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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
I think really hardcore conspiracy theorists tend to actually be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia (Prester Jane has a whole thread about it). That said, I think most people with extreme beliefs are just suffering from the same cognitive biases as everybody else; there's no need to pathologize them.

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

computer parts posted:

2. Even during/after the war, any followup to abolition was still considered extremely radical. The common view at the time was "black people shouldn't be literal property, but helping them to regain economic power? ehhhhh". Even Lincoln agreed with that view.

It's really only due to his assassination that we had the political strength to pass the 14th & 15th Amendments.

That's where Lincoln started, anyway. His views shifted somewhat over time.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

computer parts posted:

Nah, even his second Inaugural Address is focused primarily on the ending of slavery, not what comes after:


You could argue "Bind up the nation's wounds" could refer to reparations or it could refer to forgiving Confederates.

What is known is that his assassination led to a much stronger majority in Congress, and that is what allowed two of the most important amendments passed to happen.

I mostly meant that he came around to tentative support of black men voting and so forth. See The Fiery Trial by Eric Foner for more on this.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Lamb Chowder posted:

Austria-Hungary, Germany, Germany 2.0, the British empire, the Italian empire, the Ottoman empire, the Japanese empire, the second French empire, South Africa, Falangist Spain, the Russian Empire, Yugoslavia?

Heh. Point stands that the fall of communism is strong evidence against whoever is considered "the left" inevitably being victorious, though.

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