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Watching this show just makes me pissed off because at least half the girls are trash human beings without even an excuse for being sociopaths*. I can understand them killing each other reluctantly out of neccesity, but so far every magical girl that has killed has done so with zero hesitation or remorse. At least Ruler (who was also a terrible person - if her backstory was supposed to make me sympathize with her, it definitely failed), the robot, and one of the angels have been wiped out. Speaking of the angels, at first I was attributing their behavior to the cruelty of children, but it turns out they're loving college students! Jesus, I hope the last few episodes are just Snow White, Sister Nana, Top Speed, Ripple, and Hardgore Alice violently beating the poo poo out of Calamity Mary (who was also a god drat child abuser!), Swim Swim, Cranberry, and the remaining angel girl. This show is bad for my blood pressure. Oh, one other poster mentioned something about it not being a cynical show because the girls were driven to violence by Fav. I don't buy that; not a single one who has killed has been morally conflicted about doing so. * Speaking of this, was it ever explained why Magicaloid 44, who seemed to just be some random young woman who hangs out with a homeless guy, was totally cool with violently murdering young girls? Edit: Also, if something happens to Top Speed (which it probably will) I'm going to be really upset because she is my favorite character and one of only two of the characters I like (the other being La Pucelle)? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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I don't think that even people from bad family situations suddenly become capable of callous murder against random people they don't know, though (much less murder against someone who is obviously a good person and not aggressive). The only sort up upbringing that really justifies that is being a child soldier or something. Regarding the cynicism thing, yeah, I agree it's not cynical about magical girls themselves. I was just thinking that it *is* cynical about humans in general, though it's entirely possible that half the girls chosen were sociopaths on purpose in order to ensure conflict. I had also forgotten about Swim Swim being a child, though her actions are bizarre even for a 7/8 year old (children might lash out with cruel impulses, but they generally don't calmly and rationally seek to literally kill others unless there's something very wrong with them). I'm actually enjoying the show; it's just that for some reason "people who act somewhat normal and then are randomly cool with murder" annoys me more than "obviously crazy or weird sociopath" (for example Calamity Mary). As one other note, I am happy Hardgore seems to be at least a somewhat good person. I was predicting she would be (since her appearance was more threatening I expected a twist), but it's still nice. Phobophilia posted:also ruler was clearly never sympathetic, she just rocks up to her workplace and starts pushing some nutso darwinian rationalization and expected that she would float to the top of the chaos. she read some guide-to-leadership webpage and that fed into her huge ego, without actually understanding how to motivate people to follow your instructions. she could not rule through either love nor fear This is how I interpreted it, though I got the impression that the show was trying to reveal that she had suffered from Japanese workplace sexism (which would have actually been a sufficient justification for her being an rear end in a top hat, just not her murdering folks).
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Desuwa posted:Magicaloid was in middle school and I got the sense that her transformation made her really logical and detached. She is even surprised that she feels nothing, and it's probably not because she's supposed to be a sociopath. Ah, I must have been confused because of her living with that other woman (who seemed at least college-aged). And yeah, if the transformations affect personality it would be an interesting explanation for things, though the fact that we haven't seen it hinted at with the main characters makes me doubt that's normally the case.
