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Caustic Soda posted:Probably. My aunt lives out on the country, and at least back when she was in her 40'ies church was the one social event in the local village, so she attended even though she is (and was) an atheist. I doubt rural Denmark is as sparsely populated as the Midwest, though. True enough. In rural Denmark the church is much, much stronger, though. Also where the "kooks" have their strongholds, JW, baptists and Inner Mission( a Pietist movement thing) are especially numerous out there.
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Churches are also big social events down in the American South where I live.
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Sep 23, 2016 14:57
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Cythereal posted:Churches are also big social events down in the American South where I live. Good luck trying to find a table at any restaurant after 11AM, as all the churchgoers flood out to breakfast/lunch/brunch with the family.
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Sep 23, 2016 15:33
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Southern Baptists usually have a Wednesday night meeting as well as Sunday, and IIRC some congregations have an afternoon service on Sunday that you are expected to attend as well as the morning service. Yup. In my experience, the Wednesday night meetings are usually aimed at youth programs and also invent something for the kids' parents to do. The after-church rush is real and it is a pain.
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Sep 23, 2016 15:42
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Cythereal posted:Yup. In my experience, the Wednesday night meetings are usually aimed at youth programs and also invent something for the kids' parents to do.
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Sep 23, 2016 16:03
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Mr Enderby posted:Do you know how these folk saints are venerated (worshiped)? Is it just the same as form of veneration as that done by lay people for recognised saints, or are there additional aspects? It depends on the individual traditions but yeah, a lot of them are basically just treated as extra saints. Even things like dressing up your statue of Santa Muerte really aren't that different from the traditions of dressing up your statues of Mary, which is also a really common thing in Mexico. There are some that are taken a bit more seriously, as you can see in the picture I posted Maria Lionza is sometimes given offerings of things like fruit, drinks, and cigars but even with her there's kind of a spectrum of belief ranging from, "sure put a statue up, why not? we've got statues of all the other saints" to believing she's literally a goddess at the center of her own religion.
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stereobreadsticks posted:It depends on the individual traditions but yeah, a lot of them are basically just treated as extra saints. Even things like dressing up your statue of Santa Muerte really aren't that different from the traditions of dressing up your statues of Mary, which is also a really common thing in Mexico.
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Sep 23, 2016 16:09
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I was reading that in the Philippines you dress up the Santo Niño instead. I wish *my* religious tradition included dressing up dolls for the home. Yes, I know I could just do it, but my husband would roll his eyes at me. A lot, and in any case the Baby Jesus wouldn't be high on my list of preferred saints. Now that you mention it, that's probably what I was thinking of. I know I've been in peoples' houses in both the US and Mexico where they've had properly dressed up Marys but I can't really find examples online so it's possible it's just something those individuals did rather than a traditional thing. Also, you should totally get awesome religion dolls, why not? stereobreadsticks fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Sep 23, 2016 16:32
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we dressed La Conquistadora up when i was a child http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/history-of-la-conquistadora/article_ca342910-fe14-5b69-a766-8cb9000ac3d8.html there is also a collection of her tiny clothing in our cathedral museum
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Sep 23, 2016 16:47
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stereobreadsticks posted:Also, you should totally get awesome religion dolls, why not?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Because I wouldn't be venerating them, and it would be tacky. And there would be no fun in dressing up a statue of (say) Elizabeth Fry because Quaker. That's fair. And yeah, Elizabeth Fry's pretty cool but it wouldn't really work to bling her out.
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Sep 23, 2016 17:11
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When I was a kid, everyone rushed out the door after church because gently caress you guys, you're not as important as the Bengals or Steelers
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Smoking Crow posted:When I was a kid, everyone rushed out the door after church because gently caress you guys, you're not as important as the Bengals or Steelers I once went to church during the first half of the super bowl and there were literally a dozen people in there it was the broncos/seahawks one so tbh im glad I missed most of it
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Sep 23, 2016 17:39
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StashAugustine posted:I once went to church during the first half of the super bowl and there were literally a dozen people in there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLETOxd_bWI
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Smoking Crow posted:When I was a kid, everyone rushed out the door after church because gently caress you guys, you're not as important as the Bengals or Steelers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M03pO-Gw0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYKFszOlxLo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebKRIppN0I
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How big are those churches where you have coffee and potlucks? Because I can hardly imagine my downtown church's 200+ congragants gathering together. Also, do you do it somewhere around the church or go places? I really doubt I'll get in touch with any parishioners here. It's a big church in a 'sleeping hood' (translating from Lithuanian verbatim - it's a term for city districts/areas where you have mainly apartment buildings and schools and supermarkets - entertainment, culture and industry happens somewhere else), about 10 to 15 minute walk...
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in english we say bedroom community also my church is like...30 people
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JcDent posted:How big are those churches where you have coffee and potlucks? Because I can hardly imagine my downtown church's 200+ congragants gathering together. Also, do you do it somewhere around the church or go places? I'm in the American South, and I have never seen a church of any denomination not do coffee and snacks, from the Lutheran church with 20 people in most services to the college-aimed nondenominational Protestant college church with hundreds. Every church I've been to has had a lobby area if not a big utility room used for the purpose. Digging out an old post from when I was in my first job I moved for and was visiting local churches and surveying the food: quote:Southern Baptist megachurch: granola bars, orange juice, lovely coffee.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:15
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I don't know that it's possible to have a church too small for a potluck. The storefront OCA church I went to this last Sunday had one for its churchwarming, complete with a Byzantine church cake.
