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Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012

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Stefan Prodan posted:

I mean, a lot of the empirical "this player did well for me and this player didn't" stuff just sounds like sample size to me, to be honest

I find it very hard to believe that EA like systematically coded some players to be better than their stats or something, and unless they did that I don't see any reason he would be magically better

Not saying your experience didn't happen, just that it's well within the bounds of randomness

I know you are gonna counter with "well the chemistry poo poo was all broken" but that was like an entire system that didn't work, and didn't work in a predictable way and one that made sense. If you can make an argument for why some players would be better than their stats I'll listen but I haven't heard one that makes any sense to me

I'm not talking about any chemistry poo poo. I've used both players for a lot of games and Modeste is better for me. In a 433 with m/m workrates and stay central he's always in the right place where I had trouble with Gomez under the same instructions. He's faster than Gomez, has better physical attributes, and has the power header trait. That's how he's better, nothing random about it. Gomez has 40 less overall stats and probably is only an 82 because of international reputation. At the end of the day if you score more with an "average" player than another better player that's all that matters. Different players suit different styles of play and average players frequently out perform good ones.

Stefan Prodan posted:

If you mostly score from crosses though I would find it really cool if you did like a writeup with screenshots or video or something of what you find the best situations or timing to do on them is, I can do them sometimes but I dunno if I'm doing like the highest % chances. I used to take them to the backline but now that's terrible so I dunno.

Do you hit anything when it's in the air or do you just let the CPU do all the positioning and poo poo?

I'm not gonna do a big write up but simple crossing is what works this year. I never did crosses from the backline so that's probably why you're getting intercepted. I cross from around where the edge of the box starts with my winger ideally at a 45 degree angle. I'll cross shorter or farther up the pitch depending on the run of the striker. I power up halfway to shoot at the top of the cross (a little more if the player is far out) and I aim far post. It's that simple. No running to the byline, early crosses etc. I'm sure you could be more nuanced and score more but I'm doing just fine.

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Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012

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I sold Cheol for 9k. So you can still make coins off of non rare gold cards. Keep that in mind. Gambling on the marquee matchups seems like a good way to get burned. I'll probably avoid it.

I qualified for the weekend league in my second try. I think I lost 1-0 in the finals the first time. This game is becoming increasingly unfun the better people get/the more there is at stake. The defense really needs to be reworked as it stands because "counter attack" is ruining everything. Counter attack this year has basically zero risk for a huge upside. In previous editions you'd be allowing a lot of build up play/dribbling outside your box which obviously should be dangerous. This year you have your iron curtain defense never caught out of position and they don't give up goals because they are far too capable of stamping out any close passing or dribbling near the box. Going one goal up then playing counter attack + defensive basically grants you a win. Interceptions need to be dialed up a decent amount and defenders should not magnetically win the ball after touching a player. It's a simple balance between interceptions and tackling that they hosed up last year by making everyone Kante so this year they decided to go completely in the other direction and make everyone Maldini.

The only formations I'm playing now have wingers because at least they are still fun and dribbling is a less tedious way of breaking down counter attacking rather than making 1,000 passes and hoping you draw the opponent out. Two things I noticed. heads up dribbling is back after the patch and probably the best thing you could learn right now. Bust it out in the middle of a sprint and you can juke defenders really hard. People haven't caught onto it yet. It's really great for lateral movement and ok for backwards. Also since I was getting frustrated with how people were playing I experimented with some new play styles. The 51212 on counter attack with your wing backs set to "always overlap" is a lot of fun and takes everyone off guard. If you don't do counter attack your 3 cbs will be too close together if the opponent makes a break (you'll be playing most of the game defending with 3 cbs as the wing backs are always up the pitch). The wing backs make really good runs and confuse people and the formation gives you lots of opportunity to make long passes in space. I play it on attacking and it's the opposite of what people expect when it comes to 5atb. It's basically the Florenzi formation.

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No one's stopping from posting about your sick pro club plays or who you bought in manager mode. Go crazy.

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The Fut halloween event sucks major rear end.

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Is there an xbox one pro clubs with good posters?

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I'm 6-1 in the weekend league and this poo poo is still frustrating. Counter attacking is sucking the life out of the game. I'll stop at either 8 wins or 11 for the rewards. I don't know how people have time to play all these games. The time frame is poo poo for people in the US. It should go through into monday a bit.