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So I started reading ahead with the LN translations, and I feel like the story is heading a bit too strongly in a "killing/depressing poo poo porn" direction. It's still interesting and I want to know what happens, but it's a little predictable in the sense that you can usually expect anything you really don't want to happen to end up happening. I like how Snow White flat out says (this doesn't really spoil anything specific, but just in case) "what the gently caress is wrong with all these crazy assholes, gently caress this". edit: Wow, a bunch of LN volumes have been translated. I'm happy to have another escapist anime book to read that isn't total poo poo (like most WNs/LNs). edit2: By the way, the LN does a better job of explaining Ruler's background. The anime just sort of indicates that she was a smug perfectionist rear end in a top hat and hated people because they didn't take her seriously, but the LN emphasizes that her issues primarily stemmed from her completely neglecting any sort of social skills during her life and having no idea how to properly interact with people. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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To be clear, I was only referring to the rest of the Volume 1 (which encompasses the anime season); it seems like the story is actually going in an interesting direction in future volumes, and I read that the volumes generally progressively get better.Lucy Heartfilia posted:its kinda hosed up that nemurin got the power to show up in peoples dreams and then got told that dream poo poo doesnt count I think that the powers are dependent upon the girl's specific personality, so Fav (or whoever) doesn't know what sort of power they're going to get when he makes them into a magical girl. edit: By the way, apparently Swim Swim is 11, not 7/8 like I had previously thought. 11 is old enough to know that killing people is wrong, so I think it's safe to say that her actions can be interpreted as her also being a sociopath rather than just child-like innocence/naivety. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nemurin is actually lucky that she got to have a relatively peaceful death, since she probably would have been violently murdered by one of the other sociopath girls otherwise. Related to the girls sometimes getting weird/useless powers, one of the magical girls in the next LN volume has the power to "cook delicious food." An enjoyable power to be sure, but it's kind of useless for both helping people and fighting (though watch there be some creative way it can be used later or something).
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Some of the magical girls in volume 2 have neat designs. There's this one called Masked Wonder that is based off of American superheroes and is wearing a spandex-looking suit. Here is a link to a google doc with the images of all the characters: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-xISSOHEupLdocxVHMCxdycS-L6OIdDIbDFlOgNQHqQ/edit Masked Wonder is in the bottom left of the second page. I'm also really curious to meet the detective one (I think the Japanese says her ability is to "talk to buildings", which could be really useful in certain situations). The one in the top left of the first page, Clantail, seems to have one of the lamest powers I've seen yet, unless I'm misunderstanding it somehow; she can transform the bottom half of her body into the bottom half of any animal. The first time she uses it is to turn it into a crocodile for a fight, and I had a lot of trouble trying to picture how a half-crocodile human would look. It also sounds like an inferior version of that one Peaky Angels twin who could turn into any life form.
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Command Ant posted:Cool, they have a Hong Meiling lookalike. That character's name is @NyanNyan, which I guess may be her twitter handle or something? I haven't gotten far enough to learn much about her yet.
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Desuwa posted:I knew this was coming and it was still rough. Wait, they changed that? I thought that was one of the more cool/creative uses of a character's power (throwing a big glass pane so that the pieces still continue heading towards their target even after it's been destroyed). In the LN they establish that Calamity Mary is simply too skilled for any sort of normal sneak attack to work, so instead they come up with the glass thing as an attack she wouldn't see coming. Also Top Speed dying was the saddest thing, she was the best character. I think I actually dislike characters like Swim Swim more than characters like Calamity Mary. Calamity Mary is a terrible person, but she's terrible in a way that is more human in nature. Sociopaths like Swim Swim just strike me as aberrations that need to be put down. I could maybe sympathize if she was like 7 years old and had some sad backstory, but (unless they add something to the anime), a good reason is never really given for this 11 year old girl being cool with cold-blooded murder. edit: One thing that doesn't look like it's ever going to be explained is why some magical girls are really good at fighting while others aren't. At first I thought that fighting skills came included with certain powers (for instead Ripple having ninja skills or Calamity Mary having gun skills), but it seems like they don't really start out with anything other than the strength/speed of a magical girl and their magical ability, and that fighting skills are something they can learn later. I guess we're just supposed to assume that either some of the girls who were selected already knew how to fight or they had already been magical girls for a year+ and had been practicing. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Phobophilia posted:swim swim betrayed ruler because ruler was a poo poo leader who couldn't use either love nor fear That wasn't really her rationale for doing so (though it probably does explain why the others cooperated with her). She just interpreted Ruler's instructions literally in a way that lead her to think it was the right decision to kill/depose her.
