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Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


when hurt feelings cause you to torture animals out of spite:

How foreign protests against Yulin’s dog meat festival may have backfired

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International groups and celebrities, backed by millions of foreign petitioners, have rallied against an annual dog meat festival in the Chinese city of Yulin: but the protests may have backfired, residents say, spurring more people to eat man’s best friend.

“My store’s dog-meat sales are much higher than before, last year was up more than 50 percent,” the owner of Yulin Number One Crackling Dog Meat Shop told AFP.

The city, deep in the poverty-stricken southern Chinese region of Guangxi, has drawn international fury for the beating and boiling alive of animals in the belief that the more frightened the dogs, the tastier the meat, activists say.

More than 10,000 animals are killed for the summer solstice festival, which has drawn the notice of celebrities such as British reality TV star Simon Cowell who denounced it as “barbaric”.

This year’s event is scheduled for June 21, but tensions are already growing.

Last month, activists from China‘s nascent animal-rights movement stopped a Guangxi-bound van carrying 400 dogs and cats, some still wearing pet collars.

But campaigners’ efforts have had a perverse effect, locals say.

“Because of the protests, more people know that Yulin has a dog meat festival, so everyone comes and tries it,” said the dog meat seller, surnamed Lin.

“As we get closer to the dog meat festival, all Yulin’s hotels are completely full.”

Lin has opened a dog meat delivery service because “large numbers of people are placing orders online,” she added.

Even dog lovers in Yulin say that protest tactics have backfired.

“I used to think our enemy was the dog meat lovers,” said the operator of a new dog shelter, who asked not to be named. “Now I see our enemy is the activists from outside.”

He fiercely opposes the dog trade and has adopted a retriever rescued from a market, but believes that international protests are “sabotage” that drive people to ferociously defend their custom.


Changing tactics

Local patriotism and cultural pride make outsiders bad messengers for change, the shelter operator said.

Foreigners often encounter hostility in Yulin, with butchers known to knock cameras out of visitors’ hands.

“When foreigners come to China and say China has this or that problem, people get disgusted with you and won’t listen,” he said.

“Because of media hype, more and more dog meat is eaten.”


To reduce the number of slaughtered dogs, the shelter operator has built a pet centre to demonstrate that the animals can produce more income as consumers of clothing and pet paraphernalia than as meat.

“Our local centre is purely commercial,” he said. “Our goal is not to abolish all eating of dog meat, but to give this city an antibody, to resist… this virus.”

Andrea Gung, the Taiwanese-American founder of California-based Duo Duo, a group that organised a 2.5 million-signature petition against the festival, says that the fury she has encountered forced her to change approach.

“Everyone hated us,” she said of last year’s festival, noting that dog-lovers receive such animosity in Yulin that they no longer identify as activists.

Now her group is sponsoring animal welfare programmes in schools, hoping to turn the next generation against dog eating by making it “uncool”.

“We want to come up with some slogan like, ‘Cute girls don’t date dog eaters,'” she said, adding that most afficionados in Yulin are men, who believe the meat increases virility.

Daily trade

China has no laws to protect non-endangered species.

Although the protests focus on Yulin’s festival, canines are butchered and eaten year-round in many places in southern China without attracting international outrage.

In Yulin, a humid city pockmarked by empty factory lots, sidewalk vendors slice meat from dog carcasses on hooks and feed them to men around low tables crowded with beer.

City markets have sections dedicated to selling the meat and restaurant adverts show images of well-groomed retrievers.

The Humane Society International (HSI) has sent researchers to tour slaughterhouses and estimates that an average of 300 dogs are killed in the city daily.

This is despite the fact that pet ownership has grown rapidly in China over the past decade, with almost 30 million households now owning a dog, according to research group Euromonitor.

Washington, DC-based HSI protested at Yulin’s Beijing office Friday and mailed an 11 million-signature petition to President Xi Jinping.

The #StopYulin campaign has become one of HSI’s “biggest” campaigns now, the group’s China specialist Peter Li said.

But the idea that the protests might drive a backlash in Yulin and fuel dog consumption, he said, was “hugely exaggerated”.

“A backlash for the short term, yes. But in the long term, I don’t worry.”

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Mar 26, 2010


P-Mack posted:

I wonder if how highly developed and intensively cultivated China was played a role. Less dense areas people can scrounge the wilderness for mushrooms or whatever before jumping straight to eating corpses. Purely idle speculation on my part.

There's something to that. Prior to industrialization, Chinese dynasties relied on a hugely complex logistical operation to gather food for consumption in the major cities. So when the food growing areas themselves were blighted or destroyed the whole nation would starve and the emperor would lose his mandate to rule. Meanwhile, Mao locked up all the grain in storehouses to use as exports in order to purchase industrial equipment for his international dick-measuring contest against the British.

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In Xinyang, people starved at the doors of the grain warehouses. As they died, they shouted, "Communist Party, Chairman Mao, save us". If the granaries of Henan and Hebei had been opened, no one need have died. As people were dying in large numbers around them, officials did not think to save them. Their only concern was how to fulfill the delivery of grain.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


nerdz posted:

I heard once that China had the money to import food but suffered an embargo by capitalist countries, which is basically the opposite of what was said here.

