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Teikanmi posted:So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon? pence "won" but it was a pyrrhic victory because he did it by flat out lying about trump not saying the things he's said and distancing himself as much from trump as possible. so basically a wash.
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Teikanmi posted:So was there any kind of "winner" from this debate that most people would agree upon? pence won trump lost
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Kaine let Pence off so easy after that "every penny of the Trump Foundation goes to charitable causes" horseshit.
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So it's not like Pence beat Kaine but rather Pence beat Trump?
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Pence won but it will make literally no difference in the polls
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lol i forgot about this. was there passive aggressiveness? I hope so
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You know, as I think about it more... I don't really believe in 11th dimensional judo narratives or whatever, but I can't help but think that "losing" the debate in order to get Pence to show the world just how slimy and insincere he really is might have figured into plans a little. At the very least, this is what the Clinton campaign should be pushing, that maybe Kaine is bumbling, but he's sincere, where Pence is a slick talking lying bully who "won" by showing us all what he is.
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Zas posted:from what i hear its time to start the pool for pence 2020 The Pence for Prez 2020 Pool: no burqinis, no bikinis and two feet deep
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Dark Weasel posted:Tane. Computer, load up Rude Kayne please loading Rude Kayne, Paul . .. ... .. . .. ... .. . ..
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I can't wait for Sunday to make me stop thinking about this debate because it makes me get embarrassment by proxy. Cringey Kaine should make like Agnew before 2020.
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From what I'm reading I did the right thing going to bed early last night.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:From what I'm reading I did the right thing going to bed early last night. On the bright side, you can now show your students what lying and evasion are supposed to look like in the American political system.
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Annual Prophet posted:On the bright side, you can now show your students what lying and evasion are supposed to look like in the American political system. Very true, last night what little I saw of it is what a debate should actually look like.
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Oct 5, 2016 13:21
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Why did HRC think picking Kaine was a good idea, wasn't there at least one person who could better attack-dog than awkward step dad
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So what's the executive summary of this debate? I only watched the first ten or so minutes because I was too tired to stay on top of
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Lycus posted:Kaine let Pence off so easy after that "every penny of the Trump Foundation goes to charitable causes" horseshit. Kaine also set up to attack him on blocking AIDS research and assistance at one point near the end but then completely failed to deliver, which really frustrated me. I get that Kaine's goal was to go after Trump but I would have really liked to see Pence try to defend his record on that. rudatron posted:Why did HRC think picking Kaine was a good idea, wasn't there at least one person who could better attack-dog than awkward step dad Because Kaine bumps her up a couple of points in Virginia. Kaine didn't need to be stronger than Pence because the top half of Pence's ticket is an orange clown who starts twitter wars and thinks it's appropriate to attack a woman for gaining a little weight. We kind of all got used to Uncle Joe but the VP isn't generally somebody's rabid dog that they sic on people, usually the VP is somebody popular but non-threatening that won't distract from the top of your ticket. Cheney and Biden were both unusual picks. Gore and Quayle were much more status quo. Kaine is a Gore. Mirthless has issued a correction as of 13:46 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Pence came off badly: no answers and some of the most blatant question dodging ever. And what was up with him trying to be Reagan? A few of his answers last night came off as him trying to pull that off but so badly it made him look tired and sad. If this is what Mike Pence is all about, then it's little wonder nobody wanted him in Indiana. To say he's preparing for 2020 is laughable. He's not even prepared for 2016. He's like a retarded version of Ted Cruz. Kaine is hyperactive and pushing for answers. Honestly, at some points it was like he was doing a one-man MST3K against the world's sleepiest bigot. Kaine backed Clinton's policies where Pence came off looking for a glorified Christie who hitched a ride with Trump because his own personal fortunes were failing. As previously said, Trump really needed a win tonight and that was going to be rough because it would mean that he would have to admit that he needed help and would easily sabotage that. But Mike Pence didn't do him any favors at all. In fact, Pence showed that out of all the people who don't support Trump, his own VP nominee is the biggest. Pence is there for the free advertising for a run that will never, ever happen. Kaine has a few issues of his own but on the whole he's giving a voice to the Democrats who feel knocked down by eight years of Dubya and eight years of obstruction after that. A bit rabid, but competent. Pence really didn't do anything besides avoid questions about anything he did and feign personal interest to show that the human suit isn't that ill-fitting.
