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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

..Star Wars is bad?

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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I'm pretty sure Finn and that bloody hand storm trooper were loving.

Also what's happened to that Rebel movie that's supposed to come out and which as far as I can gather no one really seems to give a poo poo about? Though everyone will probably watch it because Star Wars.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 3, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Mulaney Power Move posted:

i thought it would be a rehash of the star strek: star trek review since mike initially said he loved it, and he doesn't say he loves anything. glad they went into another direction but he probably could have spent less time on the ring theory. i wonder if that was supposed to be some sort of mini plinkett review in itself.

Is ring theory the thing they do in CineD? SMG always seemed a bit crazier than that to me.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Krinkle posted:

Wow they humanized george lucas in the middle of all that by having him point out how disney is making GBS threads out product on a timetable and not going to take a risk, ever, unlike how he took risks on his awful, but ultimately arguably novel, prequels. And then showed him talking about his bad all black movie. So while my opinion of george lucas is still in the toilet, it's one of those real interesting shits that you take a picture of or call people in to see.

e: didn't like my phrasing there.

The prequels are more interesting than TFA by a long shot. That doesn't not make them terrible garbage though. TFA is a well-crafted piece of fan service.

I don't really understand the people who are properly nostalgic for the prequels though, and say that people who grew up with the original trilogy are nostalgic about that the same way younger people are nostalgic about the prequels. How young are they talking here? I mean I was 10 when the Phantom Menace came out and loved it because I was 10. Then I kinda came around when I hated Attack of the Clones when I saw it, same with Revenge of the Sith really. Anyway I was in my early teens when the prequels were coming out and can be said to have literally grown up with them, and in no way do I view them as superior to the original trilogy due to nostalgia or anything else really, and almost everyone I know my own age who likes Star Wars feels the same way (I've met one dude who I think was a ring theory guy at a party once).

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 3, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Killing Department posted:

I didn't like the review until it pointed out how many characters are gay.

Everyone's gay. except for Lando.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I think it's great that little girls want to dress up as an officer in a genocidal fascist organization who has no character outside of her costume and dies by getting thrown in the garbage

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Grondoth posted:

It worked for Boba Fett

yeah its basically the same thing. a character in a cool costume made to sell toys who does almost nothing in the movies and dies embarassingly.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Oct 3, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Waltzing Along posted:

After the long boring segment on ring theory I thought he would a Jar Jar Sith Lord bit but it never happened. Probably because it's an actual fascinating theory.

i always wondered what happened to palpatine's blue bureaucrat buddy, that guy always seemed to have his back.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

8-Bit Scholar posted:

They just tied her up off screen IIRC, she's going to be a bigger deal in the sequel. I predict that they'll take advantage of the fact that we never saw her face to have her "surprise" audiences as a secret covert agent or something like that.

well thats a shame. the fact that shes basically a toy who literally gets thrown in the garbage is almost clever.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Well, to be honest there's not much to say.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Was it jay playing JJ?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

e_angst posted:

I think the Whedon-esque overly-jokey/super-written dialogue is our generation's equivalent of how people in 40's movies talked with that weird carnival-barker cadence. A particular type of stylization that is really artificial but happens to be in style right now. Eventually naturalism will come back into style, and then there'll be some other type of weird stylization that'll be all the rage after that.

This is probably just me getting old but in particular I find that the bits with "funny" and/or "exciting" stormtrooper kills and such (Han using Chewie's crossbow, the traitor guy easily being killed by Han, phasma in the garbage and all that) to be kind of off-putting, especially in an adventure movie like this that isn't like gory or shockingly violent. I can't quite put my finger on why that bothers me as opposed to how over the top death and gore scenes can be funny in something like a lovely horror movie. In the original trilogy the stormtroopers were essentially henchmen to be killed, but the movies didn't treat them as essentially a joke (even though their marksmanship became one outside of the movies). Anyway I dunno really, but it feels really off to me, and I think the same thing kind of bothered me in the Hobbit movies as well.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Starship troopers is amazing because it is both very satirical and very sincere at the same time and actually makes it work. It's also a war movie that has two high school love triangles going on concurrently and solves them by having the third guy/girl in each one killed by aliens. Paul Verhoeven is brilliant.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Let's not bring Scandinavian poo poo into this. It's tedious and pointless. Everyone already knows Swedes suck.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Gremlins is a great movie. You should watch it.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Hmm.. maybe I should watch Gremlins 2 today.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Isn't the dude from the beanie baby tape the same as the guy who made made the dog sitter video?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

It's kind of quaint, you keep stuff like that around because of the memories. like for most of my childhood I watched the Star Wars trilogy on two recorded VHS tapes (we had a bunch of those since my mother worked at a BASF facility), where the first one also had that "making of" documentary. They're probably still somewhere in my parents' house, and they probably look and sound like utter garbage, but it's a nice childhood memory, like an old schoolbook, drawing or a photo.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Krinkle posted:

two of those movies must have been crammed together on one VHS in SLP, shaking my drat head.

