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Will this chapter make me hate Gohda less? I kind of don't hope so, he's just awful.
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So all of the envelopes found so far are opened, yes?
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Nov 2, 2016 20:32
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It says there are only 5 master keys. It was never said (in red) that there was only one key to Jessica's room.
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Nov 8, 2016 20:20
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Is it lying if they're unaware? For all we know, Jessica got a second key made herself. The point isn't whether it's logical or probable, the point is that it's possible.
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Nov 8, 2016 21:33
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Killed vs died... are we really going to have to nitpick the witch's words so closely? How troublesome.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:05
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Well. I do actually like Gohda some, now. Good for him, defending Shannon.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:11
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She's also the only woman wearing pants. Conspiracy??
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Nov 17, 2016 01:55
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Wow, Beatrice must have really, really loved Kinzo. And then she felt betrayed by him... and became so vengeful. That seems like it's gotta be it, but... for the truth to be so visible so early, there's gotta be something else going on.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:21
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Nov 22, 2016 01:04
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SardonicTyrant posted:The second twilight is the one about the two lovers being torn apart. Or something to that extant. The killer has been sorta doing the ritual out of order. The profile literally says he was the sixth twilight. Are two different people writing the profiles?
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Nov 22, 2016 02:20
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All Genji wants is... a peaceful sleep? All he wants is to die? I guess we should probably consider Kinzo's lost love an unknown, but if it's not just Beatrice, that would be. Rather surprising.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:10
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Are the first four episodes seriously going to have the four different mothers surviving until the end because that sounds amazing
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Nov 30, 2016 04:02
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The second Kyrie survives past the first twilight, this is gonna get real interesting.
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Dec 4, 2016 05:34
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Glazius posted:The tarot never even gets to 22, Kinzo. The hell are you talking about 24? he's talking about a clock
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Dec 11, 2016 19:52
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The most interesting thing in their was Ronove calling Genji his servant.
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Dec 13, 2016 00:11
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What the actual gently caress
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Dec 14, 2016 06:30
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CottonWolf posted:On the tenth twilight, the journey ends, and you shall reach the Home of the Gold. Beatrice is the golden witch, so it's possible that the Gold refers to her?
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Dec 20, 2016 03:10
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CottonWolf posted:In that village, look for the shore the two speak of. "the two" is used in both of these passages as well, but... who is speaking/telling of the shore, in the first?
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Dec 20, 2016 03:25
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Alternatively, "the home of the gold" could be extremely literal: where the gold is.
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Dec 20, 2016 03:52
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CottonWolf posted:It seems that who ever speculated "the Gold" was Beatrice was on the money. It's literally Beatrice's home by the looks of things. Thinking about the "once and for the last time", that never really came up. So, speculation based on my initial thoughts on it. Thank you!  But what we really get from this is... there's two homes of Beatrice, right? This room, and the mansion out in the forest somewhere. Now Rosa's seen both, so she can confirm whether they're the same or different. But if we operate under the assumption that they're different, then I think we can piece together a little bit more. Especially if we look back at Virgilia. We've seen two people named Beatrice, correct? The older, and the younger. Are(/were) they both real people? Young Beatrice was confirmed by Rosa. Kinzo is probably the only one who could confirm the older one... but what if this is Beatrice the elder's room?
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Dec 21, 2016 21:59
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Jeek posted:Thinking back to earlier in the episode, it is heavily implied that there were two human Beatrices, with one of them being Kinzo's original mistress and the other being her rape kid ok, hold on a second. yes, Kinzo sucks. But does anyone know what a mistress is? Because it's not, like, a woman that you rape sometimes. That's not how mistresses work. And there's nothing pointing towards original Beatrice having committed suicide, either. Kinzo's a poo poo person but maybe he didn't rape a woman and drive her to suicide???
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Dec 23, 2016 23:48
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. So maybe we can assume that the gold-storage room is where Kinzo locked up the first Beatrice, and the mansion being where the second one was raised after her mother's suicide?
