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Bimmi posted:The shoulder things very well could be I suppose, but those hip guns have that classic circumcised-dick beam muzzle look to 'em. The hip guns on the Gundam Flauros (that's that suit's name) are even more obviously kinetic weapons than the shoulder guns. You can see the ammo magazines in the rear shot. It's not the first time an IBO gun has had a pointed muzzle, either - the Grimgerde and Hyakuri both had 'em. I'm suspecting that the shoulder guns are the special ones, although they're not beam weapons. Coilguns, maybe? Those drum-like structures around them are interesting. Also, the Gusion Rebake Full City apparently quad-wields rifles, which I am stupidly happy about. The Vidar (the blue Gundam in the ED) and its pilot remain a mystery. The mask suggests the return of Gaelio, but he's wearing a Seven Stars uniform, and his suit is in McGillis's blue and is obviously high-tech and well-maintained. Might just be McGillis wearing the headgear for combat purposes rather than as a disguise - it might be some sort of pseudo-Alaya-Vijnana System.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Confirmed by the gunpla, but I don't know what the back skirt does. Looks like it splits in two, so possibly another set of sub-arms? Oh, I knew it had four arms, but the original Rebake didn't often use 'em all at once, so the quad-wielding is a pleasant surprise.
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I'm entirely sure that if Gaelio did survive - and that remains a big if - it wasn't McGillis's intention. He probably just didn't angle his blade quite right and had to flee the scene before he could confirm the kill.
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New info - the pilot of the Hugo, that mystery antagonist machine with the twin shotels, is working for a faction called 'Hephaistos'. Some relation to Dawn Horizon? Yet another mercenary faction? Nobliss's personal pieces on the field?
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ImpAtom posted:That's probably supposed to be Hephaestus or a corruption of it. I bet they're a weapon manufacturer. We already got the info that it's a pirate suit, though it's not clear whether the pilot himself is still a pirate. It's designed for close-ranged battle in debris fields like the Shoals, with a pair of grappling claws mounted on its hips and its legs reversed so they can serve as grippers.
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Since we were chatting about the Vidar, more pictures of it have come out, and it looks like it might have a third Ahab reactor built into its rear thruster pack.  This thing is going to be ludicrously fast.
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AradoBalanga posted:3 Ahab Reactors just seems unnecessarily pointless and a waste of resources. At that point, you might as well start fielding MS-sized Ahab Reactors as your front line forces. It's actually the other way around. One of Gjallarhorn's biggest advantages is that it's the only faction in the solar system with a glut of Ahab reactors and suits to put them in. However, the technology to fit multiple reactors on a single suit remains lost, which is why Gundams are so special. If the Vidar is, indeed, McGillis's suit, then it makes perfect sense for him to be testing out a modern multireactor setup on his personal ride, given his interest in kicking Gjallarhorn out of its stagnation (technological and otherwise).
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm thinking of picking up IBO, haven't watched Gundam in ages. What's good about this one? Compelling setting, plenty of focus on character interaction and drama, fight scenes are slightly thinner on the ground than the Gundam norm but exciting, horrifying, and superbly choreographed, mechanical designs own, soundtrack also owns.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Cutesy Childhood friend character who works as ship cook and car driver is actually one of the most stone cold badasses on the cast. Also takes a very entertaining approach to the standard shonen love-triangle shenanigans.
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Honestly, I'd say that G-Reco is a weaker show by most metrics. Yes, I get the themes and message (it's a polemic on the Japanese rearmament debate criticising the ignorance, superstition, and bloodlust surrounding it and stressing the importance of education and dialogue), but the manic pacing (which still only managed to trace through a similar number of actual plot points to IBO), bizarre dialogue, and storytelling that's halfway between an interesting puzzle to decode and 'oh poo poo we forgot to animate a couple of pages of the script' seriously damage emotional investment in the whole thing, and the ending is similarly limp to IBO S1. Bellri is also definitely a weaker lead than Mikazuki by any metric, with an even more muddled arc - in fact, much of the cast is weaker, due to them being outsized allegorical symbols more than characters. The colour palette was nicer, and the character designs more consistently good,, but those are the only outright advantages I can think of - the action and mechanical designs were excellent, but IBO's were simply a very different flavour of excellent. I also felt that the villains improved towards the end of IBO. Carta was a lady Mashmyre with all of her predecessor's humour and tragedy, Gaelio became one of the most moral, upstanding, and likeable members of the cast despite being implacably opposed to the heroes, McGillis was a superlative Char clone with some clever twists, and while Nobliss was a very archetypal evil, warmongering corporate overlord, the way that the heroes interacted with him was pretty interesting. The rogues' gallery were weak overall, but there were enough standouts that I wouldn't call them an outright wash. We're not looking at, say, an AGE-tier void here.