You're goddamn right (think the change was sometime in Empire), and the volume on the TV was changed sometime in Empire (and you see the volume bars on the screen) and the channel was accidentally changed at one point as well (think during Jedi).

e: Wait read that wrong. Actually the documentary and the first Star Wars and then some of Empire came on the first tape, then change and most of Empire and Jedi on the second.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Dec 15, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

oohhboy posted:

I thought they cast Maggie Gyllenhaal as Leia for a couple moments.

I like this movie as it felt original and for most part well done. It's not going to win any Oscars for anything but it is far better than that Hack Fraud JJ Abrams ever will be. The final space battle was so much better done than the one in TFA. It wasn't just throw poo poo at the screen like random fireworks hoping to blind you. You quickly cared a enough for these guys and they were god drat heroes when they arrived.

I don't know :wtf: wrong with Tarkin but who ever did his voice hosed up. No where near British or menacing enough. All the Imperial officers weren't British enough, it was weak sauce.

Imperial officers weren't that British in the originals though. In IV, at least, several are American. Agree that Tarkin sounded off. And speaking of CGI faces, Leia's reveal was dumb. What was she doing just standing with her back to the door in that room?

I actually really liked the bits of "primitive" technology in the film such as the data needing to be physically extracted on somewhat large discs, and Omar from Four Lions having to lay down some thick coaxial cable from a spool and plug in to be able to trasmit a radio signal.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

sweetmercifulcrap posted:

See yeah if this movie had been like Ocean's 11 then they would have complained that it was "too light hearted and goofy when it could have been gritty and dark as a contrast to the main films."

I loved the third act of the movie and how it didn't do any cartoony heist stuff because they've already done plenty of that. I also think they are too quick to label things as fanservice. Like obviously the ending, R2D2 and C3PO, Vader force choking, etc, is fanservice, but complaining that AT-ATs and AT-STs show up is dumb because it makes perfect sense for the empire to be using them in these situations.

Well they were dead on with their description of alot of this movie as essentially Star Wars porn. Didn't hear alot of people when I saw it in the theater but yeah it totally makes sense. And just thinking it was cool to have an action sequence with a bunch of Star Wars stuff happening was kind of what won me over on it as well, makes me realize that I am somewhat guilty of it (though I more or less hated the fanservice stuff before and after this, especially the Leia reveal). I mean is anyone really going to be watching this movie again for anything other than the last 30 minutes or so? I remember watching it and being kind of torn between liking and hating it, then the last 30 minutes happen and I kind of forgot this.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

How dare RLM dislike a movie I liked whose only interesting feature was an action sequence!?

Anybody else imagine Darth Vader's lava fortress as EmPalSuRecon? I was a bit surprised when they didn't draw the conclusion that Vader was forced to live on the lava planet by the Emperor just to gently caress with him.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I was listening to their commentary track for Return of a Jedi and what the hell is Mike talking about when he says there are like no "pop-culture thing" in Empire compared to the other two Star Wars movies? Empire has like a ton of stuff both that was turned into toys and which in many ways has become a part of pop culture, non-comprehensive list follows:

- Imperial prove droids
- Snowtroopers
- Snowspeeders
- AT-ATs
- Wampa monster
- "Go to Dagobah"
- Tauntauns
- "Use your harpoons and tow-cables"
- Millennium Falcon in asteroid field
- Asteroid worm monster
- Darth Vader choking Imperial officers at the drop of a hat (he chokes exactly one guy in IV and does not kill him)
- Darth Vader's chamber
- Bounty hunters
- Cloud City
- Frozen in carbonite
- "No, Luke, I am your father"
- Yoda
- Force cave
- Super Star Destroyer
- Imperial March theme

And a whole lot more. I don't really see how in any way Empire has less things that are like part of pop-culture in it than the other two. I think Mike was making an argument about the movie itself being more remembered rather than a bunch of stuff in the movie that people know and can reference on its own, or something like that.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

thexerox123 posted:

Like, uncensored? I was literally just about to start watching it in public on a train :/

uncencored. quite a lot of them though. good episode.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

thexerox123 posted:

Thanks for the heads up, then!

Hey, sorry there. I meant "censored". somehow I hosed that up. All the boobs are censored.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I loving love star wars. how dare those hack frauds?!!

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Paladinus posted:

Lmao at that analysis of the fight scene. Just lmao. The way the spy bloke reacted to the orphan lady sorting out the bad guys without the blaster gun he'd refused to give her was more witty than Han's stupid quip, really.

What? gently caress you. The action scene in IV is waaayy more tense and interesting and banter between Han and Leia is actually pretty amusing as is the whole situation of Han, Luke and Chewie leading a rescue and having no idea or plan on what they really are supposed to do and Leia having to take over the whole thing. The scene in Rogue One, for me at least, was just another groan inducing action scene of the main characters being able to take out stormtroopers with such ease that killing them becomes a joke, which removes all the tension. I actually posit that the Empire actually was threatenign in IV and V (maybe VI as well until they are massacred by Ewoks) and that the Stormtroopers never seemed like a joke to fight for the heroes.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

temple posted:

The hallways fights on the death star is plot armor with banter. Nothing matters either but it is presented in a tense fashion. They storm troopers miss so much that its a cultural meme. That doesn't make it bad. Likewise, two hardened fighters not talking doesn't ruin the RO scene either. They are different. Which, Mike has a thing about movies needing to be like other movies to be good. It is a blind spot in his criticism that comes up often. Its hard for him to allow movies to be different and good, he has certain favorites that he believes are "right" and films don't use the previously established conventions, Mike writes them off as "wrong". He is often correct in pointing out effective storytelling but blind to innovation.

