Prism posted:

It's Finnish, and it's Stellar Industrial Consolidated, if I'm reading it right. Stellar Industries?

Crazycryodude posted:

AJ as much as I appreciate your attempt to make us both happy, TYW and KTT have fundamentally different design philosophies, and mixing their designs would mean a less effective fleet overall. Mixing a neutron cannon escort with a mass driver cruiser or vice versa means mixing effective ranges, either splitting the fleet for max damage (so the escorts are no longer near the cruisers, obviously bad) or not being able to fully utilize one class or the other.

As to which company's designs are better, I'd obviously say TYW's but I think my reasons are valid beyond personal interest. We just sold the Bulrathi our shield tech so you can bet every Republic Credit you have that it'll start appearing in their new designs. Yes, the neutron cannons on the KTT designs are tuned to overload shields but the TYW mass drivers can ignore them completely, and from a much longer range at that. If the Bulrathi are still using missiles, the long range gives us plenty of time to detect and destroy them. If they start using beam weapons, we have the advantage as we can keep them at range while doing full damage and taking very little in return. If they start using mass drivers we're equally matched. In other words, in all imaginable situations mass drivers either give us an advantage or level the playing field, while neutron cannons put us at a disadvantage 2/3 times.

AJ_Impy posted:

Since when has armament procurement been sensible or reasonable? Vote stands.

nweismuller posted:

We are not naming a colony world 'Hegel'.

Crazycryodude posted:

Rather fond of New Babylon myself, changed vote (but still lodge formal protest in response the the distinctly undemocratic vetoing of Hegel).

nweismuller posted:

The Space Dragon in Pferd cuts off any colonisation in the system.

my dad posted:

We probably shouldn't have an armed/murderous reaction to info-ops

Theantero posted:

Also, could we maybe make a single scout and try to sneak it to scout the galaxy or something. Wondering who else is here in addition to the Bulrathi.

nweismuller posted:

As of the update I will put out, we also have orbital cannon batteries from Robotics, which I'm sure MechaCrash can comment on.

MechaCrash posted:

I didn't want to jump the gun, if you'll pardon the expression, but yes. Orbital cannon batteries cost more and have more firepower. And that's it.

Crazycryodude posted:

A TYW rep will be by later (i.e. whenever I get time to sit down and write/think), but skimming over what's been proposed I see a major flaw in KTT's designs - the mass drivers are all mounted in fixed forward arcs. The entire philosophy behind a mass driver fleet is to keep the range open so we can take advantage of the fact that they don't lose damage over distance. Building ships that can only fire their main battery while charging the enemy headlong is basically the exact opposite of our fleet doctrine right now.

nweismuller posted:

MIIW, incidentally: 'Multiple independently intercepting warheads'.

E: Friend Commuter, you appear to have made calculation errors with the Landsknecht, Slingshot, and Javelin proposals. I can get the Landsknecht and Slingshot within mass by dropping one PD mass driver each from them; the Javelin, I don't see any way to make work.

nweismuller posted:

The Javelin is still over mass, but either losing the KKV or adding battle pods will address that.

nweismuller posted:

On review of the submissions, the Defense Department awards design contracts to Miller-Douglass Industries for the Peacemaker battleship and the Benjamin Hornigold counter-piracy frigate, while awarding contracts to Teyer-Young Weltraumwerke for the Battleaxe space control cruiser and Chevalier frigate escort. I will proceed to finish the update.

nweismuller posted:

Do you mean Cato?

Crazycryodude posted:

Holy poo poo they killed a BILLION people, and on the homeworld to boot. That's not something you forgive without at least a few centuries to cool off. Also the kind of thing that makes you way more xenophobic about who you let inside your borders.

Crazycryodude posted:

I don't want to dictate how you write you fluff, Nweiss, and I know you like to keep it pretty optimistic, but drat. Early occupations of Bulrathi worlds won't be pretty, especially if any of the units involved are Earth-based.

AJ_Impy posted:

Ion Fission, colonize, chevalier, Approve new designs but only after the Peacemaker II.

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

A twenty-year productivity stoppage is basically a whole new lost generation, which is depressing. That's what our Earth is going through.

my dad posted:

Advanced government - Now is certainly the right time for the Republic to start implementing certain changes
240 million - There is no such thing as overkill when fighting Bulrathi
Blockade Bulra and press the advantage further. - The sooner we can contain the Bulrathi, the easier the conquest will be.
Kalov - The advantages of potentially speeding up the end of the war are more significant than the disadvantages resulting from Bulrathi ops on Korga.
New Jamaica - The only real option for Etana.
Hybrid - Keep the industrial focus of the war economy, but redirect production towards colony ships instead.
Tyrannus followed by Marindi. Get that production and cash rolling in.
Spaceport - Since we're not going to be focusing on research for a bit longer, money is better.
Military scouts - I think we've learned the lesson about being unprepared for danger.


