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ChesterJT posted:The guy who was trying to get a job as a drug courier with a criminal organization to fix all his life problems? Because that was surely going to work out great for him and his family. I know plenty of people who have been in the unfortunate situation where they've had to do some dodgy things to get by. Sometimes it's for their kids, other times it's just to get them out a rough patch, and if they could do something else they would. It's kinda lovely that the show re-enforces your belief that you should judge people so harshly for the roles they've been pushed into.
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404notfound posted:Have they done "very special" episode like this one before? Not to trivialize the issue, but even with all the usual humor weaved in, it felt a little heavy-handed. They said they didn't want to make the moment where he was profiled for being black a joke, it was too serious of a moment that was inspired by a real moment where Terry Crews got ripped off a plane because they thought he was a drug dealer. They had a dark, a very real moment, and that was separated from the funny ha ha jokes. I thought they balanced it really well, but I could see how it could be jarring. I don't really see how they could've handled it better, and I personally really enjoyed the episode, much more than a lot of others to be honest.
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May 3, 2017 12:48
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I agree that it's fine to criticize something, but you literally saidTiny Brontosaurus posted:Exactly, which is why I'd rather they just didn't touch racial profiling, however good their intentions may have been. Drifter posted:Except that it kinda was though. It was an incredibly clumsy attempt to go "really makes u think, am i rite?" What would you have them do differently? I mean if they resolved it fully and the police dude got fired or whatever, that would be super messed up and send the wrong message, unless there's a different way to resolve you're thinking of? It definitely was rough at balancing real and serious topics with the standard light hearted situational comedy.
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May 10, 2017 18:42
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I am not the one Charlesthehammer was bitching about, duder. I also didn't say this episode was "the worst," I quite liked Holt's speech to Terry. Calm the gently caress down. I wasn't even talking about charles, I'm an independent person with thoughts and feelings. People aren't all ganging up on you just because we both have some disagreements with some of what other posters have to say. I think it's ironic you're telling people to calm down in a very uncalm manner, as a wise wint once said "and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad." Then you insist that you don't think the episode is the worst and say, "to improve the episode they could have just not made it, it not existing would be an improvement". Like honestly, I hate people shutting down actual conversation in TVIV, but the only one doing that here is you when you just fly off the handle and start calling everyone an idiot for asking you to expand on your thoughts. All you're doing here is "this is absolute bad, nothing could be done to improve, please everyone stop talking about it, thanks in advance". I think you do have good opinions a lot of the time, but you're just completely refusing to engage in conversation, instead you're playing the victim and doubling down on "it's bad because I said so", instead of actually talking to us. Take a breath and try not being so hostile, because I, for one, actually want to hear what you have to say, as long as you can explain your thoughts when asked or at least not resort to a slap fight the second someone disagrees with you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 10, 2017 19:39
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hoooooly poo poo dude, take a deep breath. If I'm "hostile" it's because I stepped in to defend somebody from a gooning and got ganged up on for my efforts. I've written a lot about what I liked and didn't like about the episode. I do think it's a topic they shouldn't have tried to address, and thinking so doesn't mean I'm slapping sweaty hands on the keyboard going WORST. EPISODE. EVER. because I'm a regular person and not a caricature that lives in your fevered mind. You seem to feel very attacked that I didn't think the episode was handled well, but unless I'm greatly mistaken I don't think you worked on it, so maybe you should take a step back and try to calm down a little. Geez man, I only ever see you over reacting to stuff, and you always get super defensive like this. It's a shame because I can't convince you that I actually value your opinions, and honestly it makes me a bit upset that I can't read them without you going off the handle. You're a good person but gosh diddly darn do you overreact in very unproductive ways. You're not getting "ganged up" on. Two people disagreeing with your points and asking you to explain them further is not "ganging up", it's not a dog pile. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm literally just asking you to explain your thoughts in more detail so we can stay on topic instead of resorting to a slap fight with you just responding to every post with "actually, you are the one who is mad". I'm not being disingenuous when I say I want to hear your opinions, but I definitely think your faux offence is getting tiring and nobody wants to read it. Would you like to talk about the episode in further detail or would you like to unleash more of your aggression on me? If you want to do the latter, it's probably best to take it to PMs.
