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Probably her bloodthirsty imperialism abroad and her open racism at home. It was p.funny seeing her "apologise" for the superpredators thing though, on stage to an audience of millions going "okay yeah so I did say that black children are predatory supermutants who can walk on the ceiling and drink blood, and that therefore they should be all locked up forever, but that was on accident! I just tripped over my own tongue and accidentally did racism throughout the multi day process of speech-writing and practising, totally unintentional". Honestly I expect her face to melt under stage lighting one day. She's not any kind of human I'd recognise; the important poo poo like empathy or shame isn't there.
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PupsOfWar posted:Hillary is moderately hawkish (by American standards, meaning a foaming-at-the-mouth warmonger by certain other standards), supported criminal-justice/anti-drug reforms that devastated minority and low-income communities over the past two decades, discredited and gaslit younger, more vulnerable women who were victims of her husband's sexual predation, encouraged American allies to allow dangerous and unethical industrial processes, and participated prominently in the third-way movement that stood by while organized labor and social safety nets were gutted throughout the western world. I think what the clintons did to welfare in the 90s is a bit more than standing by.
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Oct 3, 2016 19:21
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Darko posted:How old were you in the 90s? There was a ridiculous amount of paranoia about youths/gangs/etc. then before we had the time to observe and realize that generation grew up better than the one before it. Nobody likes what she said, but it was an understandable mistake at that place in time for someone who tries to be so populist. You give someone a bit of a benefit of the doubt once they show that they recognize their mistakes/issues instead of constantly focusing on stuff from 20 years ago. No it was racist. It's not an understandable "mistake", it was her actual thoughts. That the nice innocent whites have to be protected, you know, from those people. This makes her sudden pandering to black issues extremely suspect.
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Oct 3, 2016 22:19
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computer parts posted:I would think if anyone would be "Suddenly Pandering" it'd be Bernie Sanders, who signed the exact same crime bill and notably didn't care about anyone outside of Vermont* until a year ago. Nice whattaboutism. I don't like Bernie Sanders so I dunno why you'd bring him up to deflect criticism of noted war criminal and racist fake meme liker Hillary Clinton.
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Oct 3, 2016 22:31
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boner confessor posted:bernie sanders is also a racist. he is more racist than hillary clinton. pretty much anyone older than 30 is racist Okay. But this is the Hillary Clinton thread, about Hillary Clinton, and why people don't like her. If you'd like to look in Bernie Sanders threads you'll find I've shat on him in those already 
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Oct 3, 2016 22:36
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boner confessor posted:yeah, and one reason people don't like her is because of thirty years of poorly sourced smears that are easy mantras for the gullible, like pointing out she said superpredator one time like pretty much all politicians did in the 1990's crime wave Poorly sourced smears like a thing that she herself said in front of TV cameras? I dunno that seems like it's not a smear because A) it's true and B) it has the best source, direct video footage of her doing it.
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Oct 3, 2016 22:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uCrA7ePno she never said this. it's just a smear. there's no source!!!!
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Oct 3, 2016 22:40
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She didn't say black, she just talked about gangs Pictured, a typical early 90s gang from those high crime areas "everyone" (white people) was freaking out about :  All just a big coincidence. I'm sure with all the hood movies and the war on drugs and gangsta rap the public consciousness totally didn't think gang=black then at all, after all there was those huge famous white street gangs in LA and new york like... oh wait nevermind. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Oct 3, 2016 22:44
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You love a racist who speaks in dog whistles and participates in coups. Sorry.
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Oct 3, 2016 22:47
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Lovable center left Hillary, editing new printings of her autobiography to remove the part where she talked about the need to set up a new government in honduras as quickly as possible to make sure the president the military overthrew couldn't get back into power. It's pretty funny how publicly she still insists what happened was legal and democratic but internal us govt reports are quite unambiguous, it was a big time illegal coup and she knows this. There's also the hatian minimum wage thing. Real Hillary slay queen feminism is using diplomatic pressure to make sure the women of your colonies don't earn too much money i guess.