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ImpAtom posted:IBO is by no means AGE-tier. It is at worst strictly average and unwilling to commit to messages which still puts it ahead of a good chunk of other Gundam. I agree, but I was specifically talking about the villains, one of its weakest parts. One thing I do like about S2 is that everything seems hunky-dory in a very fragile way for Tekkadan. They've confirmed that Orga is genuinely noble, and is genuinely trying to pursue Kudelia's vision, but Mika is still dangerously unstable, and they're still caught between two entirely untrustworthy factions who they owe enormous debts to. It's obvious that they'll end up in conflict with Gjallarhorn again (probably so that McGillis can use them to eliminate his dangerous new political rival), but their relationship with Teiwaz also feels deeply suspect - they've got a staunch friend in Naze, but even he can only do so much to protect them if McMurdo starts getting ideas, and they're in far too deep to easily pull out.
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Here's the English site, complete with brief suit and character profiles. The Brewer kids are all Altlands now. 
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Microcline posted:On the other hand, it's another example of the show's tenuous relationship with show, don't tell. Not really? I mean, they told us that Gjallarhorn had lost control and that other PMCs had followed Tekkadan's example and started arming up with child soldiers and mobile suits. Then at the end of the episode, Tekkadan gets attacked by a pirate group with considerably more firepower and manpower than the Gjallarhorn detachment that hit them in the first episode of S1. We were told, and then we were shown. Incidentally, a next episode preview has come out, and points to everyone who correctly guessed McGillis's contact on Mars.
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Kit previews show that the Vidar has a unique head to its inner frame similar to that on the Kimaris Trooper. Remember, Vidar is the Norse god of vengeance who killed the wolf Fenrir (Barbatos Lupus, anyone?) to avenge his father Odin. Between this and using Carta's old Ritter as his command vehicle to honour her memory, McGillis must have to replace the floor in his office every so often because of the wear and tear from his colossal brass balls.
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Droyer posted:There's no reason to believe this to be true. He's in charge of her old fleet, so he uses the same kind of robot she did. He specifically mentions carrying on her will in that Gjallarhorn conference, and I believe magazine scans confirmed that it was her reconstructed and customised machine rather than just another one from the same line. I think it's reasonable to put two and two together as his outward justification for using it.
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Ah, I had suspicions about McGillis's game before, and this episode has confirmed them. Rustal is just too dangerous to him. He's the whip-smart war hero commander of the single mightiest fleet in the solar system, and he doesn't like or trust McGillis. Therefore, in order for our boy to gain total control of Gjallarhorn, he needs to die. Stage one, pose as a justifiably-anonymous enemy of one of the most powerful men in the solar system, and gain Rustal's trust with half-truths about his rival's nefarious schemes. Stage two, bait him into taking on a pirate-extermination mission near the stomping ground of one of your past assets, don your disguise, and go along with him. Stage three, activate that past asset and give them the same mission without letting them know that Gjallarhorn's on their way, and send your loyal subordinate to work with them (helpfully implying that you'll be elsewhere when poo poo goes down). Stage four, as the three forces clash, you and your assistant engineer a conflict between Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn (say, by attacking each other), and then feed Rustal to Mika. Tekkadan now have the full might of the vengeance-crazed Arianrhod Fleet on their tails, so the evidence should swiftly, if messily, dispose of itself. If he wants, he could even release evidence on the incestuous web between Nobliss, Teiwaz, the Martian separatists, and the Dawn in order to take down all his potential/actual enemies at once. That should give us our plot for the rest of the season. It's been stressed that a world without Gjallarhorn isn't actually all that great, and it needs reform rather than destruction, but the problem is that the current leader, while somewhat interested in reform, is a cold-blooded, power-hungry backstabber with a gigantic chip on his shoulder, and simply does not have the temperament or mindset to lead the organisation in the right direction. That implies that the main plot will be about creating a replacement for McGillis - presumably Iok. As a result, I reckon this season will be mainly about his arc - filling his mentor's enormous boots and pursuing vengeance against first Tekkadan and then, as he learns the truth (and gains sufficient enlightenment to the rest of the solar system's hardships to make him a good leader), against McGillis. Tragic Newtype romance with Julietta plausible but optional - Okada's a big ol' romantic, so there's decent odds on them turning out OK, and a healthy romance would underline Iok as McGillis's more virtuous successor, given the latter's nightmarish relationships with the women in his life.
