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Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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I think a few people are a bit too eager to write this show off based on the premise and intro, even if I can't really them. Still, the show's progressing at a good pace so far, and there's no real reason to believe that it's going to ruin the tone it's setting for itself.

The girl at the beginning of episode 1 looks like Cranberry, so she clearly already knows more than anyone else. She's also one of the only girls who isn't in a group, which would make sense if she already knows what's up. Based on her reaction at the start of episode 2, Calamity Mary either knows more about what's going on as well, or she's just already resolved to using violence to win.

Kytrarewn posted:

Something about Yuuki Yuuna hit me harder than Madoka did, but I realize that I'm in a small, small minority here.

I wouldn't say that Yuuki Yuuna had a bigger impact on me than Madoka, but I will say that it definitely touched me in a similar way.

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Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Sneak peek of episode 3 is up, and it looks like Magicaloid 44 is finally going to show up! :awesomelon:

Raenir Salazar posted:

I like the character of Souta a lot. It strikes me as something genuinely inclusive about non-binary gender stuff, the show earns a lot of goodwill from me even if Souta probably gets it. :(

The scenes where Souta and Koyuki sit around and chat about being a magical girl have been some of my favorites so far.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Cat's out of the bag, and they're already turning on each other. I have a sneaking suspicion that Cranberry had that conversation with Fav knowing the other girls would find it.

I'm really enjoying Top Speed's happy-go-lucky attitude, which is a really bad sign of things to come.

Magicaloid 44 finally shows up, and she is a cold-blooded little robot. It's an even split over who's going to stab who in the back between her and Calamity Mary.

You can tell La Pucelle is a boy from the way she sits. Speaking of La Pucelle, she raised so many death flags when she made that promise to Snow White.

It's clear now that Swim Swim was the girl Nemurin was talking to in the last dream she visited.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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She's also magically strong.



That doesn't mean she's a good fighter, of course.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Kytrarewn posted:

Right- I get that. The question is what counts as "use of powers on other magical girls?".

I'll give you a better example. SnowWhite falls off of her radio tower. She presumably lands, unhurt. Top Speed, using her magical powers, flies Snow White up to the same height as the tower, and drops her. Is she injured upon landing, or not? Clearly, that's offensive use of Top Speed's powers, but I'd be hard pressed to say that one should cause damage while the other doesn't in most magic systems. What if she were flown to twice the height of the tower and dropped over a harder surface? Much more damage would be caused in the absence of invulnerability, but the system isn't described as being some sort of damage threshold, just "You get hurt by magical bullets".

In this situation, I imagine that Top Speed would probably have to throw or drive her into the ground in order for it to do any actual damage. Maybe she would carry her up and then do some fancy move where she smacks her down with her broom in the middle of the air.

Now you've got me wondering what a fighting game based around this anime would look like.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Et tu, Swim Swim? :hist101:

I knew who it was going to be, but the buildup and the reveal were really good. That poor woman spent the last moments of her life surrounded by people who were happy she was dying, and the only person in the world who cared about her was the one who set her up.

There was more blood this time than with Nemurin.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Swims probably did admire her genuinely, I'm assuming admiration turned to envy with Dream Girl's prodding; magic would probably be the probable explanation given it seems rather sudden or people picked to be magical girls aren't too mentally healthy to begin with.

Snow White and La Pucelle are the only two who we can say are well-adjusted. Top Speed is good-hearted, but we know that she's a former delinquent. We haven't seen enough of Sister Nana or Weiss to know what they're like, other than that they're really close. The Angels and Tama may have just had the bad luck of falling under Ruler's thumb, and that probably changed them for the worse. We're probably going to learn something about Swim Swim's home life that explains why she's the way she is, and we already know that Ripple isn't on speaking terms with her mother. God knows what Calamity Mary's normal life is like, and the new girl already has 'obsessed stalker' written all over her. I can't even begin to make a guess on Magicaloid 44, but she's already shown herself to be pretty unsympathetic to the others.

It wouldn't surprise me if the selection process wasn't random. I still suspect that Cranberry is pulling some strings in the background.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Magicaloid 44 is a straight-up con artist. She uses her amazing magical powers to swindle other magical girls. I took a liking to her because of her character design, but after seeing her in this episode, she's my favorite character. Her backstory and Cranberry and Weiss' fight made for a great episode.

So, now it's clear that Cranberry and Fav are working together at the expense of the other girls. It looks like the only thing Cranberry wants is a worthy opponent to fight, so maybe this whole setup is her reward for winning the bloodbath at the start of the first episode. We don't know what that little bastard Fav is getting out of this, though.

The Peaky Angels can't win in a fight, so they're resorting to cyberbullying to win. It's going to be interesting to see how one reacts if (when) the other dies.

As far as Nana's true intentions are, it probably has something to do with that group photo she and Weiss have in their apartment, and whatever happened to the people in it.

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

Hardgore Alice is my new favorite name.

It looks like Alice is the Homura of this anime.