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Oct 3, 2016 23:07
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instead of being with the horrible lady you could be with the sturggle to reform america into a democracy instead
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Oct 4, 2016 00:00
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Main Paineframe posted:People hate Hillary for three reasons: have you ever considered that "most qualified and well-connected" in the contest of american imperial politics is actually terrifying rather than appealing and also that you're hella dumb if you wanna go all earplugs and say the haiti stuff or the honduras stuff, or the contents of her own speeches are just "smears"
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Oct 4, 2016 00:47
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Mel Mudkiper posted:ok cool which candidate is that organized civil disobedience along with a black panthers-esue revolutionary movement
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Oct 4, 2016 00:49
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The american political system will never present you with the chance of a decent human being getting into a meaningful position of power, because it's designed with a set of checks and balances specifically to make sure that can't happen, so the logical conclusion is to destroy it. That's literally the only meaningful thing you could do.
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Oct 4, 2016 00:52
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Tell you what, give us a nice five-point ten year plan about how we can start the revolution given the current state of the American electorate That's a job for Americans, not me. Maybe if you weren't so loving lazy as to want everything handed to you, you'd have done it already.
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Oct 4, 2016 00:58
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OwlFancier posted:He thinks socialism in one country is a good idea that will work. I know you like to be Fig. 1 of what Michael Parenti was talking about when he described Pure Socialists but you could at least try some internal consistency - using "socialism in one country" as a cudgel against me won't work when you need to talk about the spread of "stalinist" satellite states that were controlled by moscow or w/e later. tho i would like to see your reconciliation of what you imply "socialism in one country" means with socialism then showing up all over eurasia, south america and africa, while "permanent revolution" lead to no revolutions. Mel Mudkiper posted:Ah yes, the classic Marxist mantra of "Class warfare is restricted to geopolitical borders. The proletariat of other nations are on their own" tell you what, you buy me a plane ticket and somewhere to live, as well as a cash fund big enough for 10 or 20 years, and i'll start you another american communist party. i'm not sure why you'd expect someone to found your next revolution from a bedsit in england? HorseLord fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 01:11
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Mel Mudkiper posted:wow look at Che Guevara over here lol that's a sincere offer. couple hundred thousand dollars, somewhere to live and a US visa and i'll absolutely dedicate my life to american revolutionary politics with a party office and political education lessons and serve the people programs and poo poo, because that's a coherent idea, that's a thing that i (or you! you're already in america!) could conceivably do. earnestly asking someone from a different country to send you how_to_create_american_revolution.pdf and then declaring them fake marxists when they roll their eyes is not a coherent idea
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Oct 4, 2016 01:22
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OwlFancier posted:I'd suggest that it also led to the cold war which did wonders to further entrench capitalism in the rest of the world, and most socialist countries have now integrated quite a lot of capitalism into their societies as well, which is a key contributing factor to why they are no longer as ostracised. future historians will note this day as the time owlfancier almost discovered dialectics
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Oct 4, 2016 01:23
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not entirely comfortable with dialectics + nuclear weapons, especially when it didn't work last time. i don't know how you made the post you just replied to more cruel towards you in it's accuracy than I already intended it to be, but you just pulled it off i mean, god drat, you have no idea at all. none
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Oct 4, 2016 01:30
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Bip Roberts posted:WHat does hillary ever need to do to win the stalinist vote? if she strapped herself up with a dynamite vest and blew the whole loving us government away with her in one go it'd be cool but i don't think dynamite would be enough (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 4, 2016 01:41
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am a firm believer in once its election season, find the best choice and help them win. Once they win, they are the enemy until they are up for re-election again. I've seen where feet dragging about the candidate not being "good enough" leads. It leads to the other guy winning and things being objectively worse. this is hilarious because it's "we can try to go left next time, but this time we have to vote against the greater evil" which you idiots have been saying every single election since your country was founded. you're stuck in a loving time loop and it's by choice, you morons. do something else
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Oct 4, 2016 06:08
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meristem posted:Nope. This would be dumb. Politics is based on personal connections, so this just means that she's qualified to do her job. Her job is bad, idiot. her job is bad. the job she's trying to get now? also bad. you're literally praising her for being the best qualified psychopath international criminal
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Oct 4, 2016 13:45
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Mel Mudkiper posted:we can't all start the revolution whining from our bedrooms bro the offer to come to your country and do it for real is open, "bro", not my fault you're too pussy to take it. i accept paypal if you change your mind
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Oct 4, 2016 14:21
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sean10mm posted:I don't know if we've reached peek teenage edgelord yet, but by God it's not for lack of trying! he got mad that i wouldn't personally hand in an american revolution on a plate, as if such a thing is possible. instead, i offered to come help work towards one in real life, if he's willing to help me with the barriers to doing so, namely being in a different country and being bankrupt. nothing edgelord about making a reasonable offer
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Oct 4, 2016 14:34
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Nevvy Z posted:I don't think anyone is mad at you, but you sure do talk a lot of poo poo about all the super hardcore radicalism you pretend to want to engage in. How many Che shirts do you own? Looks like I touched a nerve! And zero.
