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had an idea today when I read that China has over twice the population of the United States. Why not let chinese people be quarterbacks? Three times the number of potential elite quarterbacks = three times the number of actual elite quarterbacks.
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Sep 22, 2016 02:41
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China is too busy breeding 7-foot tall genetic freaks with questionable knees to play basketball
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Sep 22, 2016 03:01
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When I was at Zheijang university in , god, like 20 years ago, there were a ton of these in a row: So imagine what they could do if they wanted to do football.
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Sep 22, 2016 04:11
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They're not really doing so hot with basketball these days though. Plus side they seem to generally dominate Asia and managed to qualify for the Olympics. Minus: they were easily the worst team there.
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Sep 22, 2016 04:21
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Maybe something like Obamacare, but for QBs?
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Sep 22, 2016 05:29
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https://twitter.com/ChrisWesseling/status/778040408408412160/
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Sep 22, 2016 08:09
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The problem is there is still a bias in favor of white quarterbacks at many levels so you end up with fewer great QBs in the NFL. That would happen with any position. If people thought white people were better defensive ends, you'd have fewer great defensive ends in the NFL. So, end racism, problem solved.
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Sep 22, 2016 08:14
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NotWearingPants posted:The problem is there is still a bias in favor of white quarterbacks at many levels so you end up with fewer great QBs in the NFL. That would happen with any position. If people thought white people were better defensive ends, you'd have fewer great defensive ends in the NFL. Kaep for Commish
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Sep 22, 2016 08:27
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Should have stopped at Jeff Fisher, point was made.
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Sep 22, 2016 13:14
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Sometimes I wonder how much somebody like Montana or Elway or Marino would win these day, with modern training techniques(and PEDs).
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Sep 22, 2016 13:30
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Hasn't Weinke been one of the most sought after QB coaching specialists of the last few years with IMG Academy? Seems weird to label him as a negative.
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Sep 22, 2016 14:30
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whiteyfats posted:Sometimes I wonder how much somebody like Montana or Elway or Marino would win these day, with modern training techniques(and PEDs). For QBs it's mainly injury recovery as I understand it, and Montana was the only one of those three who missed a lot of time with injuries on a regular basis. Might have helped him a lot and made Young spend more time on the bench? 
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Sep 22, 2016 14:36
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BiggerBoat posted:Why? Does Matt Ryan suck? Or did I rate him too low for you? So far I've been called out on Ryan and Carson Palmer, neither of which invalidates my argument, btw, and their lifetime stats seem to generally bear out my rankings. To be fair, QB opinions vary wildly year to year, and given your previous assertion of "taking their whole career into account" I can understand your rankings. But given present-day ability, your list is broken as gently caress. Right now, we have: Great: Aaron Rogers Cam Newton T*m Br*dy Ben Roethlisberger Really Good/Above Average Phillips Rivers Joe Flacco - I'll give this to you OBERST. But just this loving once. Carson Palmer - He's earned it. The Cards offense hums when he's under center. Drew Brees - He's still got some loving HoF Juice, but he's coming back down to earth in his old age. Russel Wilson - He flashes great, but I think you'll find that he's actually just really good. Adequate Tony Romo - He's broken as gently caress and probably done. Matt Ryan - He's broken and his weaknesses are masked by the offensive scheme. His deep ball is almost completely gone and he has a hard time hitting receivers in stride. The number of passes thrown behind receivers is maddening. Matt Stafford - He's got a cannon arm and a lot of heart, but he's just not loving above average. Eli Manning - His Superbowl rings are luck and lucky, and mostly propped up by his defense. Andrew Luck - He took too many hits, expectations for him should be back down to earth. Andy Dalton - He has too many bad games to be considered above average. Ryan Fitzpatrick - He's dependable, but also not great. He'll get the job done. He's the definition of adequate. Alex Smith - See Ryan Fitzpatrick. Jay Cutler - He doesn't loving CAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE, but I mean, he's got talent. Kirk Cousins - He's got upside, I guess, but If we had a below average cat, I'd put him there. Ryan Tannehill - He flashes some ability, but I think ultimately, he's just not able to make W's happen on his own. Sam Bradford - See fuckin' Ryan Fitzpatrick. Blake Bortles * Jameis Winston* Derek Carr * Marcus Mariotta* ***That ship has sailed, these guys are adequate QB's. Possible really good inc for Derek. Too Early to say Teddy Bridgewater - He's just been hurt too much. Way Too early to say Carson Wentz Brock Osweller Dak Prescott Trevor Seiman Paxton Lynch Jared Goff Jimmy Garapolo Complete poo poo/Hopeless Case Keenum Mark Sanchez (is he in the league?)(Yes... yes he is) Blaine Gabbert RG3 Shaun Hill Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 16:47