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Dec 27, 2016 21:05
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Can someone who is already spoiled bring up some relevant Kyrie art? I think I want an avatar of her at this point but I can't go looking.
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Dec 28, 2016 21:36
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I feel like Battler more means in this specific board. Beato is the opponent in general, but on this board... Evatrice is behind everything Battler is furious about. So he wants to crush her here.
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Jan 5, 2017 00:47
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 whaaaat and Battler's... looks like it's implying that Eva and Battler found Nanjo's corpse, and then Eva killed Battler assuming he was the murderer instead of Jessica? curiousCat fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Okay. I think there's a way to put this scenario together. If we combine theories we've already been floating around here. Everything except for... whatever those numbers are. Whatever a "small golden land" is. Let's separate out the twilights. First Twilight: All the servants and Kinzo die. ("die"? Shannon and Kanon are listed under their pseudonyms, whereas the other three are not) Second Twilight: Rosa and Maria die. Fourth-Sixth Twilights: Rudolf, Hideyoshi, and Kyrie die (in that order, if the order of the Twilights in the credits is correct). Seventh-Eighth Twilights: Krauss and Natsuhi die (again, in that order.) Ninth Twilight: George, Nanjo, and Battler die. Jessica goes missing. ???: Eva leaves the island. So let's look at this again. First Twilight: Four people definitely die. But let's just say two don't, Shannon and Kanon. I think Shannon said her name was Sayo to George at one point, but Kanon refused to reveal his? I'm just going to say S and K for right now, though. So S and K fake their deaths, and I guess Nanjo by default has to be an accomplice here. Kinzo is probably also sort of an accomplice but he dies instantly, so I'm not gonna worry about that. So S, K, and Nanjo fake the locked room cycle somehow. If two people aren't actually dead, then it's not very difficult. So that's this one explained. But take a moment to look at the profiles here -- all of them seem reverent of the epitaph, the sacrifices that were made, that sort of thing. Second Twilight: Rosa and Eva have an argument, Eva kills Rosa, then Maria to silence her after the fact. I don't think anyone's in doubt here. Again, this one's easy to explain. Fourth-Sixth Twilights: Kyrie tells Rudolf of her suspicions with the cigarette, they take Hideyoshi to the mansion. Eva sneaks out of the guesthouse as well. When confronted, Hideyoshi reacts, killing Rudolf and mortally wounding Kyrie -- whether with the stakes or another method (probably the guns, right? the issue is that the wounds wouldn't match, but I don't think this needs to be explained for all of this to fit). Kyrie strikes back and kills Hideyoshi (which Eva witnesses, somehow). Look at the profiles here -- Rudolf's complains about the stake, Hideyoshi's is almost mournful, and Kyrie's is almost spiteful. That's what makes me so confident in this theory, it sounds so strongly like Eva's words there. Regardless. Seventh-Eighth Twilights: Eva goes to get coffee for Krauss and Natsuhi. She drugs them, then strangles them both before removing their bodies from the guesthouse somehow (a cart?) and driving stakes into them. Then she complains about them again in the updated character profiles, how she doesn't want to bother with the stakes. Ninth Twilight: George sneaks out of the guesthouse using whatever method Eva's been using, goes to visit Shannon's body. S is alive and kills him for some reason (or maybe he stumbles upon K and K is forced to kill him? I don't know, really -- but one of those two kills him). Then they write that number for some reason??? I've got nothing on that, honestly, moving on. Battler, Nanjo, Eva, and Jessica storm the mansion. S and K lay in wait. Eva blinds Jessica in her very real freakout. The two pairs split. S confronts Nanjo outside of the servant room. They have an argument that Jessica hears -- and then Jessica hears Kanon's voice. It's K, guiding her around away from "the witch" while S kills Nanjo. Eva and Battler eventually return and stumble upon Nanjo's body. Both immediately assume the other must, in fact, be the murderer. Battler accuses Eva, Eva says that it "took him long enough to notice", notably not confirming she killed all of them or anything of the sort. Eva survives. S, K, and possibly even Jessica leave the island through alternative means (?). Alternatively, S, K, and Jessica stay in "the Golden Land" (that other bedroom) until the story is over. That would cover how they reunite, if that counts as true. As for chewed to bits by demons... thrown off a cliff and dashed against the rocks? I don't know. It works out as well that every murder by S/K is assumed to be committed using a "gun or spear-shaped object" except for Kinzo in this theory, and every other means is Eva.
