otherising black people and black culture would think of than just a regular black person living their life. And especially with the idea of not knowing their actual roots due to slavery it comes off as thoughtless and amusing. I really liked the writing for that character, as mentioned previously he does seem genuinely aware of his privilege but is almost rubbing his empathy in everyone's face. The slam poem was perhaps a bit much but it was funny as hell so it worked imo. I love this show
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He would make for a great character on The Good Place. Well intentioned but a total weirdo.
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youre not aware of your privilege at all if youre holding a juneteenth ball in a wannabe plantation house staffed with all black servers wearing tuxes while work songs are sung by guys dressed up as slaves and youre reciting slam poetry about white oppression and youre white as hell. not to mention the slave ship buffet lol the whole point of the episode seemed to me that these people were celebrating the abolition of slavery by basically roleplaying as antebellum planter aristocrats it was a pretty good take on southern high society bullshit Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:The only way I can tangentially relate to it is I've seen people regardless of race not have much interest in their heritage; then, there are those who use it when it's convenient. I have a friend who had no interest in her Jewish heritage (I'd known her since 1995 and neither she nor her family ever mentioned it in conversation, so I didn't know until last year) until she found out she was running out of time for a free Birthright trip to Israel, at which point she became Jewish (in name only) as a means to satisfy her wanderlust. She uses it more as a souvenir at this point than anything else ("look, I made my name on Instagram in Hebrew and got a tattoo which I hope doesn't say 'I'm a dumbass' because I can't read the language!").
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:youre not aware of your privilege at all if youre holding a juneteenth ball in a wannabe plantation house staffed with all black servers wearing tuxes while work songs are sung by guys dressed up as slaves and youre reciting slam poetry about white oppression and youre white as hell. not to mention the slave ship buffet lol The loving Cocktail list had me dead. Anyone have a screen cap of that list?
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Dexo posted:The loving Cocktail list had me dead. Anyone have a screen cap of that list? 
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Those are the exact cocktails a "woke" white dude would have at a Juneteenth get together.
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Veskit posted:I don't really have perspective on this, but for white people is this show empathetic enough for yall to get it, or is it just a different kind of experience do you think? Like was the part where Earn had no interest in Africa confusing, understanding or what? The show very clearly has specific experiences and references that I don't/can't personally relate to, but it's empathetic as hell and the themes are almost always universal to everyday human struggles and joys and banalities kind of poo poo. I'm a white history phd student who mostly focuses on African American experiences and I've met that white guy way too many times in my field at conferences and workshops. He is like the worst nightmare of how I might ever be perceived. That guy is way more prevalent in anthropology or English than history, though.
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I like how a couple are also badly named drinks even aside from the puns. Underground Rumroad doesn't have rum in it. 40 Acres and a Moscow Mule has vodka but no ginger beer, which is the defining ingredient of a mule.
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"Wait, why do you have your sister's underwear?" Appreciated that the rich wife obliviously dropped the T-word and her husband cringed.
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Oct 27, 2016 22:49
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Paperboi has the best facial expressions.
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CBJSprague24 posted:"Season Finale". Jerkface posted:At one point she says something like "thanks mom" "Thanks, Mon."
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I'm a white guy that grew up going to an all-black high school. My dad went to an all-black high school before me. My best friend is black. My current girlfriend and my previous girlfriend are both black. I've seen that white guy too many times. It's cringe worthy but at the same time his intentions are good. The whole not wanting to go to Africa thing is pretty obvious though. My ancestors are from Syria, I sure as hell ain't going there. I do work in a South African restaurant though and I get a kick out of telling people my white chef is African-American.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:45
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Chris Knight posted:Hell no. 30 minute episodes keeps the writing tight. Agreed. I think an hour (or 45 min, whatever) would draw it out a bit too much.
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I've been looking online for those bars that Paper Boi spit at Alfred in the club. Frankly, if there was a mix tape out there with those bars, it WOULD be the hottest poo poo on the street.