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Oct 4, 2016 15:08
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ltugo posted:Speaking as a member of the intelligence community i know job-role obscuring euphemisms are popular but why do you say "intelligence community" unironically. why not just say you work for a spy agency. that's what it is. you're not a janitor, you don't need to hide behind calling yourself a "deputy hygiene manager" are you a floor sweeper or security guard in an NSA datacenter or something
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Oct 4, 2016 15:43
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it sounds really dumb and embarrassing way to refer to your career and makes you sound like you're a janitor
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also we should ask more broadly why so much of america looks like it was done as a joke but is actually serious. you gave your president a theme song. everyone has to do a weird salute when the national anthem plays, which is usually also when military jets fly over football stadiums for some reason. your money talks about god in an attempt to spite russia. do you not know how weird this looks
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Oct 4, 2016 16:47
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Lightning Knight posted:Hillary isn't perfect, mind you, and dismissing criticism of her is silly. But the reality is that the most powerful country in the history of the world cannot and should not be allowed to fall to fascism because god help us all of it does. Accelerationism does not and never will work. i like how you imagine your figurehead position going to donal tump will suddenly make the fascism happen and not say, all of american history and behaviour from the beginning to the present day, including that of clinton's i imagine the difference between a fascist america and a non fascist america is basically that they don't even bother with the lip service to democracy anymore. you already have a police state, extensive dissident surpression programs and black sites, notorious human rights abuses and both offical and unoffical colonies, i'm not sure what you expect would be all that different
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Oct 4, 2016 17:37
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TomViolence posted:The crimes against humanity would be happening on American soil, rather than extraterritorially like it usually does. Do keep up. those already happen on american soil and i'm not sure why doing it outside america is supposed to be better
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Oct 4, 2016 17:39
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WampaLord posted:A ban on Muslim immigration and deporting 11 million immigrants would be a pretty big difference. I would say The Wall too, but we all know it would never actually be built. the USA already deports every single "illegal" it can find, also 580 miles of the anti-mexican wall already exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier btw how could trump deport people on his own? is america's government already set up as a dictatorship, but you can replace them like lightbulbs or something?