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Mariota is actually really good
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Metapod posted:Mariota is actually really good If she slings you to north of 8 wins, I'll agree to that.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:05
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With the shape that is the secondary I do not agree to those terms
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Sep 22, 2016 17:07
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Metapod posted:With the shape that is the secondary I do not agree to those terms It is your right, as an American, to be a homer. Even if it is to the Titans. Lets get the Grizzlies moved to the East so TN can get some finals appearances this decade.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:08
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Chilichimp posted:
you don't know what you're talking about. Teddy missed one start since he got promoted to a full time starter, and was trending very well to a good QB until he tore his ACL this year, Now, of course, he's a huge question mark, but the argument of being hurt too much is factually wrong.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:12
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CyberPingu posted:Kaep for Commish Unironically this, just so the sock fines go away.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:13
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Chilichimp posted:To be fair, QB opinions vary wildly year to year, and given your previous assertion of "taking their whole career into account" I can understand your rankings. I think you need another category between adequate and complete poo poo. You could call it "bad" or "crap" and move names down from adequate like Fitzpatrick, Cousins, and Tannehill. Also, I think you can move Wentz up into the "Really Good/Above Average" category. It's been 2 games! v I concur NotWearingPants fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 17:16
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Drew Brees is 2 seasons off breaking the passing record...he should be in great
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Dubious posted:you don't know what you're talking about. Teddy missed one start since he got promoted to a full time starter, and was trending very well to a good QB until he tore his ACL this year, Now, of course, he's a huge question mark, but the argument of being hurt too much is factually wrong. I like Teddy and am trying to cut him some slack by saying the jury is still out. Losing his 3rd season sucks rear end, but his stat sheet doesn't show much across his first 2 seasons. NotWearingPants posted:I think you need another category between adequate and complete poo poo. You could call it "bad" or "crap" and move names down from adequate like Fitzpatrick, Cousins, and Tannehill. I love optimism. 
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Sep 22, 2016 17:19
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CyberPingu posted:Drew Brees is 2 seasons off breaking the passing record...he should be in great Yeah, Brees would be dragging almost any other team to the playoffs every season. It's taking one of the worst defenses in history to keep him down.
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CyberPingu posted:Drew Brees is 2 seasons off breaking the passing record...he should be in great Drew absolutely is great, and a HoFer, and all that. I'm just saying he's not CURRENTLY great, he's just real-real good.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:20
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I dont understand...how can Rodgers be listed as currently great then. I would say Brees is playing better than he is currently
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Sep 22, 2016 17:22
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Only wins matter apparently when evaluating individual play
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Sep 22, 2016 17:22
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CyberPingu posted:I dont understand...how can Rodgers be listed as currently great then. I would say Brees is playing better than he is currently To be fair, I avoid watching the packers like the loving plague, so I'll admit blindspotitis on his behalf. Metapod posted:Only wins matter apparently when evaluating individual play loving lol, and Rhode Island rejects any plans to grant congressional seats based on population alone!
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Sep 22, 2016 17:25
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Chilichimp posted:Drew absolutely is great, and a HoFer, and all that. Why is Aaron Rodgers at the top, when he can't get anything done with Nelson/Cobb, while Rivers is passing for 70% and no INTs with basically just Travis Benjamin
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Chilichimp posted:To be fair, I avoid watching the packers like the loving plague Man, I hate the Packers as much as the next guy (Clay Mathews killed Harambe), but how can you like football and not watch their games? The best QB in football plays for them. At least watch to see him slowly get CTE until he actually convinces himself his relationship with Olivia Munn is genuine.
