Smoking Crow posted:

if you're going to complain to someone, complain to rodrigo diaz, i based mine on his milhist op

Keromaru5 posted:

Yeah, I go to a Greek church, and most of the women there keep their heads uncovered, except for a few convert families.

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When I first started going, someone told me it had to do with when the Greeks were under the Ottomans.

HEY GAL posted:

it's making me think: does anyone here know how native Alaskans fast?

Cythereal posted:

Defenestrate this, ye of the pikes and fancy hats.

HEY GAL posted:

the problem with famous people who convert to orthodoxy is they immediately start writing about orthodoxy

Lutha Mahtin posted:

i used to go to Catholic mass with my ex girlfriend when we'd go visit her family, and the monsignor at that parish gave sermons that were engaging and had jokes. on the other hand i think every one i ever heard was mostly an explanation of church doctrine, which for me was a very different experience. maybe it's a traditional Protestant thing, but i would say that 99% or more of the sermons I've heard in my life were primary based on the lectionary readings of the day

HEY GAL posted:

Fantastic post, Metternich

Here is an article about a cool-looking church in Russia. Often, Orthodox Christians in the West look to Greece or Russia for artistic inspiration, which to my mind reflects a sad lack of self esteem and possibly an ignorance of history, since the two churches were one for a thousand years. This reverses the trend, it's a Russian church that's decorated according to the style of Sicilian churches of the 12th century, according to the article "without doubt the most sumptuous and refined style that ever emerged in the Byzantine-influenced world." Awww, compliments

HEY GAL posted:

would you say the same about ravenna?

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point is, people who were (albeit distantly) related on one side to me, instead of my friends Bronislav and Fyodora, built the drat things and this is important to me. when i see art like this it reminds me i didn't covert to a religion that was disconnected from what i see as my own history

Disinterested posted:

That's why Palermo Cathedral is so interesting, it's got all sorts of stylistic elements.

Hoover Dam posted:

Mo Tzu posted:

course i wonder what the point is with white people making christian rap when rap is already super religious at times (and not just at award season either). kinda like why i don't get why white people do nerdcore when hip hop is nerdy as poo poo already

Ceciltron posted:

Any of you have HOT TAKES on Unitarian Universalism for me to better understand them, beyond my cursory wiki reading?

Tias posted:

As an anarcho-syndicalist, I will ask you to refrain from making the comparison, it would make both anarchists and calvinists sad

Spacewolf posted:

Actually, Orthodox and Catholic goons, that's a good question - are we screwed if someone blows up the diocesan chancery and takes out the records of, say, baptismal certificates not held by a parish?

Mo Tzu posted:

cythereal the next time you see a discussion like this and decide that your contribution should be something along the lines of "your thing is weird mine is normal," you should write out your post on a piece of paper, preferably a notebook, and put it under your pillow before you sleep. and when you wake up in the morning read it again. and if you think you should still post it, what you need to do is take that notebook and throw it in the garbage because no you should not.

talking about your tradition is cool and good. contrasting it with other traditions is great. talking poo poo about other people's religions is not. i know you think you're being coy and funny but it's really not either! we get it, you're baptist, ritual and saints and mary seem like superstitious hogwash to you. at least do something new with it other than these passive aggressive jabs, it's just boring.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

you'd think the answer is obvious but i looked up "christianityball" and it's a bunch of jokes about Mike Pence electrocuting people

Lutha Mahtin posted:

that moronic meme emoticon is really honestly all i can say about this post of yours

Paladinus posted:

Even if you consider everything as God's domain, it's still, in my opinion, dangerous to seek God's immediate and active presence in every aspect of your life. More often than not there are no signs, sometimes thing are just happening as a consequence of someone else exercising their free will. If you are want God to give you a cool custom sign composed of enormous gas giants across galaxies for what to wear today, you kind of put God to the test that is easily failable if something goes wrong because of the decision you made based on a perceived sign that you (or an astrologist) interpreted a certain way. It is more honest to just flip a coin embracing the relative randomness of the result, without thinking that God himself personally flips that coin with you and it lands in the best possible way that God intended to. Or if something bad happens out of the blue, and you start to blame God for not sending you a sign.

Tias posted:

drat it goons, stop arguing about stars It's probably easy for a heretic for me to say, but all denominations are marriages of convenience, and you are obeying the positions of your bishops, not your God.

Paladinus posted:

This was an extraordinary event, although it does show that God reigns over celestial bodies and can use them to reveal things to humans in general. The only thing that doesn't follow from it is that there is some eternal system to how stars and planets we look at from Earth influence particular individuals from the day they are born.

pidan posted:

I don't agree that free will works like that. The human soul is shaped by all kinds of factors outside the individual's control. If not being "masters of our own actions" means there is no virtue or vice, then there isn't any virtue or vice, because people react to situations in predictable ways.