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The podcast About Race discussed this show on its latest episode and it gets to a lot of the questions about the show's tone, style, identity, etc. Give it a listen. (also subscribe to it because it's great and funny and super insightful)
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Dead Snoopy posted:I've been looking online for those bars that Paper Boi spit at Alfred in the club. Most of the song's on the show are Donald Glover's. You can tell it's him when the Paper Boi song is playing during the credits at the end of the first episode. And the Justin Beiber song is Glover singing. So I'm guessing all these songs will show up on his next album or he'll release a soundtrack when the season ends.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExVtrghW5Y4&t=105s (really hope you're right) MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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Daric posted:Most of the song's on the show are Donald Glover's. You can tell it's him when the Paper Boi song is playing during the credits at the end of the first episode. And the Justin Beiber song is Glover singing. So I'm guessing all these songs will show up on his next album or he'll release a soundtrack when the season ends. It's actually Donald's brother that raps the Paper Boi songs.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It's actually Donald's brother that raps the Paper Boi songs. Is it really? They sound exactly the same, that's amazing
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Daric posted:Is it really? They sound exactly the same, that's amazing That's what Brian Tyree Henry said
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So like where's the line for white people appreciating black culture? Couple Ta-Nehisi Coates books on the bookshelf but maybe no slave ship buffet platters?
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prom candy posted:So like where's the line for white people appreciating black culture? Couple Ta-Nehisi Coates books on the bookshelf but maybe no slave ship buffet platters? I think not condescendingly white-splaining about black people TO black people is a reasonable line.
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prom candy posted:So like where's the line for white people appreciating black culture? Couple Ta-Nehisi Coates books on the bookshelf but maybe no slave ship buffet platters? Don't act like you loving get it
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prom candy posted:So like where's the line for white people appreciating black culture? Couple Ta-Nehisi Coates books on the bookshelf but maybe no slave ship buffet platters? Carlton Banks is the blackest you can act. Anything beyond that is verboten
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Carlton Banks is the blackest you can act. Anything beyond that is verboten i wish i could dance like him
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"Atlanta: 'Free chicken sandwich day, nigga.'" (Nelly' Ride Wit Me plays) "Yo, this Beyonce's best song!". Going to be a long 42 weeks.  E- The dynamic between Earn and Vanessa is one of the best things about this show. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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What if we just found out that Ja Rule was a dog the whole time?  Edit: this was a real good episode altogether Coffee And Pie fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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This is a good show and I hope the quality can continue, and strike a balance between message, story, and weirdness. I still can't thank my high school friend enough for giving me his ATLiens CD way back. Just some clueless boys way up near the mountains in  .
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Man if Van told me I could stay the night my rear end would never leave
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This whole series has been fantastic. I'll say that comparisons such as "Twin Peaks with rappers" or "Spike Lee directed Eyes wide Shut" are doing it a diservice though, if this show has one defining quality is that it's totally it's own thing. It borrows a bit from the Louie sales pitch (as a light story-driven comedy that feels lived in and based on honest personal experiences) but is there anything you can really compare it to? With the year marked by the very derivative Stranger Things, it's really refreshing to watch Atlanta, never know what to expect from its plot or its characters, and still feel incredibly satisfied by the overall quality of the whole show. With Dong Lover playing some superhero sidekick soon I hope they can keep up with that quality next season (and get a longer running length, some episodes feel like they could have been way longer than 25 mns).
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White Rabbit posted:"Spike Lee directed Eyes wide Shut" thats a quote from the show, no ones comparing it to eyes wide shut lol
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That makes more sense actually. I think "Twin Peaks with rappers" is how the creators themselves described the show though. Well it got me interested in it for some reason, but I'm glad it turned out another way. Invisible cars and nutella sandwiches, not loving murder mysteries with no pay-offs.
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Oh poo poo, there's no reason to attack Twin Peaks and Stranger Things just to say you like Atlanta. I do agree though that there is nothing like this show.
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Daric posted:Man if Van told me I could stay the night my rear end would never leave That storage unit looked prettttttty tight though.
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