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Valiantman posted:There might be coffee afterwards sometimes if there's a visitor to the parish, like a missionary or something. Or some breakfast oatmeal if it's a family service. Might be different in some places but I'd say that's the rule of thumb in Finland. You come, you sit and chant, you maybe receive the Eucharist, you leave. It's likely you speak to no one and that's not because of Finnish stereotypes. It sucks big time. That's kind of sad. Maybe start something up? Honestly, apart from people with their kids, I'd guess most people who make time for church on a Sunday would be willing/glad to have a biscuit and a chat afterwards. Most Anglican churches I've been to have had some sort of social event after their services, but this may be less common in the countryside. My mother's church (Presbyterian) does lunch every Sunday, although that's possible because there's an on-site kitchen and hall. There's a small charge, but it's waived for the homeless. I've cooked there a few times.
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Cythereal posted:Digging out an old post from when I was in my first job I moved for and was visiting local churches and surveying the food: You didn't visit a hardline Church of Christ. Kitchens in the church building? Unscriptural. Fellowship halls? Unscriptural. Potlucks. Definitely unscriptural. Actually how common is it for Catholic churches to have kitchens? Mine does, but the church is gigantic.
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Now that I think about it, I think every church I've ever been to has had a kitchen. Of course, a number of those were Catholic churches that also had Catholic schools attached.
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Sep 23, 2016 19:53
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I went to non-denominational preschool under a Catholic church.
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Keromaru5 posted:Now that I think about it, I think every church I've ever been to has had a kitchen. Same here, whether or not the church also had a school, whether or not the church ever had potlucks or post-service coffee. (In my current parish's case, no school, potlucks, or coffee, but the kitchen's where they cook the pancakes, breakfast tacos, or sausage that the Knights of Columbus sell as a fundraiser every other month, or the spaghetti dinners that the high school youth group does as a fundraiser, that kind of thing.)
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Keromaru5 posted:Now that I think about it, I think every church I've ever been to has had a kitchen. Never even heard of a Catholic church without a kitchen. Remember that many of the Catholic ethnicities in America are people for whom making shitloads of food is baseline hospitality: Poles, Italians, and Hispanics all do this to varying degrees. My people (Irish) are the exception here, but lavish church hospitality kind of went out the window when the people you were inviting in might be redcoats who'd kill you and burn the altar.
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I've never seen a church with a kitchen anywhere, at least not Catholic ones (not sure about the local Lutheran church). You've got a fully-equipped kitchen in the Pfarr- or Gemeindezentrum (a larger building near to the church where there are rooms and facilities for the various parish groups and usually also a large hall for theatre productions and stuff) and also wherever the priests live, of course, but the average church around here is only for prayer/dusty hidden rooms we don't tell the tourists about that've got tons of ancient stuff in there that nobody ever needs e: Are you saying that the kitchen is indeed part of the church building itself? If so than that may be another American-European difference
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System Metternich posted:I've never seen a church with a kitchen anywhere, at least not Catholic ones (not sure about the local Lutheran church). You've got a fully-equipped kitchen in the Pfarr- or Gemeindezentrum (a larger building near to the church where there are rooms and facilities for the various parish groups and usually also a large hall for theatre productions and stuff) and also wherever the priests live, of course, but the average church around here is only for prayer/dusty hidden rooms we don't tell the tourists about that've got tons of ancient stuff in there that nobody ever needs I've never seen a church of any denomination without a kitchen, either in the church building itself or part of another building on the church property for church events. I have no trouble believing it's an American thing.
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System Metternich posted:e: Are you saying that the kitchen is indeed part of the church building itself? If so than that may be another American-European difference Yeah, every American church I've been to has a kitchen and fellowship hall of some sort, typically in the basement or attached to the sanctuary building. I'm sure there are lots with detached buildings too but I can't think of any I've seen. Could it just be a time period thing, with older European churches being built before coffee hour and potluck luncheons were a common cultural thing? Also, pray for me goons, I'm going country dancing tonight and am rhythmically challenged. Pray for my date's toes 
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American churches also have kitchens because it makes it easier to host a wedding or funeral (although nowadays the reception and wake are usually held elsewhere). Wow, now I'm realizing how much it would weird me out if a modern (post-1900) church *didn't* have a kitchen, and a big one. When a local church closed out this year, they sold a lot of institutional-quality kitchen equipment.
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Pellisworth posted:I'm sure there are lots with detached buildings too but I can't think of any I've seen. I've been to a few churches with kitchens and fellowship halls in detached buildings. Seems to be not uncommon when the initial sanctuary building is small or old and then they saved up enough money to add a second building on the church property which usually includes a fellowship hall, kitchen, and Sunday school/office space.