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May 10, 2017 20:07
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Drifter posted:Honestly? Don't do it at all. They're trying to somehow channel a zeitgeist while also keeping their show the exact same as before - full of hilarious jokes and puns and useless idiot cops who fun/luck their way into success or non-critical failure. Yeah I definitely agree with this. I'm not sure if it would be better to not do it at all, because I think there's a chance it might plant the seed into someone's head of this type of systematic racism exists, who otherwise might not have known anything whatsoever about it, but I definitely agree with all your criticisms. Then again, maybe you are completely right and the format of the show absolutely does not lend itself to this specific story, and maybe actually it pushes more bad ideas better than it does good ones. I might have to rewatch it, as a white person it's easy for me to forgive harmful errors or missteps that I might not if I was more affected by racism; sometimes it's easy for me to defend something that's more harmful than good just because I think it's "trying". My hypothesis is that it was shoehorned in as an episode because Terry Crews specifically said he wanted to do this episode based on his own experiences, unless I'm misremembering that article someone posted a while back, and the writers either let Terry have too much control, not enough, or didn't work with him well enough to deal with it better.
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May 10, 2017 21:10
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Drifter posted:Sorry to double post/quote, but why would that be sending the wrong message? At worst it would be somewhat hypocritical given the 99's regular actions and activities to suspects over the length of he show, but why would firing an abusive and racist cop be a bad message to send to viewers? Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that the cop shouldn't have gotten fired, definitely should have obviously, I just mean that the wrong message would be them putting in the complaint, the officer getting fired, then saying "oh racism is resolved now, thank god we got that one out the way", because it would be saying that racism isn't a real problem, it's just a bureaucratic error that can be fixed by the people at the top; which is why I liked how it wasn't neatly wrapped up and completely resolved at the end, showing this is a large and on-going problem that can't just be solved with 20 minutes of hijinks. Hopefully that makes sense, I haven't eaten since breakfast which probably isn't helping me word good. It would probably fit in more with the general vibe of the show if they completely and neatly resolved it like any other conflict, but that seems to be the main problem, like you were saying. curse of flubber fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 21:25
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Jastiger posted:The point is that Jastiger liked all episodes and that the episode in question was good. Case closed. Moving on. 
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May 11, 2017 00:46
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:For like the third time, I already posted my opinions on this episode. You're free to read them at any time. And if you want to talk meltdowns maybe look to Megaspel, who's spamming thousands of words into my inbox and following me around the forums. You keep following my post history and calling me a stalker every time I post in any thread. You insulted me over PMs after I tried to reach out and explain that my criticism was not coming from a place of hatred. Drop this dumb poo poo and leave me alone. It's fine to not like an episode of TV, I completely agree with a lot of people's criticisms about the episode, maybe they shouldn't have attempted it, but jesus christ drop this poo poo. Stop following me to call me a stalker and spreading poo poo about me. You've said your opinions, they are valid opinions. You told me to never talk to you again after calling me a creepy racist, so please return me the same favour and stop your weird vendetta.
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May 11, 2017 01:27
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When was Brooklyn 99 transphobic? Or is that a weird dig? Anyway I think we can all agree my new avatar is less annoying than my old uncensored avatar that everyone seemed to get mad about. This is my first red text, but I don't know if it's from Bronto, it could just be one of the racist trolls who browse TGRS looking to stir up poo poo. Maybe this is an inevitable conclusion to any thread about a sitcom which doesn't usually have much to discuss. As imperfect as the show can be, these characters will always cheer me up.
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May 11, 2017 03:17
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CharlestheHammer posted:What the gently caress are you talking about Now you are the one who is melting down. They made excellent reasoned points that I wouldn't mind talking about in the morning. I know I am usually willing to give anything a pass for even trying, so it's very helpful we have someone willing to be critical as well as informative. You don't seem to have offered anything helpful to the thread. Just to clarify, we're not talking about the latest episodes.
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May 11, 2017 06:52
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TommyGun85 posted:the racial profiling episode one was not funny and had nothing new to bring to the racial profiling situation other than "maybe some black cops dont want to shed a light on it so they dont hinder their own career advancement". This can also apply to sexual harrassmentbin the workplace. If you're going to make an episode like this in a sitcom, either make it hilarious or make it thought provoking. This one was neither. The serious Fresh Prince episodes were very good, and definitely had a big impact on me as a kid. I looked it up and apparently that was right up on episode 6 in the first season. I think Fresh Prince dealt with serious subject incredibly well, and was setup from the beginning to support talking about them, and it's an excellent example of using the contrast between whacky characters and serious moments well. It felt much more like it was an actual goal of the writers to bring those ideas and experiences to the masses using the show, whereas B99 is not set up for that at all. Yeah I'm really not a fan of Gina any more. The cement thing was probably the final nail. They're just making her a one note character and then having all her punchlines be about a single attribute about her, it feels a lot like Flanderization, but all the jokes are just "ha ha this character has this single bad trait that defines her", like we're supposed to laugh at them parodying their own character.
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I don't know how I feel about Andy Samberg outside of Brooklyn 99. He's pretty good, but I don't know if I really like him as the main dude. He's great when he has other great actor to work with but if it's too focused on him I get a bit sick of him after a while.
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