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genericnick posted:Yeah, Rustal didn't care one way or another. But then what was it that McGillis wanted to reform except that he wanted to run things? Promotions on merit within Gallahorn don't really matter one way or another for anyone who isn't in the army. A bit less corruption is what you promise if you really don't want to change anything. McGillis's "reform" seemed to be mostly lip service being spouted to attract pawns. He didn't really state any concrete grievances with how Gjallarhorn was being run besides him not being the one in charge, and his entire plan involved trying to seize power using the ancient customs of the organization rather than to significantly change it. Based on context we can pick up on some of his potential changes - an increased focus on meritocracy within the organization, the banning of things like arranged noble marriages, the likely ultimate depowering of the noble class and the Seven Stars in favor of centralizing all of the authority under King McGillis Agnika Kaeru I - but I don't think the ultimate effect of his rule would really change life for the common man in any real way besides making it shittier. The only way Tekkadan ruling Mars would work is if they publicly handed planetary stewardship over to a more publicly palatable and respected figure such as Kudelia and continued to have authority in the background. This isn't an arrangement Orga would be likely to accept, because one of the driving forces behind Orga's constant struggle for more and better was to propel Tekkadan to the point where they were finally "respectable" and didn't have to worry about people starting poo poo with them all the time. The problem is that his quest was totally futile, since nobody will ever accept a gaggle of fight-crazy child soldiers as "respectable" no matter how many people they beat up.
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Hunt11 posted:That isn't true though. Gjallahorn was founded by those exact same type of people. There is a reason why Mcgilles loved everything about Tekkadan so much. The founders of Gjallarhorn were pretty much the last military force standing after an honest-to-god apocalypse that nearly destroyed the human race in its entirety. The circumstances are slightly different. Besides, given how relatively easily McGillis was able to get Adult Model AV working flawlessly and how even Rustal's faction which wasn't researching the topic nearly as hard was able to hack together an AV-equivalent workaround, it's entirely feasible that the founders of Gjallarhorn weren't children at all.
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Hunt11 posted:Its almost as if technology has progressed since the calamity war. Not universally. We never were treated to a new model Gundam frame, for example, despite Gjallarhorn's nigh-infinite resources and a really obvious pilot for one in Julietta; she had to make due with a souped up grunt unit despite being the personal servant and bodyguard of the most powerful and important man in Gjallarhorn and being forced into active combat against enemy Gundam frames on multiple occasions. Human augmentation in general and AV technology specifically is something that Gjallarhorn has worked to suppress and make taboo for centuries, to the point where Gaelio nearly lost his lunch at the sight of Mika's whiskers. Only McGillis's personal interest in the Bael led to the research that created Ein, which is what led to the perfected Adult Model AV and Gaelio's Pseudo-AV. It's totally plausible that the people who created the original Gundams and pioneered the AV system in the first place had better stuff than a bunch of jackasses sticking needles into children to see if they don't end up crippled, or a tiny clandestine research group backed by the whims of a madman. Kanos fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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chiasaur11 posted:They didn't build Gundams since they're tough to keep working, and nobody needed Gundams. They're high maintenance, difficult to pilot, and expensive where Gjallarhorn's whole design ethos had been making the best mobile suits they could that were cheap, easy to teach, and simple to keep working. They almost never had MS fights, and when they did, the Graze was more than good enough even aside from the fact they could almost always get a numbers advantage. Walrus addressed you about the Gundam issue, but the AV development lab was effectively McGillis's pet project. Even if the lab existed prior to McGillis's interest, McGillis is the one who finally fed them a live test subject by manipulating Gaelio into giving Ein to the lab, and McGillis is the one who claimed the fruits of that data after Ein going berserk made "Gjallarhorn AV" a dirty phrase. I seriously doubt that there was a long term concerted effort among the Seven Stars to preserve, revive, and advance AV technology; most of them were completely loving baffled how McGillis managed to revive the Bael, and all of them except Rustal referred to him as being "chosen" by the machine like someone pulling the proverbial sword from the stone rather than him simply plugging himself in - "McGillis has an AV hookup" didn't even cross anyone's mind as possible, suggesting that not even the top level officials of Gjallarhorn were aware of the AV development project, meaning that they couldn't have been actively supporting it. His implants being a new development for modern Gjallarhorn doesn't mean they were a new development period. Gjallarhorn producing a modern Gundam frame would be a new development. Somebody making a new mobile armor would be a new development. The original Gundam pilots being adults weakens the thematic connection to Tekkadan, but it would make a lot more sense than a bunch of brain-hosed child soldiers setting up and maintaining a world government apparatus that has endured for centuries. As for the connection between Original Gjallarhorn and conventionally heroic super robot pilots, I don't really see that connection as being important at all, especially since we were given two major characters in the series who existed to show that romanticized notions of super robot heroics are loving meaningless and useless in this world with Shino and McGillis himself. We simply don't know enough about the Calamity War to say either way, unfortunately. HukHukHuk posted:They did say Agnika died when Bael was put into sleep mode so it makes sense that by the end of the war the gundam was life support for the guy. Manatee Cannon posted:didn't ein say his weird life support cockpit was the original form of the av system or something? I assume all of the old gundam pilots had something like that at some point Argas posted:The true form of the AV system, IIRC. He's mostly just bragging/gloating. You know, it would be a really interesting twist if the actual physical pilot of the Bael was someone else entirely and Agnika Kaeru was the AV support system like how Ein was for Gaelio. There was a fair amount of talk about how Agnika Kaeru's soul was in the Gundam; everyone took that as either symbolism or a situation like Mika was beginning to experience where he gave so much of himself to the machine that he was unable to disconnect, but what if it was something else entirely?
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