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This is a great idea for a thread and I like your taste in music. I love that you included "Party and Bullshit" because that's one of my favorite Biggie songs and I always thought it was a little funny and sad that the Poets got so mad about the sample. What do you think of the new poo poo, like Kendrick?
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woke wedding drone posted:I don't think I can say whether hip hop has promoted any kind of social consciousness or not. Everything positive and pro-black from the '80s and '90s (as well as all the ideologically neutral meaningless party rap of that era) was countermanded by the marketing of the "G" lifestyle of subsequent years. For example, it's hard to take 2Pac as some kind of prophet or social critic (as intelligent and capable as he was of being one) when he willingly fed the fires of the east coast/west coast feud that led to his own pointless death. And he was in a position to know better. He made himself a martyr of capital and I can't think of a more pointless thing to do. Holy poo poo those are some bad opinions. Paternalistic and racist, seriously. gently caress your scarequotes around "G" and your apparent inabilty to actually listen to lyrics in the 90s and your marxoteen interpretation of Pac's murder and just gently caress you, generally, for your entire assumption that a ten-year fad you didn't like rendered black minds incapable of thinking, and your mayomouthed clucking that we may just be Too Dumb to understand Kendrick Lamar of all people. gently caress you. Get the gently caress out of this excellent thread full of intelligent people trying to have a conversation uninterrupted by your racist nonsense for once.
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Oct 1, 2016 18:53
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woke wedding drone posted:For once? I wasn't aware that there was some long-standing tension between our beliefs. Shut the gently caress up and get the gently caress out. Suck your own dick about how you're the only sophisticate alive in some other thread. And that bolded part? Is loving disgusting. You're ignorant and you're racist and you need to take Tupac Shakur's name out your mouth.
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Oct 1, 2016 21:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BPO2FU1u4
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Oct 1, 2016 22:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Dl-NmFJOw
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Oct 1, 2016 22:28
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woke wedding drone posted:I'm expected to praise Tupac Shakur, convicted rapist and glorifier of pointless violence? This is getting into really advanced theory, I hope you'll explain in more detail. You have literally the entire rest of the internet to be Anything but Rap and Country Guy. If you have ignorant, bigoted opinions about rap you don't have any business participating in a conversation about it. Go be racist on reddit, they love that poo poo.
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Oct 1, 2016 22:38
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HorseLord posted:and also full of poo poo with the "white people were made in a lab" stuff.
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Oct 1, 2016 22:48
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woke wedding drone posted:I think you're misunderstanding my position. I love hip hop and many of the artists posted here. I just don't think it is a meaningful force for social change, and when it comes to Tupac Shakur I think he was especially despicable, especially in contrast to the saintly image that has been assigned to him. He was a convicted rapist who glorified pointless violence. Yes those are racist, ignorant opinions and you should take them to r/the_donald where they will be appreciated. Take Kingfish too - he has trouble meeting people outside the Klavvern.
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Oct 1, 2016 22:50
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Music black people make about their lives is not a source of meaningful social change, says some guy who just wandered into the thread about black people music making social change.
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Oct 1, 2016 22:56
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HorseLord posted:I think it's funny but it gets a hell of a lot less funny when you realise that A) they literally believe it and B) you can't get poo poo done if your beliefs are completely wrong. Like if I was a CIA agent or whatever I'd be way more concerned about a black revolutionary communist movement that's building a big support base in working class neighbourhoods, than i would be about a bunch of do-nothing conspiracy theorists obsessed with ankh jewellery or whatever. Yeah nobody's afraid of Hoteps and that's a good thing
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Oct 1, 2016 22:57
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The Kingfish posted:"Rap music is not a tool for social change" is like the definition of a post that is acceptable for someone to make in a debate and discussion thread about rap music being a tool for social change.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:01
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woke wedding drone posted:What social change? People have been posting great songs but no examples of actual change that happened as a result of those songs. I am suggesting that there hasn't really been any. I think any positive changes in the black community since the birth of hip hop have been mostly due to activism and legislative advocacy, and while many artists repeated the messages of that actual work, for the most part the music has just been the soundtrack rather than a meaningful contribution. I wish it had been meaningful. Oh did we disappoint, you massa? Maybe it's because we gots all this cottonwool up in our heads
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Oct 1, 2016 23:05
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woke wedding drone posted:Hey I'm not massa. At best I am carving the turkey because massa let the mulatto house servants hold a knife. Then your racism is even more disgusting. Grats on being the first person to use a racist slur in here, you hosed up rear end in a top hat!
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Oct 1, 2016 23:09
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woke wedding drone posted:I don't even get to decide what to call myself? Somebody better tell 2Pac. If you're calling yourself that I'm going to default to my first assumption, which is that you're a glowingly pink white boy who thought he found a get out of racism free card. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 1, 2016 23:12
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If you're going to barge your racist rear end in here, run your mouth about how ignorant black people are, and then demand everyone drop everything to satisfy your arbitrary metrics you'd better loving define them first. What has hip-hop failed to do in the social sphere that any other genre of music succeeded at? Or journalism? Or art? What does Guernica do that 911's A Joke does not? One of the many ways you display your racism is that you're commandeering a conversation about an artform you don't respect and don't know anything about yet you have appointed yourself the arbiter of its quality. Racist people make every effort of the black community jump through extra hoops for legitimacy, with that goalpost always shifting juuuuuust out of reach. White people folk music is largely about committing crimes too, by the way. Where's your handwringing there? Plenty of rapists in the rock scene - can you link me to you making GBS threads up threads in NMD with your righteousness?
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Oct 2, 2016 00:26
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Chelb posted:I imagine he would talk about those genres, if they were the topic of the thread. Then I imagine he has links, doesn't he. Unless there's something about this particular thread that galvanized his moral rectitude.
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Oct 2, 2016 00:39
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Your fourth post in this thread moves the goalpost to "a meaningful force for social change" you lying rear end in a top hat.
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