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chiasaur11 posted:The thing about Kyubey is that he wasn't a rat bastard for the sake of being a rat bastard. He was always working for the same agenda that, from his prospective, was perfectly fair and reasonable. He wasn't even cruel. Cruel is human and understandable. Cruel is a point of connection between the audience and the character. While Kyubey is definitely a better villain character than Fav, Fav doesn't really fill the same roll as Kyubey in the story. The main events of this series (Volume 1 of the LN) make more sense in the context of the series as a whole (where this is only a small portion of the greater plot), though obviously I won't spoil anything about that. Another character in Volume 2 had their power introduced, and it is pretty ridiculous. She ("Genopsycho") has a kind of sci-fi looking spacesuit thing that makes her completely invincible as long as she pulls the visor down. I'm guessing that she's still weak to stuff that isn't direct damage or to having her visor pulled up, but it's definitely Swim Swim/Alice-tier in terms of being pretty ridiculously good.
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Kytrarewn posted:Poor Nana. Top Speed (RIP) got her moment of glory, Nana just got misery Well, Nana was also kind of dumb and was the one who put herself and Weiss into the situation (which was super obviously a trap, something that Weiss even mentioned beforehand) that resulted in Weiss dying in the first place, so she has a pretty good reason to kill herself other than just Weiss dying. Top Speed was a good person without also being naive to the point of stupidity.
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On the upside, there seems to be a better ratio of sane : sociopath girls in Volume 2 (maybe 3:1 as opposed to 1:1 in Volume 1). Probably my biggest issue with Volume 1 was how nearly half of all the characters were cool with cold-blooded murder. I also kind of like how Volume 2 is a mostly new story with a whole new cast of characters, but still advances the main plot some.
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Now that I'm further along in Volume 2, I'm actually liking it a bit more than Volume 1. The setting is pretty interesting and the magical girls involved are also pretty fun and varied in their personalities/powers. edit: Also, "Yumenoshima Genopsycho" is a cool magical girl name edit2: (Minor Volume 2 LN spoilers)Oh poo poo I think I may have figured out who the traitor is and how they've managed to trick everyone else up until now. vvv Sorry, I'll spoiler that! I didn't really have any where else to comment on it and was trying to avoid anything that could be considered a spoiler, but you're right about that. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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So I finished Volume 2. I highly recommend it; it fixed what was probably my biggest issue with Volume 1 (characters doing terrible things for questionable reasons). Pretty much everyone at least had some coherent motive and/or background explaining their actions and everything made sense at the end. I ended up being mostly wrong with my guesses about plot twists (or more accurately I picked up on some of the secondary plot twists but missed the main one). edit: Reading these side stories and Masked Wonder owns: quote:However, the bullets ricochet off the woman, as they gained speed again and began sticking into the walls and breaking windows. edit2: Man, Volume 3 is super thrilling and tense. The story finally seems to be moving into the main overarching plot. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Kytrarewn posted:I'm still enjoying it, I just wish that either the anime respected the author's reported creativity better (The thing involving throwing the window pane with perfect throw in the Ripple/Topspeed vs. Calamity Mary fight was a really cool idea, but the anime diluted it to nearly nothing) or that the author was a bit more creative himself, generally, about tactical uses of powers. Yeah the first arc isn't that great about characters using their powers in creative ways. Later arcs are much better in this regard, particularly the third arc. Regarding Fav, he makes more sense in the context of the series as a whole, but in this first arc I agree that he comes off as somewhat similar to Kyubey. edit: I think the first arc (and this anime as a result) suffers a bit from the fact that everything going on behind the scenes is obscured and not really explained until later (and I'm not sure if the anime will even get to this; it depends on if they do an epilogue covering the first arc's post-story thing). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Silver2195 posted:This. Nemurin isn't even really a character in the LN. Speaking of Nemurin, it is later revealed in Arc 2 that, if she wanted, she could kill people in their dreams and cause them to die in reality in the process. So basically it's a really good thing Nemurin was a good person. edit: Nemurin does show up in one of the side-stories, along with the best magical girl Masked Wonder.
