What's the deal with people who hate Hillary?

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Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

raditts posted:

Going by the open sewers that are my local Fox station's facebook feed, the reasons du jour among people who venomously hate her (as in far beyond merely just not liking her that much) seem to be that they can't let go of Benghazi despite a dozen republican-led investigations that spent a few million dollars to come up with nothing, and they can't let go of the email thing, which also came up with basically nothing, and things turning out that way rather than her being in prison for... some reason... makes them really angry.

There are different reasons people hate her. For example, I've only ever seen right-wing folks bring up Benghazi, and it's pretty obvious that if it wasn't Benghazi or The Emails it would be something else. Most right-wing folks hate Hillary because they strongly disagree with her perceived ideology, and in order to validate themselves and their own identities, they need to have concrete reasons they come up with after the initial emotional response (the phenomena of "emotional reaction" -> "consciously justify reaction" isn't unique to right wingers, just a good example of it in action). She's an especially big target for hatred because she's on the path to become president, just like Obama was (and possibly still is?) the Anti-Christ to a lot of right-wingers.

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Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

J Corp posted:

Is your argument that she hasn't or that it doesn't matter?

Protip: You might want to list some of those deceptions if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind or defending your position. gnarlyhotep is legitimately asking, and you probably shouldn't immediately attack him for a flippant response to your nearly content-less post.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2016 06:39

Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:

From the right, misogyny.

From the left, people are (justifiably) scared shitless of Trump and feel you have to sweep every bad thing about Clinton under the rug. While just about every Clinton critic understands you're not going to bring about radical change to the country via the Presidential Election, it is still irksome that she doesn't have to work all that hard to win over the base because Trump has set the bar so very, very low. That some feel a need to put up a unified front for Hillary shuts down any possible criticism from the left because of the lovely orange clown.

To add to this, it's interesting to note how the thread quickly tilts from "why people on the left hate Hillary" to her supporters immediately deflecting criticisms with demands for alternative candidates, or refusing to acknowledge she has any flaws and that the only possible reason anyone could hate her is misogyny, her political experience, and lies they heard. Well, people have listed a bunch of reasons they don't like her that aren't those, and no one's bothered to defend the policies on their merit, so they're legitimate criticisms. It's possible to criticize a politician and not have a good alternative candidate. Progressive ideologies will not advance if candidates are not allowed to be criticized. Hillary should be criticized precisely because an attack from the left would hopefully make her tack that direction to secure votes and support.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2016 03:16

Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

computer parts posted:

It doesn't help when you repeat lies and vaguely disguised misogynist statements.

Would you like to actually point to a concrete example, or would you rather do that thing you usually do where you get people to try and guess what your argument is?

# ¿ Oct 4, 2016 05:28

Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

computer parts posted:

It doesn't help when you repeat lies and vaguely disguised misogynist statements.

Uranium Phoenix posted:

Would you like to actually point to a concrete example, or would you rather do that thing you usually do where you get people to try and guess what your argument is?

computer parts posted:

You have made accusations that the Democratic Establishment intentionally keeps progressive candidates suppressed in order to cater to big business donors and their interests.

Majorian posted:

You're going to have to prove that that's a lie (as opposed to him just being incorrect or whatever), or a vaguely-disguised misogynist statement.

computer parts posted:

"Lie" in this context refers to a deliberately false statement spread by someone and repeated by others. He doesn't have to believe it's a lie in order for it to be one.

Like the recent statement about Hillary calling Bernie supporters losers who live in their parents' basement - someone took it out of context in order to spread it to uninformed people.

You still haven't actually bothered to point to a concrete example, any evidence, and apparently have ignored that you claimed I was making "vaguely disguised misogynist statements." Instead, you gave us a definition of "lie" (thanks!) and then went off on some tangent no one was talking about or cares about. Would you like to (1) retract the dumb things you said, (2) provide any sort of backing to your argument whatsoever, or (3) continue to make vague, unsubstantiated posts? (I know which one I think you'll choose!)

If you're thinking that the Democractic party doesn't cater to businesses that donate to it or the money that funds it is a lie, you're utterly delusional.

Uranium Phoenix fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Oct 4, 2016

# ¿ Oct 4, 2016 14:57

Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

Kristov posted:

As for why your average American inherently distrusts Clinton, while trusting her husband or Obama for doing the same drat things... I'm really finding it difficult to come up with anything other than culturally ingrained sexism, the yields of propaganda, or her just being a huge dork.

I don't really know anyone who distrusts Hillary but trusts Bill or Obama. I don't think it's a very large demographic. They all have the same fundamental political views.

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Uranium Phoenix: Jun 20, 2007; Boom.

Kristov posted:

That demographic is pretty much "everyone who doesn't vote straight ticket republican" subtracted by "everyone who isn't already in the bag for Hillary". So I dunno, probably 10 - 20 percent of the eligible voter population on any given day. That's a pretty sizable chunk.

Do you have evidence for that, or are you just guessing?

computer parts posted:

Bernie is a rarity. Most of the time, there is no progressive primary challenger, or--as we can see with Bernie/Hilary--the Democratic party puts barriers in front of those candidates and strongly backs incumbents or more moderate/conservative candidates. This makes it an uphill fight for populist, left-leaning candidates, and so the Democrats shouldn't be surprised that after decades of suppressing the left side of their party, the party is more right-wing, and left-leaning voters don't like it.

In case you can't tell, this is a direct quote of you literally saying the Democratic Establishment conspires to suppress Progressives.

You could have posted "3", and saved yourself some trouble. Did you want to provide any sort of evidence, or are we just to take the word of famed poster "computer parts" as the unassailable truth?

Majorian posted:

You're going to have to prove that that's a lie (as opposed to him just being incorrect or whatever), or a vaguely-disguised misogynist statement.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2016 15:46

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