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Jenner posted:He works in a mental hospital and he says almost all of his clients hold extreme right beliefs. He honestly believes conservatism is a mental illness. He's not wrong considering the result it has for England.
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my dad posted:Calling people insane just because they ethically/politically disagree with you leads to bad places. Hiter wasn't insane, he was just having a bad day is all.
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Oct 8, 2016 01:39
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my dad posted:'Some A are B' does not equal 'all B are A' Almost all Conservatives and Neolibertarians come off as insane when they want to implement regressive policies that gently caress a country more then it does improve it. They lack efficiency, progressive views and a sense of empathy and only care about themselves when the opportunity presents itself to improve life. They talk poo poo to fuel anger, they lie to later offset promises that never get done once they achive their goal so they can fill their greedy nature when they reach their own ideal throne. To some extent it can come off as sociopathic when you see for what they truly are. Uncaring, unsupportive ruthless lazy runts in high-tailored clothing. I have heard, seen and witnessed enough conservatives to see them as backwards, illogical waste of space. I hold the view that Tories always hold back society to make themselves feel better about themselves when they look down on others because of their status. Their track record has proven enough that the concept of them being insane enough to gently caress everything out of spite is nothing out of the ordinary for them. So yes, I do believe that right-wingers are insane in some way. They rather repeat mistakes to get a different outcome rather then try a new progressive method because they find it might work against them or that they don't want it due to their Irrationality, lack of understanding and lack of sense for others that they might hurt along the way.
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Samog posted:people can be sane and monstrous at the same time I've noticed, however anytime a Conservative shares his/her viewpoints. It leaves me bewildered sometimes that they can be sincere in a viewpoint that speaks levels of Irrationality without a hint of irony which I find can lead to them being called insane due to how their views can have dire consquences to everyone around them that they don't seem to have given thought for (or maybe they had but don't care) and expecting to work out all the same with no problems in the way. You don't have to look far in how loving insane England was a few months ago. To an average outsider it's loving amazing to see a country try to attempt the first ever democratic suicide of a country. To an insider who neighbours that stupid country...it's not a great experience when you have people insane enough to assume that they get a better deal, a better income, rid of foreigners etc. etc and risk almost of that on petty lies that they fell for loving easily. Naturally most of these tend to be the conservative type who never seem to learn and naturally they didn't give a gently caress about the consquences.
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gtrmp posted:Find a more useful word than "insane" if you want your argument to be taken seriously. If you got one I liked to hear it. gtrmp posted:Or, if you don't care about how and why people come to believe irrational or abhorrent things and just want to tar them with the brush of "they think bad things because they got bad brains", don't. Like it or not, genetics dose play a role into the behavioral patterns and thought process of different people. Some do think bad things because they do have bad brains in a way. Not that it's their fault to begin with anyways. There are stupid people who endanger everyone and there are the unfortunate. The former I would gladly get rid of in a heartbeat if it were possible and taken care of in a manner that limits the most consquences. I suppose my definition of insanity is complicated or maybe just not what it actually means but I don't understand how some people function like they do and not expect me to think they are deprived from the harsh world of reality. I think it's insane that people who have illogical views are represented by the people that think that same person is the type of person that be willing to fix problems rather then make it worse. It boggles me and worries me. I suppose I don't care much for humanity anymore. I just watch people do stupid, insane stuff and wonder how they function and how they came up with certain though processes. The human mind is...fragile to say the least.
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Oct 8, 2016 03:32
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They aren't behaving irrationally, you are just ascribing certain goals to be the goals they should be working towards and when they do things that work to other goals you are getting confused and saying "but that action doesn't further them towards the goal I thought they would be working towards!". People are often rationally working towards goals, the goals and the methods they are willing to use to get to their goals are just not very nice or moral. Disregarding moral or niceness (Which isn't really necessary if you're the type of person willing to go far to achieve some goals.) People working towards goals rationally depends on what their goal is and what their method is too. If you think that Brexit was a rational thing to do then please tell me how because it certainly hasn't improved anything other then prove how British people are arrogant to believe that they would be no hurdles because they think they are special enough to warrent such treatment.