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^^^ I'd want that Top Speed shirt just to wear around the house, haha. Toss-up between her, Masked Wonder, Stuntchica (who doesn't have much background or personality yet, but I really like her character design) for favorite girl in the series as a whole.LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:i didn't like the casual explanation of why the game started, though i'm not sure a big Evil Plan reveal would've been any better. might dig into the light novels after this since i'm curious to see how they continue from what i assume will be the ending wrt ~the world of magic~ I've read all the translated content (through more than half of Volume 7, which is the 4th arc) and still don't really understand what's up with the Land of Magic. It seems like something that is going to be very gradually revealed over the course of the series. The volumes have shed some light on its organizational structure, with the most recent one finally touching upon the topic of the Land of Magic itself. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:btw recommendations where i shoud buy embarassing Anime tshirts in europe/germany? Man, hell if I know, I don't actually own a single anime t-shirt, I just like Top Speed. Vaguely speaking of Magicaloid 44 and the general topic of magical girl transformations affecting a person's mind, it's later explicitly stated that the transformation always makes a person's mind "stronger" in the sense that they can more easily deal with things like fear or tragedy, but that specific transformations might affect a girl in various other ways in addition to that. Also, in addition to boys, animals can also be turned into magical girls, in the process gaining the general intelligence of a human but retaining a bunch of their instincts and lacking human social knowledge.
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:Nooooooooo why Tama and why that way? Though to be fair the fact that Clamberry, who sought out the strongest, was killed by Tama of all people is hilarious and basically invalidates her entire ideology.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Tama's power is also scary as hell; a lot of these abilities are when applied to soft squishy people. Yeah, but Tama isn't good at fighting and as long as you can keep her away from you she would be easy for someone like Clamberry to defeat normally. And there are actually quite a few magical girls who have powers that are absurdly strong if they have no qualms about killing with them (like Nemurin).
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Desuwa posted:As for the beginning with Clamberry they changed it a bit from the novels. In the novels one of the girls just happened to have the ability to summon a demon but, evidently, not control it, and it killed everyone during what was supposed to be an almost entirely peaceful selection process. Clamberry going from zero to blood knight in five seconds was also pretty clumsy. An interesting bit is the fact that what's referred to as "demons" are actually an attempt to weaponize the same sort of magic involved in Maou Pam's wings. So the demon is basically the same as the pseudo-organisms Maou Pam can create from her wings and give directions to. Speaking of Maou Pam (Arc 3 spoilers)I like how, after all the talk about Maou Pam being this huge badass, she actually was a huge badass and completely owned one of the Big Bads (and was in the process of defeating the other) and only lost due to a sneak attack. She really was the strongest when it came to a straight-forward fight.
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Phobophilia posted:I'd suspected this for a while, but it seems that taking mastership of the system basically stops you from de-transforming. Cranberry didn't de-transform after Tama love-tapped her. And it would explain why Cranberry lives alone in a home-made cabin in the woods, it's hard to move around in the city when you look like an elf. While I can see why you might think that, it isn't really the case. Later on it's explained that many magical girls just stay transformed 24/7 because it saves them money on food (magical girls don't need to eat) and lets them be prepared for combat at a moment's notice. This is especially true for ones who are employed by the Land of Magic and don't really have many connections or responsibilities in their non-magical girl life. And yeah, powers can be improved (with Snow White's capable of being improved in the expected way). Certain magical girls are also stronger/faster/more agile/whatever than others as well, due to a combination of training and the fact that certain magical girl forms have innate benefits aside from their magical abilities (Ripple is more agile/fast than the average magical girl because of her ninja theme, for example). It seems like being a magical girl just lets you be on the same basic level as other magical girls, but just like regular humans can be stronger/faster than other regular humans, the same is true for magical girls.