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I am pretty sure my local Catholic church doesn't have a kitchen. When I was a kid I was all over that building and I dunno where you'd put it. But then there was no social aspect to church either, except the service itself and maybe saying hi to people you hadn't seen all week. No organised thing, no food or anything. I believe the Baptists round the corner do more of the social stuff though, and I know the Anglicans do.
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Cythereal posted:I've been to a few churches with kitchens and fellowship halls in detached buildings. Seems to be not uncommon when the initial sanctuary building is small or old and then they saved up enough money to add a second building on the church property which usually includes a fellowship hall, kitchen, and Sunday school/office space. Thinking more about it, seems to me that it would be hard to pull off coffee hour, potluck lunch, and food banking without modern food storage (canning, refrigeration, freezing) and electricity.
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Hey Hegel- I was doing some research into the Galileo affair and came across the claim that asserting the Earth is not in the center of the universe caused theological problems (that is not just in terms of scriptural interpretation but in asserting that humanity isn't the center of the universe) - does your knowledge of the early modern period back that up?
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StashAugustine posted:Hey Hegel- I was doing some research into the Galileo affair and came across the claim that asserting the Earth is not in the center of the universe caused theological problems (that is not just in terms of scriptural interpretation but in asserting that humanity isn't the center of the universe) - does your knowledge of the early modern period back that up? That was the prime charge of heresy against him. It's not a disputed point as far as I know. The whole thing was a political mess primarily, but the Pope fired the heresy gun when Galileo wouldn't back down. ETA: Here's a pretty good writeup on it. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Keromaru5 posted:I don't know that it's possible to have a church too small for a potluck. The storefront OCA church I went to this last Sunday had one for its churchwarming, complete with a Byzantine church cake. Can we see a picture of the church cake?  After the blót we throw up a three-legged bonfire pan and grill horse steaks, it owns
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Wow, now I'm realizing how much it would weird me out if a modern (post-1900) church *didn't* have a kitchen, and a big one. When a local church closed out this year, they sold a lot of institutional-quality kitchen equipment. "My parents used to have a gyro machine, but we gave it to the church when we sold the restaurant." --a buddy of mine inadvertently uttering the most Greek-American sentence possible
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Yeah I can't say I've ever seen a church in Minnesota that did not have a kitchen. It's even part of a pretty well-known in-joke here, the idea of church basement ladies. The joke, which even some of you foreigners might agree with, is that no matter who the people are who are nominally "in charge", the real power and heart of a parish lies in the middle-aged and older women who work tirelessly to put on events and keep things running smoothly. Many church buildings in America, or at least throughout much of Minnesota and other Upper Midwest states, were made such that the basement underneath the sanctuary was the combination fellowship hall, kitchen, and (if you have it set up with room dividers) Sunday School rooms. During my youth, I spent many Sunday mornings on feast days in the basement of the church, helping cook for youth fundraiser meals during the worship service. One thing that every church basement kitchen has is a PA speaker with a wire running to the sanctuary's PA system. This allows the people tending to the food to still participate somewhat in the service and hear the sermon. It is an interesting experience to cook and worship at the same time, for sure. There are times when you might have to temporarily take over for someone who is following deeply the church prayers, or someone who needs to run up and sing with the choir 
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Is there any information on what kind of religious beliefs ordinary peasant folks had during the Medieval period? My understanding of the first few hundred years of Christianity (prior to Constantine anyway) is that churches were small and intimate affairs, where converts came to the faith voluntarily and would have been in direct contact with religious teachers within the community, so we can therefore assume that they would have had a decent grasp of the relevant theology. After the medieval period, with the invention of the printing press and wider literacy, we can again assume that it was possible for the average peasant to be well informed on at least the fundamentals of Catholic dogma. But what about the intermediating period? Without books or literacy, with masses performed in a foreign tongue, and without the idea of voluntary religious association (if your king was a Catholic, that meant you were too) just what kind of knowledge could the average peasant have been expected to have about Catholic teachings? Would the average peasant have even set foot in a church, much less have been able to communicate directly with his / her parish priest about any questions they may have had? I've read a few books about the medieval period generally, and about Christianity / the Church in the medieval period specifically, and they always seem to gloss over this part. It seems obligatory to mention that the Church was always facing in uphill battle in suppressing pagan superstitions during this period, but that's about it. Is there any information at all about the role that Christianity played in the lives of ordinary people during this period?
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there is a chick in this hostel from Alaska, and it's making me think: does anyone here know how native Alaskans fast? if you live in Alaska and hunt whales, there's not a lot of farming up there. Same for native Siberians I guess.
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HEY GAL posted:there is a chick in this hostel from Alaska, and it's making me think: does anyone here know how native Alaskans fast? if you live in Alaska and hunt whales, there's not a lot of farming up there. Same for native Siberians I guess. That's a good question, I do know you're right and the Inuits have an almost entirely animal-based diet so fasting seems like it'd be tough. They also would be dealing with serious vitamin D deficiency since they're getting all their vit D from eating animals (especially seafood) rather than sunlight. e: also I forget the numbers but there are a ton of Inuits who still eat a largely traditional diet, we're not talking past tense Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Sep 24, 2016 |
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