Proposal: Delay the ground assault on Bulra. The Bulrathi military on their homeworld is likely at its peak numbers and performance already, and having our frigate in orbit will be sufficiently disrupting to any sort of orbital military buildup. Let us instead conquer their other worlds before they get a chance to get a proper military force up and running. This may save tens of millions of both human and bulrathi lives. (Also, it would make the final assault on Bulra suitably climactic)

CommissarMega posted:

I say NAY to delaying the invasion- the sooner we cut off the head of the bear, the sooner this war is over, saving lives on both sides in the long run. Our only delays should be in building up an army to occupy Ursa.

my dad posted:

The fleet as a whole is due a redesign at the end of the War on Feudalism, anyway.

Veloxyll posted:

Man, remember when we were like "The bears just got dunked, lets not have a war eeeever again."
Now it's like "AN ALIEN IN A CLOAK. BURN THEIR WORLDS AND SALT THE GROUND."
Give peace a chance.

my dad posted:

I againt state my support for an Alliance with the Mrrshan. These valiant people need our support in these trying times.

(post made in case my vote before it became official doesn't count)

nweismuller posted:

Well, there are organised crime syndicates...

Crazycryodude posted:

I still think they sound shady as hell and we'd better nuke them before they nuke us - and that's assuming this isn't a bunch of BS fed to us by the Cabal/made up by the mob to get some free cash while screwing over the gullible outlanders.

MechaCrash posted:

This is from a page or two back, but I'm going to answer this and Kool-Aid Man through the fourth wall to do so.

The AI, as you may have noticed, is pretty cutthroat in this game. They are, for lack of a better term, aware of the fact that they are the AI in a game and there's only going to be one winner. Four races getting incalculably wealthy while their servant robots give them massages as they engage in full-immersion VR for whatever sort of third-generation decadence they can begin to imagine isn't seen by the game as a win state, it's a stalemate. One race scratching out an existence on a handful of burned out cinders because the rest of the galaxy is still on fire, however, is a victory, however Pyrrhic. So you can see which one they're going to prioritize.

The reason I'm being all "let's be friends with everybody but kill the Darloks" are two-fold: the first is simply that the Darloks are basically The Spy Guys, and out of the box Humans (which we are) suck at stopping spies. If we let the Darloks do what they want, they can have the run of our research, steal our star charts, sabotage our stuff, all kinds of things. Their strength is hitting us at our weakness, so if we crush them now while losing a planet to their shenanigans is an irritant and not a crippling blow, we'll be much better off.

The other reason is because I think it's funny to pick one race and go "man, gently caress those guys."

nweismuller posted:

"Still a prince should make himself feared in such a way that, though he does not gain love, he escapes hatred; for being feared but not hated go readily together. Such a condition he may always attain if he will not touch the property of his citizens and subjects, nor their women. And if he finds it necessary to take someone's life, he should do so when there is suitable justification and manifest cause..."

Veloxyll posted:

Have you beenj paying attentio0n to the thread. that is pretty much what some people have been advocating.

"Oh, the Darkloks are cautious and reserved and secretive. We should conquer them for their own good!"
GEE I WONDER WHY.

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

ManxomeBromide posted:

We assess with moderate confidence that the Republic is viewed as foolish and easily led, but extremely touchy and possessed of a terrible wrath if angered.

my dad posted:

The Maginot line got bypassed, not because of someone elses blame, but because it was inherently flawed as a concept in an era of mobile warfare.

The era of naval battleships ended in favor of a small core of specialist ships surrounded by a bajillion escorts. Which is what the Bauer doctrine is about. Remember, when our battleships(cruisers) fell against the Bulrathi armada, it was the destroyers that gave us a victory. And our troops transports were what gave them total, irrevocable defeat.

(Also, static defenses are notoriously squishy in MoO games past the first)

And let me remind you again, there is no such thing as a successful defensive war if the enemy can just bypass our defenses and blew up half the Earth with shapeshifting commadoes.

my dad posted:

Crazycryodude posted:

nweismuller posted:

One thing we'll have to consider in the near future is if we want to upgrade to a hyperspace phase cannon standard in Space Fleet. It's hypothetically possible now, but a little more physics research would make it significantly more viable, with access to a much more sophisticated selection of hyperspace phase cannon designs to mount. A hyperspace phase cannon-armed fleet would actually have to worry about shields on its targets, unlike our current fleet standard, and would be optimally-deployed at much shorter ranges, but would have significantly increased raw firepower.

Our current fleet composition is adequate to meet our strategic goals, and an upgrade would represent a major commitment of funds for research, drydock time, components manufacture, and so forth, so it's not so simple as just automatically leaping forward a technological generation in Space Fleet, here. Still, this is a matter for the Senate and the Popular Assembly to be aware of.

nweismuller posted:

Two systems can let us claim the four closest systems in the Core, with information as of 2620.