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The thing about Ruler is while she honestly does care about her underlings and enjoys their company, she's also a pretty hosed up person who can't understand others and sort of compensates by telling herself that she's just better than them (which is why it offends her so much when someone dominates her like with Calamity Mary). So it's possible for her to genuinely care for her underlings while at the same time being willing to sacrifice them in the pursuit of her revenge against Calamity Mary.
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Silver2195 posted:Finished the second arc. The pacing and characterization are definitely improved over the first. It did fairly obviously retcon a few things, though. Melville's motivation doesn't really fit with the way Cranberry was characterized as a loner. Also, Cranberry and Fav getting away with running lots of previous death games, some on an even larger scale, possibly for hundreds of years (if you take the line about the original Lapis Lazuline being a magical girl for that long literally and assume she was forced to participate fairly soon after becoming a Magical Girl), and multiple other administrators copying them after they were caught, makes the Land of Magic look pretty incompetent. The biggest mystery about magical girls in this series is why they even exist in the first place. It seems like the only thing magical girls (on Earth at least) are needed for is stopping other magical girls from doing bad things, which begs the question of why magical girls were ever created in the first place. edit: Jeez, the LN translators are absurdly fast. It seems like they're turning out one ~60 page chapter every single week. Just a week or so ago I noticed the last two chapters of Arc 4 were uploaded, and today I noticed that the first 58 page chapter of the next arc was. Also, it seems like one of the girls in this new arc (Dark Cutie) might have the same sort of power as Tokoyami in My Hero Academia, at least judging from the picture (middle of the second page here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1itk6YHRx9wNRw8auMWM95fxgUMoAeuJc7O_Dz5fz7a4/edit). Seems like some sort of shadow monster; from what I can tell the Japanese text says something like "can move her shadow like the real thing" or something, so maybe it can just imitate her movements. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Silver2195 posted:This is actually explained fairly well, I think. They exist to use their powers to help people, whether by stopping wars, catching criminals, eliminating hazardous waste, or cooking delicious food. Yeah, but why would the Land of Magic even care about that? Our world is basically a foreign country to them (they even call the department dealing with Earth issues "Foreign Affairs"), and the power of a magical girl isn't really necessary to do pretty much any of their job aside from stuff like stopping terrorists. And from what I've seen so far I find it highly questionable that the good magical girls do outweighs the harm. I mean, it's entirely possible that they thought it would be a good idea and then later realized they'd dug themselves into a hole with all these magical girls running around, but I feel like once the Land of Magic is elaborated on more we might get more information on what's up with magical girls.
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Raenir Salazar posted:The Rabbits foot lets you have a Mulligan basically, in this case it probably reacted to Snow Whites desire to save at least one of the magical girls and saved Ripple by healing her enough to avoid death from losing an arm + Exhaustion. Snow White's ability is Telepathy (Slightly nerfed version where it only works on people in "Distress" which can still be fairly useful in combat), so she was hearing Fav the whole time and warned Ripple. Regarding Snow White (minor but somewhat predictable spoilers about her power) her ability ends up covering almost all mind-reading, with the exception of people who are constantly worry-free and express no distress (who don't practically exist under normal circumstances). This is especially true during fights, where pretty much everyone would have some inherent concern over things like "I don't want to be killed by this girl." For anyone on the fence about reading the LNs, I recommend them - everything post-Volume 1 is considerably better than Volume 1 in my opinion, particularly in terms of being less predictable (from what I can tell there's no way to really predict who lives and who dies, especially in Arc 4).
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AfroSquirrel posted:Only if its on mobile! 4 arcs and the 5th is being translated. I think that only 5 or 6 arcs are out in Japan, though; the translator has just been moving really quickly through existing material. If I recall correctly, the first arc (this anime) is Volume 1 and all future arcs are 2 volumes long. There's also one or two volumes of side stories that are pretty good (there's one that covers characters from the first two arcs). edit: The translations aren't mentioned on novelupdates last I checked, though the website linking to them (they're in google documents) should show up on the first page of google results.