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Chilichimp posted:To be fair, I avoid watching the packers like the loving plague, so I'll admit blindspotitis on his behalf. Hmmm it's as if those two things are completely unrelated
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Chichevache posted:Man, I hate the Packers as much as the next guy (Clay Mathews killed Harambe), but how can you like football and not watch their games? The best QB in football plays for them. At least watch to see him slowly get CTE until he actually convinces himself his relationship with Olivia Munn is genuine. fuckin' lol
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Metapod posted:Hmmm it's as if those two things are completely unrelated It's an analogy, Metapod, and it's apt, as was the complaint of Rhode Islands delegation. Helllllllllooooooooooo advanced statistics.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:31
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What QB Crisis? Ryan Fitzpatrick hype train wooowoooo... 
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I'm just saying no matter how you slot the guys, like I did, that compared to stuff that was going a decade ago (or even two decades) the ratio of good to great to average to suck is about the same. I'd say overall, it's slightly better but I haven't dug that far. I pulled that list more or less off the top of my head, only going back to check stats for Ryan and Palmer after a few guys called me out. I suppose you could slide Cutler and Tannehill down into "hopeless" by now, but, semantics aside, the ratio of great to decent to poor seem to me about the same as they've always been. People are quibbling over my ratings instead of looking at my overall point, which is that I disagree with the OP. Mariotta, Wentz, Luck, Bridgewater, Winston, Bortles, Carr (and even Prescott) could all become future stars. There's no crisis at the position.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm just saying no matter how you slot the guys, like I did, that compared to stuff that was going a decade ago (or even two decades) the ratio of good to great to average to suck is about the same. I'd say overall, it's slightly better but I haven't dug that far. Make hot takes, get hot replies. 
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Pron on VHS posted:Why is Aaron Rodgers at the top, when he can't get anything done with Nelson/Cobb, while Rivers is passing for 70% and no INTs with basically just Travis Benjamin I've always been amazed at Rivers' ability to get 100 yard receiving performances out of guys like Eddie Royal, Legedu Naanee, Seyi Ajirotutu, etc
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Dubious posted:you don't know what you're talking about. Teddy missed one start since he got promoted to a full time starter, and was trending very well to a good QB until he tore his ACL this year, Now, of course, he's a huge question mark, but the argument of being hurt too much is factually wrong. To be fair maybe instead of hurt too often you can call him hurt too badly right now to make a call. It's possible his career is flat over, although I'm sure he'll get back into shape enough to at least attempt a comeback. And he could be just fine eventually too, but that's a scary enough injury that it's not like "yeah he'll be back next year, just needs to get the rehab in."
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Grittybeard posted:To be fair maybe instead of hurt too often you can call him hurt too badly right now to make a call. It's possible his career is flat over, although I'm sure he'll get back into shape enough to at least attempt a comeback. And he could be just fine eventually too, but that's a scary enough injury that it's not like "yeah he'll be back next year, just needs to get the rehab in." It would own so hard if Sam Bradford worked out in MIN. Then they could trade Teddy Bridgewater to some QB needy team. Teddy has a lot of potential. I bet he's worth a first. KC could pick him up as heir to Alex Smith.
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Sep 23, 2016 01:02
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Acceptable NFL QBs Tom Brady poo poo NFL QBs All the rest. Thread solved, close and goldmine.
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Chilichimp posted:Make hot takes, get hot replies. I didn't think my take was all that hot. Speaking of that though, someone brought up the much higher percentage of black athletes playing quarterback these days and today I heard a talk show host say that, after tonight, when New England starts whatever the gently caress his name is, that there will only be ONE team who's never started a black quarterback. Can you guess what team it is? The New York Giants. Without looking it up, I was going through the teams and trying to recall from memory if this was true. Off the top of my head, I can't remember any black QB starters from the Chargers, the Colts, the Chiefs, the Texans, the Broncos, the Dolphins or the Cardinals. Some teams took me a while but I'm still stick on the ones I listed. Didn't Warren Moon play for the Chiefs? I think Tony Banks played for the Texans in the expansion year or something but all I remember is David Carr. I'm totally stumped on the other ones but I know I can google it. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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