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Oct 4, 2016 17:40
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Lightning Knight posted:Hm, are you, say, a white straight male tankie from a majority white First World country talking about how electing a fascist who will happily rubber stamp the agenda of the fascist party he's running for So the republicans are a fascist party, and America has a two party political system, meaning roughly half of your political sphere is fascist, and has apparently been this way for a long time. Okay, you know that actually proves my point - trump is not the thing that decides if your country is fascist or not. the fascism is already there. this isn't like cutting the head off of whatshisname, the lord of the rings badguy, the orcs aren't going to go poof and disappear. its weird that you admit that your country and it's political life is deeply, deeply sick, but also you think that just one guy decides if everything is bad or not. we're currently lacking a hitler but that doesn't stop nazis from causing us trouble, still Lightning Knight posted:won't make a difference because you're privileged enough that it won't affect you? i'm actually poor and live in a slum HMO in a country that's been solidly in the US imperial sphere for seventy years, you might remember that our economy tanked 9 years ago, and still hasn't recovered, because of economic policy created by americans. and also one of our two-parties is destroyed utterly due to the long term consequences of being in the US Military Bloc. Lightning Knight posted:That's absurd, though, a well-meaning, right-thinking leftist would never throw minorities under the bus like that! Hillary Clinton throws minorities under the bus. Obama throws them under the bus. America is an endless stream of throwing minorities under the bus - I'm not sure how me pointing this out makes me the one who's doing it? Lightning Knight posted:Fascism is also defined primarily by an imperial expansionist policy, and as of recently the United States hasn't been annexing or permanently conquering anyone. I'm sure you, as a good Englishman, would abhor the idea of Britain as the 51st State. That would mean you'd have to live in America. It's actually not (peep that spain) but to describe the US as not an imperial or expansionist power is pretty funny. you're literally trying to destroy the government of Syria so you can install one more favourable to your interests. you also tried that with Lybia and hosed it up really badly, before that Iraq and Afghanistan, that one at least a couple of times. and there's all the south america poo poo too - literally the argument you will try and present now is that these don't count because they have de jure (but not de facto) independence, and how owning their entire economies is a mere coincidence HorseLord fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 18:00
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WampaLord posted:This "one guy" would have full control over the largest military force on the planet. unless your military command structure has changed recently, no he wouldn't
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Oct 4, 2016 18:03
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WampaLord posted:Do you understand what Commander in Chief means? it most definitely doesn't mean "has unchecked and unlimited power". if donny tump rolls out of bed at 4am and demands to nuke the north pole they'd just declare him unfit for his position
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Oct 4, 2016 18:06
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Lightning Knight posted:And for the low, low price of a few hundred thousand dollars, you too, random tankie on the internet, can come to America and set up another failed third party attempt that will never breach the edge of obscurity! you owned yourself by admitting that there's more to america's fascism than an old man with bad hair and now you're playing it off cool
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Oct 4, 2016 18:08
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WampaLord posted:Okay, so you have literally no understanding of how the government works. says man who thinks only one person decides if a country goes to war
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Oct 4, 2016 18:09
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Lightning Knight posted:I've never disagreed that there is more to American fascism than Donald Trump. Our entire sociopolitical system is rotten at the foundations, same as any other country. Unlike you, I don't labor under the assumption that I can magically make the proletariat decide to abandon their entire lives and livelihoods on a whim to be murdered by the government in a failed revolution. I like to live in reality, rather than pretend I can pull unicorns out of my rear end. actually i recognise that replacing america with an actually humane country will be difficult, where we differ is that i'm not a huge pussy collaborator who justifies defending something he claims to think is bad as "realism"
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Um sweaty i know the third reich is bad but you can't just like, pull a better one out of your rear end, so be realistic and join the SS like me - Lightning Knight, 1939
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Lightning Knight posted:yes, the Third Reich, famous fascist power that totally wasn't defeated by largest armed military coalition of capitalist and authoritarian communist powers in the history of the human race, both of whom immediately collapsed into shitthrowing and slapfighting known as the Cold War. whoooosh Lightning Knight posted:But no, tell me more about your Assad apologism, because it's totally ok to support dictators who use chemical weapons on their own people when they stand against America. i don't know if anyone has told you this but nothing the Syrian government (which is more than just one man you don't like) does within its borders justifies america trying to destroy the country also, you literally live in a country that uses chemical weapons on its own people. every time your "police" army occupies a town where there's a state murder protest out come the CS gas grenades, so i'm not sure you're coming in to this with clean hands?
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10 warning signs of liberal imperialism posted:#1: You frequently find yourself advocating that the United States send troops, drones, weapons, Special Forces, or combat air patrols to some country that you have never visited, whose language(s) you don’t speak, and that you never paid much attention to until bad things started happening there. which one of these are you? tag your friends
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