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I think that this episode also gave me a better grasp of where they're going, and have been going, with Orga and Mika'a characters. To mangle the meaning of a Shakespeare quote slightly, they both love not wisely but too well. They have phenomenal loyalty and affection for the great big extended family called Tekkadan, and genuinely, unselfishly want the best for them, but the harshness of their lives has left them so terrified of what the world can do to them that they unconsciously put their loved ones in even greater peril. Orga's obsession with growing Tekkadan's wealth and prestige as a mercenary company isn't a matter of ego, and he believes in the same dream as Kudelia, a world where the kids under his command don't have to fight. He simply sees their mercenary work as a get-rich-quick scheme, a way to get his people out of starvation in the gutter and into nice, safe, legitimate jobs as fast as possible. Similarly, that's why he's fixated on insane high-risk-high-reward jobs - he wants to minimise the amount of time his kids have to spend doing dangerous, soul-killing mercenary work before he can get her the capital to secure them a more pleasant future. This next couple of episodes, I think, will be where it bites him in the rear end - he's gambled and won so many times that he's got cocky, and now he's finally led Tekkadan into an obvious trap that will get a shitload of them killed out of his desire to create a better, safer world for them. I particularly expect bad things for the Earth branch, a group of second-string characters in second-string machines right under the guns of Gjallarhorn. I imagine that his arc will be about developing some patience, looking out more for Tekkadan's safety in the short-term as well as the long, and possibly learning to reach out a little more to help from others. Mika, meanwhile, is a loving, loyal guard dog. He sees his job as being to protect those he cares about through extreme physical violence, and to avenge those he can't through the same, because it's what he's good at and he wants to put it to some sort of positive use. The problem is that that habit of biting off faces for the greater good creates as many enemies as it destroys. I suspect that his arc will be about learning to let go and forgive his enemies, giving Tekkadan a chance for peace. After Rustal dies, Gjallarhorn's revenge will be mighty and terrible, and Iok, as the new commander of the Arianrhod fleet, will be the visible, immediate face of that vengeance. The problem is that they're being manipulated by a common enemy, and Iok is the solar system's best hope for a better future, so they'll need to make peace eventually, and Mika just isn't good at doing that with those who've hurt his loved ones. If Iok turns into Carta 2.0, it's al over. Hopefully, Julietta won't have to die to make both of them realise that, Marida-style.
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One thing I'm idly curious about is who owns the Flauros. I think we can take it as a given that Iok will end up piloting it - his Reginlaze is specialised for long-ranged combat, his dark personal suit colours would work well with its monstrous design, and it's named after the demon summoned to exact vengeance on other demons. The question, then, is whether it's his family's suit (he is, after all, a representative of the Seven Stars), or whether he'll inherit it from Rustal. The model kit is being advertised really early, Iok has a suit at the moment, and Rustal is being hyped enough that I'd expect him not to go down without making Tekkadan and/or Dawn Horizon bleed for it. I'm actually pretty hyped to see it in action. It's a Gundam designed primarily for ranged combat in a setting where ranged combat largely doesn't work, which makes me wonder just what kind of insane poo poo it's packing to tip the balance.
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The Sandman posted:Meanwhile, Akihiro feels vaguely robbed, and doesn't know why. Mika has a close but kind of unhealthy friendship with the young, charismatic, silver-haired commander of a mercenary company that's heavy on the child soldiers. He has a busted arm, a busted eye, and a terrifying well of murderous rage that's the single biggest obstacle to his dream of a quiet life beyond his constant battles. He also owns a special, wolf-themed suit of armour equipped with arm-guns and an enormous sword that grants him tremendous strength and speed at a tremendous mental and physical cost. Let's be honest here, Akihiro just doesn't have the Guts. That said, McGillis has way deeper parallels to Griffith than Orga does. He even sort of cosplayed as him in his Montag disguise.
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Tae posted:I'm glad that McGillis teaming with Tekkadan isn't really a secret, and laughing that Akihiko is annoyed that people keep surrendering to him. I did like that he did back off and let the guy surrender after almost squishing him, though. Akihiro is a Good Boy who Means Well.
