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KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

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Phoenix Metro, so it basically divides into a few major blocks.

1. Old White Fuckers. These are the people who keep electing Joe Arpaio. They mostly live in one of the several Sun City communities and are also mostly above the median for retirees. They also vote down school funding and anything else that may improve the area. They are assholes.

2. Hispanics. Mostly Mexicans, but most everyone is represented in some way, some recent immigrants, some here 50+ years, some here forever. Runs the gamut of political ideologies, but overall they lean Democratic, though their turnout isn't always the highest, though that's looking to change this year. Mostly clustered in West Phoenix, South Phoenix, the southern end of North Phoenix, parts of Tempe and Mesa, Tolleson and Buckeye. Economically all over the place, but a good chunk are below the median.

3. Middle Class White People. These are the people living in basically every suburb that isn't Cave Creek/North Scottsdale. Median income, often conservative, but can swing one way or the other. Their major concern seems to be school safety and keeping the streets safe (AKA NO MINORITIES).

4. African-Americans. It feels dumb to lump this group as one segment to be honest, because the community here in my experience is diverse as gently caress. I've met people from South Phoenix who basically have experiences you would expect in areas like Compton and what not, but also refugees from Africa who have become small business owners and now have farms and make a living selling produce locally and a ton of middle class people who have experiences as diverse as No Different from Middle Class White People to Victims of Systemic Racism, depending on what part of the city they live in. People who have moved here from elsewhere tell me that overall, despite our reputation, if you're middle class it's not as lovely as some part of the country, but the systemic issues exist at some level. Again, mostly Democratic voters and I am not as up on their issues, though systemic racism, the prison state, gently caress Joe Arpaio and safe communities seem to be big ones this election.

5. Native Americans. Not the largest group, but the Phoenix area actually has a decent native presence. There are four reservations in the metro area itself and a lot of Navajo, Hopi, Apache and others who live off-reservation also live in the area. Solidly Democratic voters, but underserved, discriminated against and in the the case of the Fort McDowell Yavapai and Salt River Pima-Maricopa, sandwiched next to really wealthy, really white areas that loving hate them because they are racist assholes. The issues they are big on and involved in locally are recognition of the reservation land, cultural site protection, protection of their water sources and water rights, access to educational and work opportunities.

6. Working Class White People. Overwhelmingly left behind by the economy and overwhelmingly conservative. Basically the same as anywhere else. They're spread all over but mostly the older suburbs, parts of West Phoenix and Buckeye.

7. Wealthy Mostly White People. A bunch of NIMBY fucks who live in Cave Creek and North Scottsdale, bought up a bunch of formerly public land to build their houses on it, slammed golf courses into it and vote all over the place in ideology. They range from old Arizona money to shitheads who came here for a vacation home or for the ~Desert Life~ and eat up the land. gently caress them.

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KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


glowing-fish posted:

This is the type of information I was looking for?

I imagine that Joe Arpaio gets elected around a core group of old retirees and resentful working class white people, and then manages to keep enough somewhat moderate middle-class people on with a "Think of the Children" shpiel? And that low numbers and low turnout by blacks, Latinos and Natives are never enough to threaten his reelection?

That's pretty much what it is, he's carried by the retirees, North Scottsdale and the whiter suburbs. Turnout to get him out has been low in the past, though the last election it was a lot closer, and this time there is a real chance that he gets thrown out, wonderfully enough due to the great job Trump has done at mobilizing Hispanics to register to vote and naturalize. It'll be glorious if Trump takes Joe down with him. Also, I've known a lot of people in the law enforcement community here, mostly local departments, and they, and everyone they have ever worked with, loving hate Joe Arpaio, which is another interesting twist to local politics.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

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Y-Hat posted:

That doesn't surprise me, because for all his tough talk on Latino rhetoric and the concentration camps that he uses to back it up, Arpaio is remarkably lovely at his actual job. I remember reading a year or two ago that crime has been going down everywhere in Arizona except in Maricopa County. Is that still true?

By the way, I really wish every article written about Arpaio reminds people that the county isn't some backwater expanse where a couple hundred thousand people live, but a major metropolitan area. The media does a great disservice by not explicitly pointing that out at every chance they get, because otherwise people get the impression that he's a feudal lord of a small, backwards part of the country. I know I did until recently.
I can't remember if it's explicitly true or not. I remember a few years ago that crime was going down in a lot of the city of Phoenix proper, where Arpaio isn't in charge, not sure if it was true of the suburbs with their own departments or not. I think violent crime saw an uptick, but not a huge one. A good example of how local departments are better at actually doing their job than MCSO is Maryvale, a sub-district of the city of Phoenix. It had a pretty drat high crime rate and gang issues for a while in the 2000s. If I recall, by engaging the local community, which was and still is heavily Hispanic, and by not hunting down migrants living there they were able to basically clean up the gang problem, without losing the majority of the people living there. And as of a year ago, the crime rate in the county had gone down more than the country as a whole.

In contrast, Arpaio got caught doing round-ups of migrant workers after being told to knock it off by a federal judge, was found to have racial biases in who they actually contacted and also in what they chose to investigate. A recent case found his department was actively ignoring rape cases, most often when the victim was Hispanic, likely with his knowledge. When confronted he refused to answer and though it broke in 2010 and he said he would do an internal investigation and punish those responsible, as of 2015 the report was never completed and no one was disciplined. This was when he was in charge of policing El Mirage, which is a small town next to where I live on the West side, that's mostly Hispanic. He basically cannot do his job at all. Local departments also hate him, because, instead of just sticking to county islands, areas where there is no local police force or it's a small town that doesn't have it's own department, he goes into places like Phoenix and Mesa and basically terrorizes local communities. Mesa was where he was doing a lot of his big raids on taquerias and poo poo and their chief got pissed. Stuff like this just gets communities insular, and what do you know, crime goes back up.

The Phoenix Metro is as diverse as any other big city and you see a lot of different things, that's the problem with the national reporting, you just get this impression that it's all angry white people and suburban strip malls, and while that's true for some areas it's not universal and honestly I feel that the future of the area is like most other big urban areas. It's going blue, just give it a bit longer.

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