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It's not even the counter attacking part of counter attacking that is the main issue. It's the fact that their entire line and CDM are always in perfect position under that tactic. I said earlier it's zero risk huge reward. Giving up space for build up play doesn't matter this year when your defense will stop any run and block any shot. Most goals in this edition come from exploiting a defender out of place instead of dribbling or playing smart passes like previous years. With counter attack the defenders are never out of place. Also even heading is becoming more difficult. Normally people use full backs to build up play offensively but more and more people have them set to stay back and on counter attack which means it's becoming increasingly harder to swing in a cross as full backs are always right on your wingersand defenders deflect nearly everything.

e- I have no regrets using my gimmicky 5 atb because it confuses people and absolutely shits on counter attacks

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This is an aside but I'm 8-3 in the weekend league at the moment. Is it me or does the Silver 3 rewards (what I'll get) look better than Silver 2?

10,000 coins, 1 x Premium Gold Players pack, 2 x Jumbo Premium Gold packs vs 15,000 coins, 1 x Mega pack, 1 x Rare Gold pack. I think the "worse" reward looks better Imo. I'll probably stop at 8 wins.

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I'm seriously debating getting the halloween akinfenwa card because I'm a big idiot. Gonna wait until after the weekend though when the stats come back down and all the halloween cards will (hopefully) plummet a bit.

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

Oh btw guys, list all your unneeded silver players now, due to the FUT champs silver qualification tourney people are willing to overpay for lovely silvers.

I use silver teams often in divisions and weekend league so I just waited til this fut champs qualification requirement and steamrolled everyone and qualified my first try. Even good players don't know what to do with silvers and build poor teams. Players used to playing with high rated golds think that their players can do anything and it doesn't work like that with a 74 rated player.

JunkDeluxe posted:

I've played a lot of FIFA the last 10 years. I feel like I am really struggling this year.

1) My guys make a lot fewer runs, and mostly just hanging around the border to the last 1/3.

2) My 85+ pace guys gets caught by 60 pace defenders all the time, even in full sprint with a long touch of the ball. I'm not going full pace squad, but it just seems a bit ridiculous.

3) The defenders are way too good. They vacuum the ball away from attackers way to easy. They just run full speed into the player and magically gets the ball.

4) Fouls are very rarely called unless the opponent does a sliding tackle. No point in having FK specialists, since you only get to use them once in every 8'th matches.
5) Some opponents use a very weird high pressure tactic where their guys are right on top of me all the time. Whenever i passed the ball they would insta-tackle me and get the ball. Very very rarely did they miss a tackle. Seemed like the bug last year where you could press two buttons, and your guy would auto-hunt and tackle the ballcarrier. Only played like 5-8 matches of these, but they were absolutely impossible to play against. I tried using high pressure myself, but nothing i tried came close to my opponents tactics.

I get it that I probably have to change my playing style, but the game seems very weird to me this year, and I have trouble coping :(

You could use custom instructions to force more runs, it doesn't feel that different to me from last year except wingers don't make good runs. As for pace they nerfed it after fifa 15 because people complained a lot about how overpowered it was. In reality they were just poo poo at defending and reading through balls. The fact everyone is close in pace now has sucked a good deal of fun out of the game but who knows if it's coming back because of "realism". Defenders are too good this year, its the most obvious flaw in the game and why you see people on counter attack and often using defensive/park the bus and counter attack. Be careful with your runs and make smart passes to beat defensive players. Even if you have a 99 strength player you'll only win running at a defender if you're at least shoulder to shoulder if not a little past them. I think fouls are alright imo but maybe thats because last year they were never called. There's no point in having a fk specialist because fks are extremely random this year. High pressure is not as bad as last year since intercepting is harder. Just pass smart and you'll leave a hole in their team, sometimes that requires crossing the ball across the pitch or doing a midfield cross/lobbed throughball to a player which I noticed bad players rarely do. If three people are coming towards your RB and you cross it to your LB you'll have a lot of free space cleared up.