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Presumably when they manage to seriously piss off Gjallarhorn in this battle. I was actually a little surprised at how cleanly the lines seem to be drawn here, though - Tekkadan is now an open, deputised ally of the McGillis faction, and Julietta specifically attacks Mika for being part of that faction. I assume that this won't remain the truth for the whole season - I can see McGillis cutting Tekkadan loose if they manage to genuinely cross the line, and Rustal remains absolutely bedecked in death flags ready for that line-crossing - but it is still a little surprising how direct this all is for the moment.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Meribit is basically in Biscuit's role from season 1. The most cautious member of Tekkadan, close with Orga and someone who he can actually show weakness around. It's a bit different since Biscuit was a close friend, while she's an older and more mature advisor if anything, but still similar. And just like with Biscuit her doubt of Orga's plans is to show that he's still walking a dangerous line in his goal to use these kids as child soldiers so they don't have to be child soldiers any more. And who knows, maybe he'll bite off more than he can chew this season. There's some subtext to that. The characters thought it would be dangerous because they'd be tangling with Dawn Horizon. We knew it'd be dangerous because they're diving straight into the beginnings of the Gjallarhorn civil war, and may either end up kicking it off or getting both sides after them.
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jackhunter64 posted:I really like how the main battleships are as nimble as mobile armours in this series. Given that the first ever IBO mobile armour is on its way, you might want to hold off on that.
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GimmickMan posted:See, I had a really hard time buying that Cagalli was even the same character from the beginning, because she was always hotheaded and stubborn but I guess I can see how people would think she was just going through an arc. That's a fair disagreement. Remember that McGillis was diving into a Gjallarhorn stronghold to kill one of his fellow Seven Stars heirs, and only took on Gaelio once there were no Gjallarhorn witnesses around. It's totally plausible that he wouldn't stick around to confirm the kill after taking out the Kimaris - yes, it could have massively hosed him and his plans over (and did) if his old buddy survived, but his decision makes sense for his particular blend of caution and arrogance.
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Phobophilia posted:orga this is a terrible loving idea. you dont shake hands of a deal before you even know what they're offering. i think the theme of s2 differs from s1 in that while they keep making insane gambles, this time they arent the underdogs, but actually have something to lose You know, apart from them helping his best fried murder his other two best friends. Also, the race for Sandoval was funny as hell. Those poor pirates just did not deal well with being reduced to stages on an obstacle course.
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One other thing - that suit that Tekkadan dug up is the Gundam Flauros. That's a big surprise - I was sure it'd turn out to be a Gjallarhorn machine. Between that and the first ever Post Disaster mobile armour, Tekkadan has a stupid-huge amount of firepower on its side.
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The Flauros looks like it'll be a good fit for him, too - the head not only has shark-teeth, but looks like it borrows its main sensor from the old Graze Custom.
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I actually think that McGillis is going to play reasonably nice with Tekkadan. The problem is that Orga doesn't quite grasp the enormity of gaining his enemies. Speaking of, the title for the next episode is bland and un-poetic enough to be ominous as gently caress.
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Mordja posted:I think the idea is that Iok is just a garbage-tier pilot. Julietta seemed less than thrilled that he was coming along last episode, and straight up told him that he was getting in the way in the current one. Nah, he was introduced with some crazy-rear end sharpshooting. Mika was just taking into account that dodging would mean slowing down, making himself an easier target. Julietta's dislike of him is pretty obviously not something we're supposed to agree with, just her getting prickly around the snot-nosed rich kid that she, God's gift to mobile suits, is saddled with. I'm guessing she carved her way up through raw talent, and has certain prejudices regarding nobles who got their suits through family connections.
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Tae posted:I think it's a pretty simple thing of Iok dying would make her boss unhappy, and there's literally no need for him to be there. Well, there's no need in her opinion. Girl's real good in a fight, but it remains to be seen whether it's quite enough to match up to her ego, and Iok ran some pretty useful interference to let her focus more on Sandoval.
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Overlord K posted:My favorite part of this episode, oddly enough. It's the little things. Also, the OP isn't a dramatic downgrade from the first season, which feels like a good omen, and is more than I can say for certain other Gundam shows (00, I'm looking at you).
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Guy Goodbody posted:I am really excited to see a Mobile Armor on the protagonist side. Seems it'll be a seriously evil-looking fucker, too.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Speculation time, the mobile armor is going to be hijacked by that Teiwaz dude thats angry at Tekkadan once its sent in for repair. Also once McGillis consolidates power in the seven star alliance he's going to move against the rest of the power houses like Teiwaz, Nobliss, etc. Tekkadan should have an easy time picking who they'll side with when the time comes but all of those factions are shitbags in the first place so god knows how that'll play out. I'm assuming that Tekkadan, the Arianrhod fleet, and the Turbines (if they're still alive by that point) will end up allying against McGillis and/or whatever Nobliss has up his sleeve, although that does depend on just how vengeance-crazed Gaelio is. Certainly, Rustal and his crew are coming across as one of the most heroic factions in all of this so far.
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Colour pics for the Vidar are out, and... uhh... Gaelio really isn't taking his betrayal well, is he? He's modified the Kimaris to look like McGillis's Schwalbe Graze.