Cialis Railman posted:

I wonder when Snow White'll begin her descent. She and La Pucelle are still playing Cardcaptors while everyone else is playing Game of Thrones. :v:

I wanted to quote this just because it's a really good way of phrasing their situation.



This whole scene was excellent, but this shot in particular was really nice.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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poo poo, my favorite character! :( RIP Magicaloid 44, unless she lied and bought that Rabbit's Foot like I'm desperately hoping she did.

It's tragicomic that Magicaloid was a middle-school dropout and runaway who not only didn't want to be a magical girl in the first place, but also didn't even get to choose what she would look like. She was a victim of circumstances from beginning to end.


I am just blown away by how quickly things escalated this episode, not just in violence but in cruelty towards the characters and the viewer. The whole buying system for items was cold hearted enough, but that fight was just plain heartless. For a moment, it really did look like La Pucelle was going to win that fight, and then they just callously yank that hope away from you and dash it on the side of the road.

Swim Swim's building up to something big, and I'm really looking forward to it catching everyone off-guard.

Ripple and Top Speed are still doing community service while everyone else is spilling each others' blood like they were in a Verhoeven movie.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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AnoHito posted:

I'm also kind of surprised how okay I was with La Pucelle dying. In the end, it was her stupid hubris, her stupid code of honor, and her stupid, stupid, pointless death.

There is no room for innocence in the Magical Girl Raising Project. The naive and the idealistic are brutally killed, while the cruel and the cynical are... also brutally killed.

Actually, Snow White and Tama have both hit on a winning strategy of curling up into a little ball and whimpering.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Well, Magicaloid's definitely dead, then. :rip: :awesomelon:

Calamity Mary was the big star of this episode. I don't know if I should call what happened there a fight, but it was definitely memorable, especially since Mary still technically lost.

Cialis Railman posted:

I wonder if Cranberry's even a person and not, like, an NPC that found her way into the real world.

Considering the very first scene in the series, I'd say she's most likely a real person.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Desuwa posted:

Sister Nana continues to be awful though.

Sister Nana is so aggressively, desperately naive, that it keeps bouncing between endearing and pathetic. It doesn't help her that Weiss is enabling her storybook view of the world and their situation.

I wonder how she would've reacted if Snow White had told her exactly what happened when Magicaloid died.

Adelheid posted:

I was wondering what the limits were to Alice' regeneration. But now that she's been shown to be essentially immortal, I'm kind of expecting her to get candied out...

At this point, I don't think the magical candies are going to be an issue anymore. Whatever happens to Alice is probably going to involve Snow White, and it's probably going to end up being one of the most significant events in the series.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Phobophilia posted:

swim swim's plan also looks p on point

Ruler would be so proud of her.

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nielsm posted:

Wasn't it Ripple in the flashback with the abusive replacement father? I'd think that was a sign she's on her way out.

Her flashback happened in the middle of the episode and was a little more detailed, so I think she's safe for now. If a magical girl has her background dumped into the pre-credit sequence, that's when you have to start worrying about them.

Silver2195 posted:

I kind of think Sister Nana semi-deliberately cultivates her own naivete, to the point where Weiss's enabling is part of the reason she loves Weiss in the first place. That might be reading too much into it, though.

I think you're right, it looks like her starry-eyed attitude is some kind of defense mechanism she put into place after something traumatic happened to her and Weiss.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Good god, Swim Swim may be cold-blooded, but Mary's a monster! :stonk:

Speaking of cold-blooded, that Angel stabbed Weiss with her own sister! :gonk:

On top of everything else that's happening, Sister Nana and the surviving Peaky Angel are both going mad with grief, and now they're all going to be together in one place. The next episode's title implies that Fav and Cranberry are going to implement a new rule in the game, which they'll probably do in response to what the other girls do when they see each other. I don't think Mary is going to last another episode, and I suspect that Cranberry is going to look at Swim Swim and see a kindred spirit instead of a target.

Mary's sarcastic little chant when she transformed was funny.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Cialis Railman posted:

She's gonna get hit and spontaneously give birth and ripple's going to have to take care of the kid.

The baby's first word will be "tch!"

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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I don't think Magicaloid was unemotional, or had any problems with her emotions as a result of becoming a magical girl. She didn't have any problems hamming it up while conning Sister Nana, and she understood and appreciated Mary's backhanded compliment. She was just withdrawn very self-serving, which is understanding considering her life before becoming a magical girl, and the fact that she didn't want to be a magical girl in the first place. She had an attitude of dissatisfaction and looking out for number one, which is why she didn't have a problem conning Sister Nana or trying to ally herself with Mary.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Tragic because she isn't the one who designed her character to be that way.

If it turns out that the process of choosing a magical girl wasn't random, I wouldn't be surprised if Fav thought it would be funny to pick someone who was just messing around on her friend's phone.

The little bastard.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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She can trap her enemies under a giant steak, and they would take too much time savoring each bite trying to eat their way out.