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Oct 26, 2016

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IF Modeste is a better Diego Costa for only 18k. Really solid buy. When talking him up earlier I forgot to mention he has the finesse shot trait which is make or break for players finishing finesse shots this year imo. Last year it didn't matter cause everyone could hit them, this year you need the trait or a poo poo ton of curve. It's the safest way to finish a 1 on 1 if your striker has the trait. I also got IF Florenzi because I like my 5atb team a lot and he's made for the wingback position. Since he can play literally anywhere on the pitch he's going to serve as my super sub from now on in every squad as well. This week IF Keita looks crazy and will probably bump Goretzka out of my Bundesliga squad. Kalinic is the sleeper pick of the lot though. 96 positioning with 91 finishing is crazy for a card that will be basically discard. Put engine on him and he'll be really good.

Does anyone have a halloween card/thinking about getting one? I'm going to wait til after the event is over to buy any of the cards I want. I'm hoping it will be a rise and then big decline. I might get screwed by waiting though.

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Yeah all it's all anecdotes but whenever I play against Kante he's a pest. One of the few player who can actually intercept the ball this year. He's definitely the pricier Ramires replacement,

emanresu tnuocca posted:

The discrepancy between OVR and actual player stats\performance in 17 is probably the worst it's ever been

Bummer to hear lacazette isn't very good, he was awesome the past two years. You definitely do need to dig deep into the stats and find which ones are important to you. For instance I just got rid of IF Immobile for 25k and picked up IF Kalinic for 12k and Kalinic is way better. If you just looked at the face stats they'd seem about equal but Kalinic has way more stats that I prefer and plays much better. For instance they both have 85 shooting but I prioritize positioning + finishing, then shot power, then everything else is secondary (I rarely take long shots with my strikers if they're in a one striker formation and I couldn't give a gently caress about penalties). Kalinic's stats are 96 positioning, 91 finishing, 82 shot power. Immobile is 83, 87, 89. He's doens't make near as good runs and isn't as clinical. He could definitely do more damage from range but that's not what I'm after. Kalinic offers better physical attributes and passing for worse pace and dribbling (which is a fine trade off for a target man). But since Kalinics shooting and physical stats are so good I just put engine on (+pac, pas, dri) and he's very very good. I'm dribbling through defenses with ease now somehow (even better than when I had sniper on Immobile). Give him a try if you have a serie A team. Elite run making and finishing for 12k is a steal. I actually don't put stay central on him like I do most solo forwards because his runs are good enough that he doesn't get out of place.

Also if Matuidi let you down give Verratti a try. He's a similar make of player but with elite dribbling and playmaking to make up for getting bullied sometimes. He was a standout for me last year.

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 28, 2016

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For the record I use get in behind and press the back line on Kalinic otherwise he can drop back more than i'd like with his workrates. Doesn't matter much though in the 4411 I have because you should be using a CF who can score.

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Apparently a bunch of people got banned this week for coin selling/buying because of buying/selling lovely bronzes and silvers for 10k. That was the way that coin sellers used to move coins but apparently, EA introduced SBCs, something that they have to have known would cause this sort of buying and selling, but they didn't change their algorithm for finding "cheaters". Also I managed to complete that one SBC needing just one birmingham player for 2.5k and packed.........................

http://www.futhead.com/17/players/50643/carlos-izquierdoz/

I can't complain though. I'm way up on packs from sbcs this year. OTW Mane, Mahrez, Sterling at the beginning of the game etc.

e- also yea sbcs have always let you use golds if a team has them, silvers are not always allowed. Hope you didn't get burned too bad.

e2- I'm gonna hold onto that lovely IF because his sell price is the same as discarding him and I would not put it past EA to have a squad builder where a first owner IF was required to spur a massive pack buying and print money.

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I bought Halloween Akinfenwa because I like trashing people with odd/low level cards and teams. I built a standard EPL squad around him though (walcott LW naturally). I got him today because I think most of the halloween cards are actually at their lowest now as everyone undercut eachother majorly yesterday and today. He was 100-150k all week and I got him today for 75k. I know he's bronze but I only see the card increasing in the future because of the novelty. I got the halloween sneijder card as well for 40k, I might lose a little on that one but I thought he would be fun to use this weekend in a false 9. I'm gonna do the big man dance on everybody and rack up some rage quits.