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I think the real tragedy is that, as Kudelia pointed out, things got to the point where murdering was inevitable. I mean, she ended up having to wipe out the local leadership of her own beloved Martian independence movement because she miscalculated how desperate they'd become.
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Gorelab posted:I thought Rustal was the one instigating stuff there? Yeah, he got that Arbrau commander to plant that bomb and subvert the Earth branch's Teiwaz minder, presumably to start a war and discredit McGillis and Tekkadan. We're getting into some seriously murky politics here. On the plus side, Gaelio seems to have found a replacement Ein.
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I thought it was pretty clear that he was remembering his conversation with Ein about Crank. Remember when he screamed at McGillis for abusing the kid's pride? Seriously, both conversations even took place in the same sort of setting. It was very probably an intentional callback. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Kanos posted:The fact that Gaelio went incognito and joined up with McGillis's greatest political rival to work against him on the down low rather than immediately going to the Seven Stars and publicly accusing/denouncing McGillis suggests that he's being very patient about this. Given that Gaelio is a Seven Star himself, he could pretty easily show up and drag McGillis's name through the mud in a protracted he said/she said situation, but it wouldn't guarantee McGillis couldn't weasel out of it in some way. By faking his death and feeding information to a powerful individual like Rustal he's playing the long game by assuming that Rustal will be eventually able to knock McGillis down to size with Gaelio's aid. The fact that McGillis is now aligned with Tekkadan must strike Gaelio as a wonderful bit of luck re: vengeance. Well, he did pick the Arianrhod fleet, who presently seem like one of the better Gjallarhorn factions. Rustal's methods are extreme, but he does so far seem like a reformer who believes that McGillis is a key part of his organisation's corruption, and will use any means necessary to take him down.
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Kanos posted:The Arianrhod fleet was the military force responsible for carrying out the slaughter of the Dort worker unions and were totally on board with killing the gently caress out of Kudelia for daring to maybe want to negotiate with Arbrau. I think the only faction that exemplified the sort of corruption McGillis wanted to root out more clearly was the dude originally in command of Martian Gjallarhorn. They seem to be placing a sharp divide between the old Arianrhod fleet, which did the Dort massacre, and the new one, a fairly morally-unobjectionable group of pirate-hunters. Rustal may be ruthless, but giving a commoner the (very public) honour and status he's given Julietta is a huge political statement in the intensely classist society Gjallarhorn is built off, and doesn't fit with the 'massacre the proles to keep them in line' stance of the old Arianrhod. He's just not publicly sharing enough views of the Gjallarhorn we saw last season to feel like a traditionalist holdout, which makes it much more plausible that his extreme actions are a result of genuine concern about what Gaelio's told him about the new rising star of the organisation.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Setting up an assassination attempt of one of the economic leaders in the planet to destabilize the tenuous peace there puts Rustal in either the same or maybe an even worse boat than McGillis in the greater scope of things. Rustal just seems like a guy that's acting entirely on his best interests to retain his position of top dog in the 7 star I think this very much depends on how existential a threat he believes McGillis to be based on how much Gaelio has told him. It's entirely plausible for him to think that kicking off a limited war in order to weaken and remove a cancerous part of the organisation that keeps the solar system from exploding is better than letting that organisation collapse and actually having the solar system explode. To be honest, we can't even be entirely sure he's wrong - we're still not fully up on what McGillis's plans are, and given that the OP includes a shot of him at his absolute slimiest, reminding us every episode of why we're supposed to hate him, I really doubt that the show's going to go 'you know, he's not so bad after all'. As for Rustal himself, I can't stress enough how big a deal the Julietta thing is. Classism is the core evil of the Post Disaster world, responsible for pretty much all of its injustices. There's Ein being constantly poo poo on for being a no-name provincial commoner. There's Tekkadan being poo poo on for being no-name provincial commoners. There's the Human Debris, the bottom of the social food chain, who are literally denied their personhood. There's the manufactured prejudice against cybernetics, which primarily affects those too poor to either get proper medical treatment or find work that doesn't require them to be altered. There's the colony massacres, regular, scheduled cullings of the poor to keep them in line. There's McGillis's origin story, the bastard son abandoned in appalling property who was finally brought back into the fold when he became politically useful (but was never allowed to forget that he was a lesser mortal anyway). In that context, a high-ranking aristocrat takes significant damage to his reputation (according to Gaelio) in order to promote a commoner to the position of chief shitwrecker of the mightiest, most prestigious fleet in the solar system and showers her with cool toys for the simple reason that she's the most competent person for the job. That's pretty huge, and makes it much harder for me to believe that Rustal is operating without at least some principles.
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