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One thing regarding future arcs is that, even though Snow White remains a character, she doesn't really become a central character again for a while (and even when she does she's usually not what would be considered a protagonist, even if she gets some POV chapters). So it's not like the first arc is the intro arc before going into The Adventures of Snow White; it just sort of introduces some of the setting and a couple characters that are of importance later. The dynamic between Snow White and Ripple is kinda interesting, though (end of Arc 3 spoilers) I wonder how she's going to react to finding out that Pythie is controlling Ripple now. I guess on the bright side she had previously assumed Ripple was dead, so "being mind-controlled" is arguably better than that, but it seems like the narrative keeps kicking her while she's down and taking away all her personal connections. My one gripe about later volumes (various arc 3 and 4 spoilers) is that almost everyone dies every single time. This didn't bother me in the first two arcs because the situation was one that directly encouraged a "everyone kills each other until only a few are left" situation. But in the third and fourth arcs it seems like it was less necessary in terms of the narrative. Like, it makes sense for Pukin to easily kill a bunch of other characters in Arc 3 (since Pukin is waaay stronger than them), but it wasn't an inevitable result like the situations in Arcs 1 and 2. This especially bugged me in Arc 4, because "they defeat Grim Heart and Shufflin without almost everyone dying" could have been a feasible outcome if not for Grim Heart/Shufflin having enough heads to cut off to resupply so many times (and Shufflin's power being so loving ridiculous). Also I was upset that Prism Cherry died because I liked her character design and her power could have been interesting.
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Cialis Railman posted:So, if I wanted to read the LNs, how would I do it? Google docs here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BwUphuy8AsxEVDJfaXJrcHdMVU0 (Feel free to let me know if it's not okay to post this link.) Probably the biggest thing I like more about future volumes is that they have fewer terrible characters that you don't care about (like the Peaky Angels), and even the evil ones have more compelling/interesting motivations aside from just randomly being a huge rear end in a top hat. Especially Arc 2 (Volumes 2-3), which has a much better cast than Volume 1 in my opinion. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Phobophilia posted:im reading arc 2 of the series, lol at ripple beaten up by ronald mcdonald and colonel sanders That's one of the side stories, right? Not Arc 2. The one where she meets and fights with Leonetta.
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Phobophilia posted:I've read arc 3, and I've enjoyed it a shitload more than arc 2. Arc 2 is a silly ungrounded rpg-world, while arc 3 is pure action-thriller. Arc 2 overuses the unreliable narrator character and starts killing them off way too quickly before they are adequately developed, while arc 3 only uses it only a few times and with a light touch. It does reuse a few earlier scenarios, like Grace's cannons blasting the poo poo out of a constantly regenerating Pam wing, or Pukin being a more more competent version of Ruler. The characters are somewhat less cliched, the relationship between Pfle and Shadow gale is pretty stereotypical, while the relationship between Grace and Funny Trick, or that between Rain Pou and Postarie, are somewhat complicated. I actually kind of like the relationship between Shadow Gale and Pfle, because of how Shadow Gale simultaneously cares for Pfle while also realizing she's shady as gently caress and being suspicious of her (this is a bigger element post-Arc 3, though I think it also shows up some in 3). As for Pukin/Ruler, Pukin is way more evil/impulsive than Ruler and doesn't care for her non-Sonia subjects like Ruler does her followers. Their powers are also pretty different (mind control through being cut by Pukin's sword vs being able to force someone to not move from a distance), though I'm not sure if you were also referring to abilities.
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nielsm posted:The later arcs, are they still battle royale style murderfests, or do they have other themes? They have other themes. The 2nd arc is a bit similar in that it's (vague spoilers about the setting, but you find this stuff out near the beginning) a situation that encourages killing, but doesn't require narrowing everyone down to just one or two like Arc 1, but the other arcs aren't like that at all (though people still obviously die they aren't organized games or anything that encourage killing).
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