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Oct 30, 2016

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I'm 6-2 right now. Going to hit 8 then stop. Busy again. 8 will get me silver for the month. I wish I had more time to play this because my record has been pretty good. Haloween Akinfenwa is a lot of fun. He does somehow feel noticeably stronger than players like Modeste. He has a weird trait that I haven't seen on many strikers which is "backs into player". It's actually really cool he often stops his runs to back down a player to receive a ball which can be good or bad. It means less options to pick out a through ball but he allows an outlet to pass around the box that a lot of strikers don't and his shield the ball doesn't get broken with his strength and balance. Also for some reason he wins like 90% of headers from kick off despite being 5'10. I think the backs into player has something to do with it. It'll be a bummer when the boosts go because with the 80 pace he's crazy. Not better than IF Modeste or anything but he provides a really fun and different way of playing.

Halloween Sneijder is the best CAM/CF I've used however. Best shooting I've used yet, 5* weakfoot, and he now has 80 strength which was always one of his big weaknesses. I have him in a false 9 and he's doing awesome with super average players around him. Both cards are up from when they bought them so I hope I don't lose coins despite there being a risk. Even if I lose 10-30k or whatever it's worth it to try out these cards imo.

Did no one else pick any up?

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Oct 30, 2016

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Filthee Fingas posted:

He's the reason why I stocked up on a full catalog of superlig players from each team. Just waiting for them to do a SBC league for Sneijder.

Well I would try the halloween version while you still can! Out of all the cards I think his will drop the least because it was already very lowly priced and he doesn't have another IF/is the best CAM in the superlig.

e- Went 8-3. I'm done for the day but EA actually added another day because of server issues last night so maybe I'll get some more games in later. Also anyone who does park the bus + counter attack for 120 mins and loses on penalties should be banned from online play for a month

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Modeste hat trick, sell sell sell.

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Seltzer posted:

I bought Halloween Akinfenwa because I like trashing people with odd/low level cards and teams. I'm gonna do the big man dance on everybody and rack up some rage quits.

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Stefan Prodan posted:

Any suggestions for upgrades? I have 55k.

Thinkin about just saving for the IF Hernandez to replace Coman, eventually saving up for Aubamayeng or Reus

https://www.easports.com/fifa/ultimate-team/web-app/show-off?showoffId=dEZ8dEq9nMn4d:FFA17PS4

Draxler is one of the few players I haven't used that is consistently good when playing against me. Speaking of I've ran into Martial so many times and he's poo poo, anyone else noticed that? IF Hernandez is good but always over priced. I'd say get Aubameyang but wow, he's overpriced. Bundesliga kind of sucks for strikers now that I look at it. IF Modeste is the only cheap + actually good option that isn't super slow. My Bundesliga team is becoming my second squad as I naturally gravitated towards the bargains in serie a again. Realistically any upgrade I could do on my Bundesliga team aside from what I have would be like 100k for non in form players. It's stupid. I did get IF Keita for my 433(2) though and he is really good. 99 Stamina 82 pace +80 interceptions. Really good to have to offset Alonso's pace.


Johnny Lawrence posted:

I don't understand the game this year, everyone is playing this "park the bus nonsense", it's boring. So if you want to win some games, you have to also use this OP tactic, who makes the matches an absolutely crapfest, if you insist to play with a little bit of ambition, you have like 60/40 possession, 12 shots against 2, and you lose by two goals.

EA needs to change something, at least the stamina of players who use this "park the bus/contain" should be very low in the end of the matches.

Arghhhh, and why this year is - on the PS4 - the changing players by the right stick totally absurd, it don't change the player that i want. Is someone experiencing the same nightmare as me or, is everything fine with this world/butterfly/beautiful game.

I don't have a problem with player switching but I think I'm used to broken player switching and I have it set to through balls only. I've ranted about why the game is frustrating it's current state and I don't want to keep harping on it. Long story short, defense is too powerful, intercepting is too weak. Counter attacking (which many people confuse with park the bus. It keeps your whole backline and CDM glued outside your box. It can be coupled with park the bus to make it worse but it looks like parking the bus even on attacking) went from an option in previous fifas to THE option and it's simply not fun to play with or against. I have two teams set up in a way that I can still win a lot without counter attacking myself/have fun while attacking, but coming up against the same teams with the same boring tactics is a big problem. The two teams are my 433(2) Bundesliga squad and my 5212 serie a/ghana squad. It's not a coincidence the only teams I can use successfully without counter attack on are naturally defensive already. Those two formations on attacking are still a lot more fun than a 41212 on counter attack though.