Presentation is key though. Stormtroopers missing all the time and being useless is really a thing that exists outside of the movies and was never really a meme that was invoked in the original movies, which treated them seriously (at least for the first trwo movies) even though when faced with the heroes they ofcourse can't kill them. Ther aren't any scenes where the heroes clear out a room or street of storm troopers with such efficieny as to make it comical, and most action encounters are in the context of the heroes trying to escape or resuce someone with storm troopers and such being there to up the stakes and heighten the tension.

You say the fights on the death star is "plot armor with banter" but I want you to look at those fights and tell me how many of those there are, and how many storm troopers there are and how many are killed. Thing is it won't be that many, which I think is part of what preserves the tension, the heroes definitely have plot armor, as is proper, but the actual scenes are small enough in terms of scale and length to actually make it seem kind of plausible and you never get the impression that they are just able to cut through the storm troopers with ease. They have to escape and there's an urgency about it.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 26, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

WampaLord posted:

There are a grand total of 7 locations in A New Hope:

Tantive IV
Luke's family farm
Ben's place
Mos Eisley
Millennium Falcon
Inside Death Star (I guess you could seperate this out as hangar/prison/etc if you want)
Rebel base

Each of them interesting in their own right and utilized properly and sufficiently.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Monkey Fracas posted:

After watching it this is kinda how I feel. It was... OK. OK enough to actually go see in a theater? Well how much do you care about The Star Wars or enjoy Passable Action Movies?




Dark Father was in the movie pretty much just so they could do that hallway scene

but that doesn't make it not a badass scene even though they stuck in that awful pun earlier oh god that was awful

I'm conflicted

Black Papa

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Thinking about that, would any of those trailer reaction people react the same way if they weren't filming themselves? To me it almost seems like a kind of "badge" or something that they earn on the internet by displaying in publlic their hysterical love of a product.

t's completely baffling to me. I'm pretty sure I am a nerd in most respect, but I think I may despise "nerd culture" and stuff like that, and I kind of hope that doesn't make me a cynical bastard, rather that I still have the capacity to feel shame (also that the term and idea is ridiculous). By the way, shame is important.

Guy Goodbody posted:

That doesn't follow the naming scheme of Animorphs novels.

I remember those books being quite hosed up. Like they transformed into the animal and they also began thinking and acting like the animal and being an animal for too long might gently caress you up pretty good, also might have been something about people being stuck like half-way between transforming into an animal and it just being horrible. Maybe I just remember like a nightmare version of them, but that's what springs to mind.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 28, 2016

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

bring back old gbs posted:

i went and read the wikipedia description of dirk gentlys detective agency and wowza. I love the HGttG series but the book's story for DG is really really bad and not at all something I would have enjoyed spending time getting through. Max Landis actually polished that turd into a great little story, Adams would have enjoyed it.

yalls fuckin up if you havent watched it because of the landis connection, it's legit good and fun

Well, I'm not watching it because a friend of mine, who's opinion I usually trust on these matters, told me it was just terrible. Which seems to be what I'm hearing about this one.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

By the way, gently caress all of you, it's January! What's this year's roster of movies looking like?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

I hadn't seen this before, and holy poo poo is that some dumb poo poo. I'm glad Disney nuked the EU, but they're just going to have some new lovely novelist go "What does the green button on the suit do?" and it'll all start up again.

loving Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center.

That's where Vader lived in rogue one

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Guy Goodbody posted:

I would rather believe that a sheltered Milwaukean nerd unintentionally did something offensive and later on tried to come up with some puppet master excuse about doing it on purpose, than he intentionally did something offensive because the RLM crew is so dysfunctional he couldn't just say "yo I don't want to do prank calls anymore"

They do talk like that though.

Who gives a poo poo

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

nerd/geek culture is bullshit

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Atlas Hugged posted:

Yeah they were released back to back along with the video game Enter the Matrix and the Animatrix. The Matrix MMO came out a year or so later as a sequel to Revolutions. I appreciate the ambition of the project, but seriously a movie needs to work as an independent movie and can't require the audience to have digested and made connections with six different mediums to make sense.

Enter the Matrix was a hilarious game. It had the worst animations I have ever seen.

But really, the Wachowskis are like M. Night, they happened to make a good movie by accident.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Arrival, Attack the Block, and The Martian were good.

The Martian was crap.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Phantom Menace is the only one out of the three that's really kind of fascinatingly bad, as it misses the mark with so many things it's quite baffling. There's also some effort in the actual film making like shooting on location and using real props and poo poo. Clones and Sith are just lazy and boring garbage.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jan 14, 2017

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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Still "better" than the other two, in the sense that it is worse, but at least not oozing of laziness.

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