Command Ant
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Ytlaya posted:

Here is a link to a google doc with the images of all the characters: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-xISSOHEupLdocxVHMCxdycS-L6OIdDIbDFlOgNQHqQ/edit

Cool, they have a Hong Meiling lookalike.

Lord Koth posted:

Honestly, the Peaky Angels were utterly pathetic. "We've got the powers to turn into, respectively, any living form, and any non-living form. We'll use this to, wait for it, sneak up on someone by disguising ourselves as someone they know, and stabbing them with a knife!"'

I don't think they were smart enough to really put their powers to good use. The only plans they ever thought up on their own were a flattering internet video and a series of insulting comments about the other girls. If they hadn't been shanghaied by Ruler, they probably would have ended up dead sooner.

Lord Koth also posted:

I mean, she turned into a goddamn invisibility cloak, there can't be that many limits on the drat power.

The Invisibility Cloak was something Swim Swim bought for the team back when Fav was offering magical items in exchange for years of their lives, actually. :goonsay:

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Oh god, they actually went there, and then they went somewhere else I wasn't expecting them to go! I suppose there really wasn't any other way for Sister Nana to go out, considering that her reason for being a magical girl and for living was dead. Still, showing her hanging herself in a dark apartment with Weiss' scarf really twisted the knife after seeing Top Speed die. This show has reached Higurashi-levels of cruelty towards its characters.

Ripple, Snow White, and Alice are the only ones left that we would feel any grief over losing. Everyone else, it would just be cathartic.

I hope we get some backstory on Swim Swim soon, and why she's such a horrid little monster. I was willing to reserve some sympathy for her, because maybe she comes from a broken home and that's why she's so cold-blooded, but then she stabbed a pregnant woman.

Miss Nomer posted:

In the LN Ripple throws a window at Calamity Mary who shot at it thinking Ripple and Top Speed were behind it. The window shattered but still was infused with Ripple's "can't miss a target" magic and cause Calamity Mary to turn into a giant pin cushion.

That's what I was expecting would happen when Ripple tossed all of that broken glass at Mary, or at least that some of it would get in her eyes.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Even if the fight had ended like that in the anime, everything probably would have happened off-screen, with only the blood and no on-screen piercing being shown.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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I thought Snow White and Alice were going to make it all the way to the end together. Black and white really were pretty together... :qq:

The rabbit's foot is going to have to come into play sooner or later, considering how much the show loves taunting us with it. I was really hoping it would be this episode.

To the people here who complained about the reason why they were cutting it down to four instead of eight, you'll be happy to know that Fav agrees with you.



Congratulations, you're like Fav! :colbert:

Seriously, though, based on their conversation, it looks like Fav isn't entirely in control of this whole thing. It looks like he's following Cranberries orders, at least as far as the sadistic details go, in order to get what he wants. Maybe he is just as coldly amoral as Kyubey, then.

I've been putting off reading the novels until now to avoid any real spoilers, but since there are only two episodes left (I think), I might as well go ahead and start.

The last angel went out exactly like she deserved, as an afterthought.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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No Magicaloid 44 shirt. :sigh:

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Jesus Christ, Tama! :stonk:

Poor Tama, her only role in this series was to have her frailty and innocence repeatedly crushed by the cruelty of this series. At least she got to go out in a spectacular fashion. The look of dull confusion on Cranberry's face before she died was an especially nice touch.

Ripple's memories of Top Speed were heartbreaking, especially the fact that she had to carry the corpse of her best friend and surrogate mother back to her home.

Desuwa posted:

As for the beginning with Clamberry they changed it a bit from the novels. In the novels one of the girls just happened to have the ability to summon a demon but, evidently, not control it, and it killed everyone during what was supposed to be an almost entirely peaceful selection process. Clamberry going from zero to blood knight in five seconds was also pretty clumsy.

Okay, because I got the feeling from Fav's reaction that he set it up so that the monster would go berserk and start killing everyone. If that's the case, then it's probably safe to say that Fav isn't so much a manipulator as much as he is just an opportunist?

Command Ant
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Raenir Salazar posted:

e: It's amazing how much better Ruler looks in hindsight.

I thought so too, until I remembered that she conscripted Tama and the others to be shields in her revenge against Calamity Mary.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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That was a satisfying last episode. They set everything up with the magical items, and it all paid off pretty well. Swim Swim's death was pretty anticlimactic, although it still stayed within the tone of the show. It was more satisfying watching Fav try to talk his way out of the detestable hole he had dug himself into before Ripple shut him up. I think I hate Fav more the Kyubey because of this episode.

Looking back at it, the culmination of everything was Snow White being forced not to abandon her principles, but to find a way to hold onto them in a world that is often cruel and cynical. She had find a way to live up to them in a way that didn't require the sacrifice of other people. She could still be a hero, but she had to stop being a child, and that meant making sacrifices of her own.

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Command Ant
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I think they did a good job of avoiding the pitfalls that a show like this could have dropped into. Most of the deaths had some meaning and impact behind them, and weren't there just for the sake of killing someone.

Most of them, because there's no way anyone was going to care about the Peaky Angels dying.

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