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Has anyone got even close to scoring a freekick this year? I'll hit 1 bar 25 yards out with someone with 85 fk accuracy and it will still fly all over the place. Also How is bellarabi as a RW? I have Traore there atm and he's the only big weakpoint in the squad.

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Stefan Prodan posted:

The way that I player switch is I almost always hit L1 first no matter what while holding the left stick towards the goal so I don't move anyone out of position, that gets me in the general area and THEN I use the right stick to pick someone from there since I'm already sort of anchored and know who I'll be switching to with a lot more accuracy.

For example, if you give up the ball and are defending a counter attack and currently have a striker or CAM selected, it's gonna be really hard to accurately switch back with the right stick to who you want, but if you just hit L1 you'll probably switch to the CDM or someone and then you can switch from there since your player is pretty centrally located relative to the ball.

Re: Keita, IF Keita looks good and I would consider him but I already have Vidal who stat-wise is pretty insane although frankly he's been trash at long shots every time I've tried to take one with him. It's probably just small sample size but I haven't been able to get a single good long shot off with him and I had scored a few with fuckin Bender before who has like 60 long shots.

I might grab him for a sub though.

I think I do the same thing as you when it comes to player switching, I just couldn't put it into words. As I said fifa's player switching has been janky for years so I'm just used to it. I definitely use a combination of the shoulder button and stick (which shouldn't be necessary but it's what works). Keita is very good and would be excellent in any 433 or the 41212(2) but you use the normal 41212 so he probably doesn't have a spot since he's best suited as a CM.

vivisectvnv posted:

i've hit a few with promes and tosic


Any pointers? It doesn't work at all like the previous years in my experience.

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I picked up 3 lovely gold movember cards for 15k. I don't see there not being a SBC for them since they have next to no worth as it stands and new SBCs are due tomorrow when the halloween ones all end. Either there will be an amazing card and I'll cash in or they will all shoot up to 60k and I'll cashout (or nothing will happen and I'll look stupid). I also got a welsh 11 with some golds in there for dirt cheap and liverpool, swansea and stoke players banking on Joe Allen winning the player of the month award. I'm not gonna pretend to know how that award is picked but fan votes only account for 10%. I think Allen had a better month than hazard especially considering the context but again I could look like a fool on that but I got everything cheap.

Movember Gomis isn't half bad for the record.

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I gave Menez a try the other night based on advice here. He's definitely really really good and is a perfect example of a card that plays way above it's rating. Unfortunately,I didn't like the rest of the squad so I'm sidelining him for now. Speaking of cards that play above their rating, there has to be something wrong with Renato Sanches card. "Stats in good places" does not explain the whole story, his interceptions and tackling/positioning to tackle is nearly unrivaled when I play against him yet his marking is 72, interceptions 80, standing tackle is 71. It does not add up at all. Anyways, every time I get too many coins I spend it on stupid poo poo. I'm going to buy IF Al Soma now because his card looks awesome and he was great for me last year. A player that tall and strong with 4* skills is extremely rare and fun to use. Too bad all the good Saudi players got downgraded this year.

Weekend league is definitely easier than qualifying or divisions. It might be because I put zero pressure on myself because I gently caress around with dumb teams and don't care that much because I'm not going to finish 40 games in three days and I'm not obsessed with getting a certain rank. I'm sure a lot of people I'm playing are concerned about those things and play worse because of it. Also you get like 12 chances at getting in a week. I would only try 4 times max if I was struggling then give up but I guarantee tons of people only care about weekend league qualification and even if they're really bad the odds of qualifying over 12 or so tries is pretty good.

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I was gonna make something with Ben Arfa + Menez but hes too expensive for a budget squad.

Stefan Prodan posted:

Ran into Hektic fuckin jukez himself at weekend league. Only lost 3-1 I'm the best!!!!!

It really is crazy to play people who are like good at dribbling though, I felt like I had huge pressure on him a lot and he just always managed to dribble out of it.

Did he do anything out of the ordinary or just everything correct? Also I assume he was on counter attack right?

IF Al Soma is really awesome but his links are so poo poo. He has the rare strength + balance combo which tall players usually never have. I might make a sub spot for him.

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I sold most of my expensive stuff and players I don't use for Black Friday. I'm holding onto all my bundesliga cards and all my EPL cards though (EPL is used in like every other squad builder so that pays to wait). Hoarding all the cards you don't use for SBCs is ok but I just get tired of waiting and stuff clogging up my club. Most SBCs have been adjusted to be easier/less predictable recently and have been cheap to do so waiting to use cards seems extra pointless now. I have 5 movember cards just sitting though. Two golds at discard, Fletcher for my scottish team at 10k and I packed one bronze one and bought another bronze one for 2.5k BIN. They haven't done any boosts to the cards or required them for anything yet, but I honestly can't see them not becoming more important. My guess is they let the cards out there for awhile without anything going on so they're affordable before they announce anything as to avoid a scenario like halloween where the cards were all 80k for most of the event. The one dicey investment I might make is picking up a OTW Dembele card. It's steadily dropped to about 60k. He's having an ok season nothing spectacular but his card would be great if he got an IF.

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Filthee Fingas posted:

Yeah I'm on that slippery slope. I'm still bag holding 5 OTW Dembele (If he only played the entire match, Im certain he would have scored another for an IF that week). Rather than sell them, I'm doing what I do with all investments. Doubling Down and buying more OTW Dembele's on the cheap. I'll probably pick up another 2-3 so my overall avg. cost drops.

I've watched a bunch of Dortmund this season. As I said his season has just been ok so I'd be wary going crazy on picking up his cards. The other problem is he's going to start more irregularly/get subbed on more as all the injured players start coming back. I think Reus is going to start playing soon for instance.

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I qualified for the WL again but there were so many bad goals for both me and my opponent it was a joke. I scored a 90 degree volley with De Rossi after he assisted himself by bouncing the ball off his shoulder and I scored a near post longshot by accident. My opponents goals were even shittier some how. I'll probably not have time to play much again though, I got 5 games in last time and went 3-2.

The game feels a bit different now. At least in the qualifying tournaments. It felt like attacking was easier for both parties? It might be because I sold my IF defenders and went to a 41212(2) with pacey strikers. I finally set both of them to get in behind and press the backline and it made a world of difference. I've stayed away from tactics for the most part besides stay back on CDMs and stay central on STs in a 433. I guess I should mess around with it a bit more. Anyways to all Bundesliga users this card looks like a sleeper pick.

http://www.futhead.com/17/players/50823/kevin-vogt/

CDM to CB change. He has high dribbling and passing for a CB and despite his average defending he's quick, 6'4 ,and strong. I think with sentinel he might kick Sokratis out of my squad. The high/high on Sokratis is annoying and Toprak is just a lot better for me so he's staying. Toprak's 5* weakfoot and 75 short pass is really great on top of his other stats.

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They added two new league SBCs, Ligue 1 and Pro league. It means my hunch was right, they will keep rolling these out and they will likely do one big league and one smaller league each time. I assume La Liga and EPL will be the last ones. Hopefully Bundesliga is next but I don't know if EA wants to unleash an Aubameyang card into the wild yet. I'm seriously debating stocking up on Serie A and Turklig squads during black friday now. Both will be cheap. An all Juve squad doesn't even cost that much. Bayern was harder.

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DoctaFun posted:

Once I have a bigger bank roll I might have to do this. I'm guessing most teams in Serie A, Bunde, LaLiga could be done for darn near discard.

I went up 4-0 in a game last night and almost lost, so that happened.

Then I hit L2 on my transfer target list of 40 dudes with a full transfer list so I had to stop playing games until I sell some dudes :(.

It costs roughly 60-90k to do (the bonus is when marquee matchups and SBCs that need strong links pop up I have a lot of players the meet the requirements and I just rebuy them on the cheap when the SBC ends). Serie A has so many cheap golds and the turklig will probably only cost ~50k since they have so many silver and bronze starters. I've got 300k atm and a sneaky trade scheme that I should profit 100k on next week so I think I'll go through with building the starting 11s for the two leagues. Black friday will obviously be the best time to do it. People will be liquidating their clubs and you won't have to pay 2k for obscure silver keepers and stuff like that.

Also I completed the Overmars SBC. It was dicey because I had 3 of the 4 rare players needed for the eredivisie portion. I spent 9k on the last player so I could've profited basically 30k if I didn't do the challenge but I'm glad I did. I packed nainggolan who sells for a cool 40k and I got a ton of sellable golds in all the other packs. Overmars is very good but the weirdest part is how good he is at dribbling. People always talk about how legends play above their stats and overmars definitely does, at least when it comes to the dribbling. He has this weird trait/feature where he's able to change directions drastically while dribbling without slowing down at all, it's not agility he actually has a special animation that I have not seen on any other player. I have Thiago with 89 dribbling in my team and Overmars is better at 88. I'll try to show what I'm talking about in a .gif but it's hard to describe and makes dribbling so much easier.





Really lovely .gifs but you can get the idea. In this first one he turns 45 degrees with the ball without pausing. That's not a scoop turn


Same Idea here. The first and third jukes on the defender he is doing the no delay turning with the ball move before the assist.

Picking him up honestly might be worth the coins because his ability to move unlike any other player is devastating and game changing. Shame about no 4 star skills though. The move is hard to describe, it has the same effect as a scoop turn but requires no input, is quicker, and keeps the ball closer to the player.

Lastly I was looking for players to link to Al Soma and when I found out the guy with the third best long shots in the game was a Saudi League silver I naturally converted him into a CAM and made a hybrid.


This guy. http://www.futhead.com/17/players/34437/victor-ayala/

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Nov 11, 2016

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El Jebus posted:

Been considering an IF Immobile, but now there are two. Is the 85 rated worth the extra 30k over the 83 rated at 20k?

I would say yes, definitely. The first IF was a bit underwhelming for me personally.

Dirk Pitt posted:

Why will people liquidate on Black Friday? I keep forgetting the event.

On black friday tons of cheap packs roll out that put a huge dent in the market. People sell their players to afford the packs and also they get a ton of players in packs so the market gets flooded. Every player under 80 (barring renato sanches) will be discard and all the high end cards will lose anywhere from 30-50% if the previous year is an example. Prices rebound quite a bit and then tank again near Christmas.

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DoctaFun posted:

You can't just hint at a double secret trading strategy without giving more info! PM if you want to talk trading sometime, I love talking that stuff but everyone here gets jimmy rustled if you go too long without talking about pro clubs.

Everytime you tell someone a trading method it becomes shittier even if it's just a few people. I'll let you know enough to make it work though. Basically weekend league qualification often has restrictions on what teams you can use. You can see those requirements ahead of time in the weekend league hub. Next week you will be required to use one nationality teams and silver teams. People do not plan ahead for this like marquee match ups. Tons of normal people just want to qualify and see the requirements day of. For the one nation requirement target a position in a popular nation that has a dearth of players. I didn't pick this one but Eder of portugal will probably double in price for instance, he's the best of only two gold Portuguese strikers. For the silver thing just pick up pacey and or good 72-74 silvers and they will double and even triple in price. It's that simple. I won't flat out tell you who I picked but you should figure out enough to make coins yourself. Futbin even shows you how hard silvers spiked last time they were a requirement.

Seltzer
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Tzen posted:

Also note, with Black Friday deals, it won't affect IF cards at all.

It does. just by a lesser amount. Legends alone lost like 35% or more of their value last year.

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Nov 13, 2016

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I've just been really busy each weekend. 40 games is too much even with the extended time. I only managed 5-3 this time. EA should just drop it to 20 games. I think most people would be in favor of that. I guarantee EA is burning people out on their game having them chase the reward carrot over 40 games. Even if I had nothing to do friday saturday and sunday I still don't want to play 40 games of fifa.

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I'm going to wait until the one nation requirement comes up to try and qualify. I don't really do one league squads. The one I have (Bundesliga) is good but I'm finding the formation more and more frustrating as the game has tilted towards defensive/counter attack. Alonso's ability to split players with passes and drop amazing long balls doesn't really matter any more when the opponent concedes you the midfield and has their fullbacks back marking any deep runs from wingers. Wingers in general are starting feel worthless as well. I'm using them more as a distraction rather than to cross for a header or actually, you know, scoring a goal. I could mess with custom settings some more but wingers just flat out feel like a disadvantage in this version of the game. I'm gonna give a French 41212(2) a runout with Menez, Dabo, Ben Yedder and co. Ben yedder helped me qualify last week and is quality. I also picked up IF Nzonzi on the cheap to play as a CDM. His stats are outrageous and looks like a perfect fit for the position.

Despite maintaining a 2-1 win loss ratio the state of the game right now is starting to wear on me. It's become the negative football simulator 17 and they really need to patch that. With Nba2k17 dropping to 30 bucks this week I might get off fifa for awhile. If anyone has a custom tactics/formation that allows you to play attacking football all game without being at a severe disadvantage let me know. Breaking down the permanently locked in place back four is a chore already, having to set myself on counter attack and play boring formations in order to win is adding to the annoyance. Remember in fifa 13 and 15 when you could play in a variety of formations with all types of players and win?

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012

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2.8 gb patch and no gameplay changes. Don't worry they fixed Coutinho's hair and you can play the Journey in German now though!

Seltzer
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Made mint on my first trading tip. I sold a ton of 350 coin players for 1.8-2.5k. I even bought a few Eder's to see if my example tip was right. I bought a few for 600 sold for 1500, not bad. Now to blow it all on IF Bolasie and IF Martinez.

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 16, 2016

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Oct 11, 2012

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The monthly rewards dropped..... I got silver for the month and pulled dwight gayle. Cool I guess but I'm never going to get to gold cards since I just won't play the amount of games required. Can't complain about the free card though.

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Stefan Prodan posted:

Def gonna try the weekend league qualifier trading thing, that's a good idea

Do the prices just immediately plummet again the next day?

Yea there's a short window to make max profit (first few hours) but then you can still make a good amount over the day and into the next. I've got like 60 silvers sitting on the trade pile right now. I will probably average 1-3k profit off of each one not counting recouping the purchase cost. I'm going to dump all of that into building a starting 11 for each serie a and rpl team the week of black friday though. (those will be the last full leagues I complete, the process is not awful but a tad long. I like and use those two leagues and along with my Bundesliga starting 11s I'm bound to hit a league SBC soon.)


emanresu tnuocca posted:

Am I the only one feeling the WL burn? There's something about that whole thing that somewhat feels like a chore, I know it's stupid but it's the competitive\ranked nature of that whole thing that kind of compels you to play more games than you actually would want.

I think I'm just gonna give this weekend a pass.


I'm annoyed the game number required to play is so high but I just made peace with the fact that I don't have the time or desire to play anything close to 40 games. To me it's a midweek tourney and the opportunity to get some nice bonuses throughout the week. I don't stress about all the stuff I could be missing out on. Even if you just win five games you get 7.5k and two premium gold packs. Not a bad bonus for just a few games. I've never been one to fall into the trap of either paying for content in games or grinding for it despite that being every games model these days basically. I can understand why people would want to chase the reward carrot as they do start to get crazy higher on. I'm not burnt out yet, but that's because of the way I play. I play 5-15 games generally and I often use my fun squads. I honestly don't know if it's because I'm a good player/my opponents are bad or if it's psychological but I swear that my fun squads do nearly as well as my tryhard squads in weekend league. I got two separate messages accusing me of handicapping because I beat people with my Saudi hybrid squad that has a whole 4 silvers in the team and an all gold bench. I think my gimmick squads work for a couple reasons, your opponent thinks you're better than you are and put too much pressure on, they don't know your players stats and attributes because they only build/see EPL squads and can't mark your players correctly, and I'm playing mostly for fun.

I beat the one nationality qualifier first time of asking with a french squad. To whoever recommended Dabo, good call. A very very nice card. I only found his balance and sometimes passing to be an issue but he popped up at least twice for goals and was very defensively sound. IF Nzonzi is awesome and has excellent passing stats which I like on a CDM. I think I might solely stick to attempting the qualifiers with restrictions, they're more fun to play and easier to qualify in. It punishes the crowd that only use a 90 pace EPL squad and squad fitness items every other game.


Speaking of silvers the reward Gayle card I got is actually really good and I'll definitely put him in some squads.

4 goals in the first game (my opponent was poo poo).

Seltzer fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Nov 18, 2016

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Oct 11, 2012

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Looks like EA officially wants people to stop speculating the poo poo out of the marquee matchups. Each one only requires one player from each team.

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