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nachos posted:This is basically set up for a bunch of post debate Clinton ads like https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 not even 12 hours have passed
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Mirthless posted:We kind of all got used to Uncle Joe but the VP isn't generally somebody's rabid dog that they sic on people, usually the VP is somebody popular but non-threatening that won't distract from the top of your ticket. Cheney and Biden were both unusual picks. Gore and Quayle were much more status quo. Kaine is a Gore. Besides, while I do think Pence won the debate as an isolated event, this is not going to be seen in the long run as a victory for the Trump campaign. Pence is on record repeatedly denying that Trump said things he is also on record as having said, and as literally saying that Trump isn't a very good politician. The world now knows exactly what sort of person Mike Pence is. While I wish Kaine had gone after Pence on his own horrible policies, let's be realistic; Pence would have lied through his teeth about that too, and probably rather more successfully than he did about Trump. Now, whether any of this was some kind of master genius plan on Kaine's part or not is an open question. I kind of suspect not. Kaine really came across to me as a bit flustered, a bit bumbling, but genuinely sincere about what he believed (and he was absolutely at his best when he was talking about what the Clinton administration wants to accomplish). But eleven-dimensional chess or happy accident, I don't really care. I'll take it.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Pence came off badly: no answers and some of the most blatant question dodging ever. And what was up with him trying to be Reagan? A few of his answers last night came off as him trying to pull that off but so badly it made him look tired and sad. Oh god, Pence's "There he goes again" fell so flat I genuinely felt sorry for him. (It passed very quickly).
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Pence isn't going to run for national office in 2020. Being part of a losing presidential ticket gives you more visibility, but the losing ticket usually don't give it another shot. Maybe regional office or potential unelected cabinet position.
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docbeard posted:Oh god, Pence's "There he goes again" fell so flat I genuinely felt sorry for him. It's sort of felt like when a movie does a lovely reboot, and they try to have some sort of call back to the better film
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nachos posted:https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 I really thought Kaine achieved exactly what he probably set out to do, and that objective had nothing to do with "winning" the debate. The Clinton campaign now has 90 minutes of Pence denying all of the poo poo that Trump has said over the last year, and thus an excellent reason to rerun all of the Trump classics. In addition, now they get to overlay Pence shaking his head sadly to all of the video of Trump saying weird poo poo. Kaine had memorized all of the classic Trump quotes and had them down pat, and I think his objective was to inject them into the debate as frequently and aggressively as possible. Interrupt if necessary. The conversation of Twitter pundits is already shifting from "Pence won" to all of the denying reality Pence had to do, and how he didn't really stick up for Trump.
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edit: ^^ started my reply before your post came in, lolnachos posted:https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 yeah you see this is why Kaine won last night's debate This was all he had to do. Needle Pence about Trump's record and show that not even Trump's VP can defend Trump's record. It doesn't matter what viewers or pundits think - ads like that commercial are going to have a lot more impact on this race than the VP debate ever would. Mirthless has issued a correction as of 14:36 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oiled and Ready posted:Computer, load up Rude Kayne please i loved that game UNIRONICALLY
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yea, Pence didnt hurt the hillary campaign, but Kaine has created a lot of video of Pence lying aboyt Trump outright
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rudatron posted:Why did HRC think picking Kaine was a good idea, wasn't there at least one person who could better attack-dog than awkward step dad a. He's pretty popular in Virginia and since she picked him, VA's gone from leaning blue to safe blue (which it remained even during that month where Turmp's numbers surged) b. He's a white man so he won't scare off whitey c. He's Catholic and speaks fluent Spanish and lived in Honduras for a year, and the Hillary campaign was hoping this would help with their Hispanic outreach (obviously not as effectively as an actual Hispanic running mate but see b.) d. He's devoutly religious and has some kinda-but-not-really-conservative opinions to appeal to conservatives who don't like Trump e. Probably most important of all, Hillary actually has a good working relationship with him. Not all of these things have worked out but they were all probably on Hillary's mind when she picked him.
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Pakled posted:a. He's pretty popular in Virginia and since she picked him, VA's gone from leaning blue to safe blue (which it remained even during that month where Turmp's numbers surged) You forgot "And if Hillary dies or is unable to be president for some time/forever, he actually could be a president she'd be okay with".
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Pakled posted:a. He's pretty popular in Virginia and since she picked him, VA's gone from leaning blue to safe blue (which it remained even during that month where Turmp's numbers surged)
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I don't know if it was planned, but I think he really appeals to Catholics and that can't hurt. I grew up Catholic, and he makes me comfortable. He reminds of all the very reasonable religious people I interacted with as a child.
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rudatron posted:Why did HRC think picking Kaine was a good idea, wasn't there at least one person who could better attack-dog than awkward step dad Her strategy is always to do the most boring and defensive thing possible, given that she has had a pretty solid lead throughout the electoral season. VP won't win you the race but it can lose you the race.
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headspace posted:I don't know if it was planned, but I think he really appeals to Catholics and that can't hurt. I grew up Catholic, and he makes me comfortable. He reminds of all the very reasonable religious people I interacted with as a child. I think he appeals to left leaning Christians as well, he reminds me a lot of the more "modern" Catholic/Lutheran churches, wouldnt be surprised if he was picked to appeal to MI/PA voters.
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nachos posted:https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 This is pretty funny. I feel like I've been trolled into thinking this was going to be a debate, when it was just a bombing run to get Pence to say dumb poo poo on camera that they can use.
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frankenfreak posted:So what's the executive summary of this debate? I only watched the first ten or so minutes because I was too tired to stay on top of Pence upstaged the boss
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