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Also, astrology is typically used to predict situations and tendencies, not the actions of an individual.

JcDent posted:

So, ugh, how do we deal with the "any theory that can't be proven false is dogma" thing? I ran into that quote on Civ VI and in a Maddox post recently and I don't want to give my OCD more ammo. I mean, you probably answered it somewhere in the dialogue with Joseph Bugman (nice av, by the way), but I am not that smart.

Bel_Canto posted:

just ban everyone, convert or not, from writing or teaching about the faith in any public authoritative context for a minimum of 20 years after their confirmation, with every exception to be reviewed personally by a bishop. private faith talks with your friends? go ahead. but no teaching or publishing on catholic theology until you've lived a couple decades as a normal catholic

syscall girl posted:

I take it you didn't like alanis morissette in dogma

Smoking Crow posted:

tusk is great

Smoking Crow posted:

you're just jealous you've never had your dick powned

Pellisworth posted:

Grandma always said, anyone who's lived through a real winter knows Hell is cold, not flames.

HEY GAL posted:

everyone should be baptized with a saint/holy figure's name, the catholics do this as well

The Phlegmatist posted:

Want to see my fursona?



I am not kidding that is my fursona, Christianity thread.

HEY GAL posted:

the mormons, however, have kept it real.

Smoking Crow posted:

You're dense

Mo Tzu posted:

history is bad, actually. like, overwhelmingly so

Paladinus posted:

What does 'Deaconess of the Missions' mean?

The Phlegmatist posted:

But really it just boils down to the fact that the Protestants had lived under the awful loving Renaissance popes for a long time and just hated the papacy. That's probably best seen with their abortive attempt to enter into Eastern Orthodoxy. Which basically entails the Patriarch of Constantinople telling them "we don't like the Pope either but your theology is bad and you should feel bad, there are seven sacraments, please don't write us ever again."

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Tias posted:

Can someone itt explain the role of crows and ravens in christian mythology?

I know one was sent from the ark, and that Elijah was fed by them, but given that they were around in biblical times, there's got to be more.

Tias posted:

There is no inherent sexism in ancient american theology, though of course there is a lot of dumb men and traditions anyway.

Tias posted:

Which is why I said theology, not society or culture, but keep provoking yourself I guess. E: I'm not even claiming they were feminist, so chill the hell out - I'm just saying that parts of ancient society were a lot more woke about sex and gender than we are now.

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I'm not including aztecs, because it's really hard to actually prove anything about their beliefs.

Tias posted:

Can you expound on this? It seems pretty arbitrary to condemn demons to hell without a substantial surrender to predetermination( which they may have been fans of, I know very little about either saint), if you could do something to help them.

Smoking Crow posted:

If any man be devout and love God, let him enjoy this fair and radiant triumphal feast. If any man be a wise servant, let him rejoicing enter into the joy of his Lord. If any have labored long in fasting, let him now receive his recompense. If any have wrought from the first hour, let him today receive his just reward. If any have come at the third hour, let him with thankfulness keep the feast. If any have arrived at the sixth hour, let him have no misgivings; because he shall in nowise be deprived thereof. If any have delayed until the ninth hour, let him draw near, fearing nothing. If any have tarried even until the eleventh hour, let him, also, be not alarmed at his tardiness; for the Lord, who is jealous of his honor, will accept the last even as the first; he gives rest unto him who comes at the eleventh hour, even as unto him who has wrought from the first hour.

And he shows mercy upon the last, and cares for the first; and to the one he gives, and upon the other he bestows gifts. And he both accepts the deeds, and welcomes the intention, and honors the acts and praises the offering. Wherefore, enter you all into the joy of your Lord; and receive your reward, both the first, and likewise the second. You rich and poor together, hold high festival. You sober and you heedless, honor the day. Rejoice today, both you who have fasted and you who have disregarded the fast. The table is full-laden; feast ye all sumptuously. The calf is fatted; let no one go hungry away.

Enjoy ye all the feast of faith: Receive ye all the riches of loving-kindness. let no one bewail his poverty, for the universal kingdom has been revealed. Let no one weep for his iniquities, for pardon has shown forth from the grave. Let no one fear death, for the Savior’s death has set us free. He that was held prisoner of it has annihilated it. By descending into Hell, He made Hell captive. He embittered it when it tasted of His flesh. And Isaiah, foretelling this, did cry: Hell, said he, was embittered, when it encountered Thee in the lower regions. It was embittered, for it was abolished. It was embittered, for it was mocked. It was embittered, for it was slain. It was embittered, for it was overthrown. It was embittered, for it was fettered in chains. It took a body, and met God face to face. It took earth, and encountered Heaven. It took that which was seen, and fell upon the unseen.

O Death, where is your sting? O Hell, where is your victory? Christ is risen, and you are overthrown. Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen. Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice. Christ is risen, and life reigns. Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave. For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen.