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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

He couldn't do that. This is where people miss it, they think he's doing any old random thing. He couldn't kill a bald eagle and get a vote his base would hate that. He could take a bald little black baby and grind it under his heel and his approval would go up. Because the "wacky" "random" bad stuff he says isn't just any old things, it's specific things that appeal to specific people that haven't had a direct voice in American politics for a while (because they shouldn't have a voice in a modern country) and have had decades of people talking around their values with codewords and stuff.

When he says he wants to take guns from black people, stop and frisk minorities and that women don't have the stamina to run a country he's not loving up, he's speaking to a huge population in america that isn't used to being spoken directly to. And it might well end up being a winning strategy if people ignore how many (terrible) people it resonates with.

And unless the election is an utter blowout in Clinton's favor, you can look forward to plenty more of this in 2020. The conventional wisdom for the last while has been that blatant race and culture war baiting is seriously detrimental to a candidate, but Trump has shot that naive little fancy dead.

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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

lfield posted:

He's also made it nigh impossible for the left to constructively criticize Clinton, since with regards to him, her policies barely matter. She isn't a literal crazy person. Not a fan of this Trump fellow.

Ahh yes, the gamergate effect.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Like every time he says something bigoted people are all "oopsy doopsy, he messed up! what a loon!" but he isn't messing up. There is a ton of Americans, millions of americans that hold horrible out dated values and he is speaking to them in a way candidates have not for a generation. And people ignore it or act like he's just craaaazy and not noticing how much speaking to that voter base wins him.

Well, until Trump tried it, the consensus was that dropping the dog-whistles and speaking unfiltered hate was political suicide. The fact that he's done it and still managed to keep anything like parity in the polls is both depressing as gently caress, and a clear signal that we can expect a to see more like him in the near future.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

But in a lot of ways that is a bubble and a lot of Americas flat out think 'racism is good" is a good opinion. full stop.

My point is that even GOP hopefuls were inside that bubble. For the last generation or so they've been more reserved, sticking to inference and coded language because they thought that's what one had to do if one wanted to stoke the racially motivated base while still keeping general election hopes alive. Trump has murderdd that idea by showing that nope, you can just say it outright! Your base will loving love you, and it appears that being an outright bigot isn't enough to condemn your electoral hopes in the year 2016.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Sep 27, 2016

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Skeesix posted:

It helps that she's still pretty nice to look at. It also helps that the Donald can't keep his big trap shut about how disappointed he was in her gaining weight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a853LxPREg

"... That didn't help at all!"

Mika Brzezinski reaction is pretty great. "Oh! Oh my god. Please Americ. I'm begging you."

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