Lol. China's biggest trading partner at the time was loving Japan and Mao even thanked them for helping weaken the Nationalists

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


nerdz posted:

Yeah, I mean, there WAS a trade embargo against china that covered most food products. What I don't really know is if China could actually afford to import food or if it even was trying to

they did the opposite

Mao's Great Famine posted:

Beijing government officials, including Zhou Enlai and Mao, increased the food procurement quota from the countryside to pay for international imports. According to Dikötter, "In most cases the party knew very well that it was starving its own people to death." Mao was quoted as saying in Shanghai in 1959: “When there is not enough to eat people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill.”

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010



someone make that my av tia

http://i.imgur.com/16FKvfl.mp4

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Ccs posted:

But China is really good at realistic art. Like, the average kid who take the art tests in China have much much better observational skills and dedication to craft than most Western art students.

agreed. i saw some truly amazing classic watercolor art at a university and its a shame it was all racist anti-japanese poo poo

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


wasnt wolf smoke made by like one guy

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


xiamen is practically taiwan so they might actually have inspections

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Mar 26, 2010


Fauxtool posted:

are you black, tall, or very fat?

real talk I was on a tour with a bunch of other American students and realized that the guy in our group matching all those descriptions was a much better guide than the translator waving their arms around

even when he was out of vision you just had to follow all the old people shuffling in the same direction

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Pollyanna posted:

is this literally only happening because small blonde kid?

china is so monocultural that a hanified minority person wearing a ceremonial hat is impossibly exotic, seeing a westerner (especially a blonde one) is like meeting a martian

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


also does anyone have that qing-era painting of a westerner and its a hairy birdperson with bad breath?

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


KomodoWagon posted:

Not sure about that, but then again I'm not hugely invested in Thai affairs. As far as I understand it, any threat to the monarchy is seen as a satanic act of treason, not unlike Lucifer's rebellion against God.

Fanatical royalism was created by the king after the military was sent in to massacre a bunch of students in the sixties, so anyone with ideas simply became anti-royalist. The monarchy straight up controls the judiciary and has a lot of influence over the military so they tend to work hand in hand.

Meanwhile the new king is an actual serial rapist who raped so many women he got HIV from it. He made his dog an air force officer and gave it a state funeral. Everyone in Thailand hates this guy and he was one of the reasons the military overthrew the government in the first place. Not because of his hosed up syphilitic brains, but because he is in a shitload of debt to Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand's richest man, former president, and military enemy number one.

Basically the military overthrew the government (led by thaksin's wife as the military exiled him) because the king's health was turning for the worse, and without him they're worried about getting purged by the STD king

here's the dog's funeral:



and here's a video of the crown prince (now king) making his wife strip naked and eat cake off the ground:

:nws: https://vimeo.com/101336844

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Pon de Bundy posted:

interesting, so the women are allowed to drink a lot and it doesn't ruin FACE?

More than that, if you can't match her drink for drink she'll probably call you a pussy

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


reminder that deceitful penguin called a black person a honky and said that America doesn't have Indian food

He's like if fishmech was illiterate

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Mar 26, 2010


Invisible Handjob posted:

japan tried to import them en masse a while back to solve their labor shortage, figuring if the japanese could accept any immigrants it would be ethnic japanese

only took a couple years before there were massive calls for their deportation, they were actually paid by the government to leave and agree to never come back

dude japan is so insular that people who do "unclean" jobs like funeral services or butchering are so discriminated against they became their own ethnicity, and routinely get death threats just for existing

its almost like japan wants to die out

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


I went to china with a butch lesbian overseas chinese cop and she had a great time idk

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Mar 26, 2010


Deceitful Penguin posted:

Some folks liked it, others (me) pointed out that it's bad scholarship

Get it if you want, it won't explain either of the things you mention tho


if you want real academic book reccs try the D&D thread (lol does anyone still seriouspost there tho)

Lol what the gently caress you dont know poo poo dude. Dikotter is one of the best writers on China along with Spence and no amount of sadbrains tankie bullshit will change that.

You can always read Tombstone, which is like Mao's Great Famine except its more gruesome and written by a primary source (so racist icelandic shutins cant dismiss it out of hand)

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Boiled Water posted:

an interesting society that goes "boy missing" to "nigerians ate him". Do they all subscribe to the daily main chain of thought?

in 1962 india rounded up all their ethnically chinese citizens and put them in a internment camp because they got their rear end kicked by the prc

so yes (also indian media is hilariously corrupt so the daily mail is actually a high bar there)

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


simplefish posted:

Pull a sickie, the doc will still prescribe you like 7 packets of pills and the opiate syrup without bkinking twice

I had a bad cold and a "doctor" prescribed me a bunch of codeine pills, 9 of which i was supposed take at every meal :catdrugs:

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Mar 26, 2010


angel opportunity posted:

My favorite thing to eat in CQ is ganguo. I personally think hot pot in Chongqing sucks. It's extremely oily and not as good as hot pot in the north, but ganguo is great

Chuanchuan is the superior form of hotpot qtiyd

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