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SickZip posted:You're really painting a terrible picture of of yourself rather then of others. Have you considered that so many people might have incomprehensible opinions to you because you aren't very good at comprehending? I can comprehend why and understand the concepts. I just don't find their opinions are carefully thought out to be based around what would happen in reality. gtrmp posted:And two, I'm surprised that it took this long for someone in the thread to make a sincere argument for eugenics. Eugenics dosen't go anywhere to solve the matter of human stupidity. That unfortunately is just a flaw with humanity in general. gtrmp posted:One, your definition of insanity isn't complicated at all. Just the opposite: it's facile, and it has no bearing on any actual legal or medical use of the term. So why we having a discussion on far-right/left leanings are possibly an effect of being mentally ill? Surely that is facile as well. Bob le Moche posted:"I'm a pretty good judge of what is sane and what is not, now hear me out on my plan to make things better by cleanly getting rid of all the people with inferior genetics who endanger the good people. Also I don't care for humanity. I can tell who the bad genetics people are because I don't understand why they don't think like me." Heh. Inferior genetics and good people. That's a good one. People who consider themselves genetically perfect I.E. Master Race are also a prime example of human stupidity. They rather waste resources on killing potential humans who can enhance society because their of their origins and linkage. Humans are flawed regardless of their origins or their genes. Transhumanism is a better approach to streamline human efficiency by removing some flaws that inhibit humanity by surpressing destrutive thoughts that hinder society. Even then, Transhumanism has it's glaring flaws too. Owlofcreamcheese posted:You still seem to be using the word "rational" to mean "good" and crazy to mean "evil" or "bad". I wouldn't consider Brexit to be evil or bad. Just stupid. I can understand why Brexit is a thing and how it came to be but I'm also dissapointed in people thinking it's not going to affect them hard. Some still haven't noticed the consquences of their actions...they may never do so too even when things have gotten worse. So no I don't think the likes of this arguement of 'rational = good and crazy = evil'. I think it's more to do with efficiency and choosing the route that solves more problems rather then the one that creates more. DeusExMachinima posted:Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. Is this one of these dilemmas where it's better off to be insane or sane? Jenner posted:So hey, guys. This is not the thread to call people you politically disagree with and who are, in your opinion, wanting to do really stupid and irresponsible things mentally ill. Jenner posted:But the irrationality and illogicalness that often comes with far left and far right beliefs? I think it toes the line. Hmmm...You don't want people to be called mentally ill because of having a different political opinion and yet you think otherwise with the far-left/right? Quite hypocritical there. Jeza posted:"I can't possibly understand a single conservative viewpoint. They are insane sociopaths who lack all empathy. Anyway, let me tell you about how I'd like to cull undesirables, and how at this point I just want to watch the world burn in righteous fire." Hey. Who said I stop at undesirables? And I would watch the world burn in a massive nonstop fire. It be the biggest bonfire ever.
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I feel like the word Insane has too many different meanings now for what it was originally meant to be. If I'm going to go call someone insane, it's not because they are mentally ill but because they don't hold their argument seriously enough to work in reality. I feel like how most people use the word nowadays isn't actually based solely on the mental illness anymore. But if people are upset over that then I guess another word will be used. What I don't know. Jenner posted:For example, being all gung-ho for eugenics is super loving terrible but not crazy. Hail that mah brotha from another bloodline. Jenner posted:Mass destruction is bad and eugenics is bad. These are bad things you are espousing. Please stop and reevaluate your beliefs. Already said eugenics was a waste of time and inmoral when there is no actual rational motive for it. Mass destruction on the other hand is actually good and more people should be for it because I get to watch everyone in agony to satisfy my needs of pure chaos. Jenner posted:If the human population suddenly had a multi-generational surge of babies being born with severe mental and/or physical disabilities then some form of mitigation might be necessary after, like, hundreds of years of that happening. Because we would not be able to maintain the healthy working population to pay into the social systems to support them. But even then, that would be incredibly extreme. You mistakingly call me bad and yet the only reason you be up for reducing newborns who are unfortunate to recieve any life-altering disablity is because it be too 'costly'. You care more for your wallet rather then finding out why newborns are becoming more and more deformed and in terrible pain. Money is the least of the problems when a species is starting to become more corrupted from disease and genetic inheritance of life inducing problems. Jenner posted:Hopefully they'll come around? It's better to just get rid of them rather then wait for a uncertain amount of time until they turn over a new leaf. Do you think the likes of revolts and revolutions happen because people waited for those who are in a better situation then them to give a poo poo about them? We only live a short amount of time and people have a limit to what conditions they live in before they start to become either rational and collective enough to fix the problem or irrational and selfish that they scapegoat the blame on something else. Rush Limbo posted:Conservatism is very much associated with the kind of feeling that would be conducive to developing some kind of mental illness I like this guy. Time and Reality dosen't give a poo poo and we should be progressing through the road rather then stay in the same spot. Staying in the same spot changes nothing. it dosen't change the problems and it dosen't fix them.
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