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idonotlikepeas posted:So the bodies were unrecognizable, and it's commonly believed that Eva did it, but the official word (based on whatever evidence) is that there was an accident. Maybe a fire? If the killer piles everyone's bodies in the mansion and sets fire to it, that could result in there being little to no physical evidence left, and it could be claimed that the fire was accidental. (Today, I would expect even that to fail, since we have lots of ways of examining bones, but back then it might have worked.) It definitely couldn't just be a bunch of intact bodies with, like, stakes stuck into them or whatever, even the worst cops would probably realize that involved a little murder. That would also explain the references to people going to hell (since, commonly, hell = fire). That would also explain why you might distribute corpses around in a bunch of different rooms, so it would look as much as possible like a bunch of people just doing whatever in different places just got caught in the fire unexpectedly. Eva can claim she was taking a walk at night looking for Crazy Old Kinzo's Gold and that's how she survived. If it was just "went to hell", I'd agree with you. But that's not what the profiles always say. They always say chewed, munched, eaten, just totally annihilated. Then a fire would make sense. It always says "when the seagulls cry, [x] survived". Maybe it's not actually talking about the seagulls. If there's a loud noise, and then a fire, that leads me to think some kind of explosion? Maybe the numbers written down is, like, a way to disarm a bomb or something. Or maybe I've played too much Zero Escape.
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oath2order posted:Eva: "Yes. Yes, Understood. S.E.A.G.U.L.L has been activated. Password is 07151129. So long, Jessica. <See you in hell.> *cackle*" Technology advanced enough to be indistinguishable from magic is how witches are made, don't ya know Merely A Giant Ignition Cannon Checkmate. 
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Jan 11, 2017 00:43
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Dr Pepper posted:Edit:Another thing this update points out is that whatever happened on Rokkenjima it left so little evidence that there was actual doubt of who was alive or dead. I think I was right earlier. A bomb and a fire. Some sort of explosion makes it tough to identify bodies, so they would be forced to use things like... Maria's jawbone, for instance. It would also cloud time of death almost irrevocably in the case that people were already dead.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:40
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Pretty easy to say episodes 1-3 are parallel universes.
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Feb 2, 2017 02:10
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I'm 25. I picked up my big stuffed fox and started hugging it while watching that.
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Feb 9, 2017 03:22
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Has anyone pointed out that the epitaph isn't actually being followed in the event that Kinzo has been dead all along?
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Feb 9, 2017 03:26
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Maria didn't start saying Uuuu~ until Sakutarou "died", did she? No, it just seems like they were only when she was having emotional episodes before. Does that imply her emotional state is just wrecked constantly now? curiousCat fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 06:36
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Wonderful.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:09
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 When spoken, a small Golden Land will be opened. So the golden land is just... cash? All of the money?
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Feb 21, 2017 21:50
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They sure... tried.
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Feb 22, 2017 05:53
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Oh wow.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:48
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Maria and Battler have to have a different test, here. This only works for the older siblings... and only because of who's around. You could offer Battler the same choice with child Ange as the crux, but she's not around for him to take that threat credibly. ...I feel like they're both going to choose themselves, but only after a period long enough for Kinzo to declare the test failed due to hesitation.
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Feb 24, 2017 20:32
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Holy moly, Jessica. Just brass knuckles to the face?
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It's amazing how the doctor manages to consistently be the least useful person on the island.
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