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This S01 chapter where this guy mentions getting into a MMO party with "Baldy" reminds me of the time a friend and I were in a party with some porn star who played WoW (this is back when I was in college, so sometime between 2005-2008). Can't remember her name off the top of my head, though I'd recognize it if I saw it. edit: Oh, it was Mia Rose edit2: I like how in S02 the guy actually spends a bit talking about how difficult and upsetting being reincarnated was. Most of these stories completely ignore that and have the characters go "oh, looks like I was reincarnated! Well, let's get to it!", which is bizarre since it means they'll never see any of their family/friends again (though I guess most of this stuff is written for NEET types who aren't close with their family and have no friends). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Is there any place I can find the LN character drawings (or any sort of official character art) for Kumoko? Google image searches aren't helping me much. I found one picture with images of Shun, Sue, Julius, and the elf teacher, but it would be nice to have an image of some of these other characters like the Sword Emperor guy or Saint girl (I'm at the part where they were just introduced). edit: I do not trust the teacher lady in the slightest. She is up to something! Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Ah, thanks. I have a poor visual imagination so it helps a lot to have a clear idea of what characters look like. Otherwise I just imagine some blurry face with blonde hair or whatever. I wonder how this is going to be once Kumoko becomes absurdly powerful. It's okay right now because there are still a number of monsters that she doesn't really have any tools to defeat, but I find that a lot of these WNs have trouble keeping the tension up once the protagonist has reached a certain level of strength.
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It was interesting when they mentioned how Katia, despite having the mind of his/her previous male self, no longer feels attraction to women due to having a female body. Question - how long has Kumoko been a spider by the time she defeats the eel monster and evolves into the assassin form? I get the impression that the time in her chapters and the time in Shun's chapters (which seems to have been 12-15 years so far) do not run parallel.
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I'd be curious to see how human fighters/mages would fare against Kumoko at various stages in her development, because I have a feeling that by the time she ever encounters more humans she'll be virtually unbeatable. edit: Hmm, it was just revealed during Kumoko's fight with the Fire Dragon that Hypnotism is a Corruption spell, and we saw Ms. Oka using it despite Corruption spells apparently warranting imprisonment or death by the Church. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Silver2195 posted:She also claims she would rather die than marry a man, though. So I guess she's asexual now? I get the impression from her interactions with Shun at the academy (for example her weird reaction to the Saint girl tightly grasping his hands) that she feels attraction towards Shun. While her previous male self being gay is a more likely explanation, I find the idea of a straight man being transported into a straight woman's body and correspondingly being attracted to men kind of interesting as a concept.
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So it seems like Kumoko is kinda a sociopath, but what's interesting is that she mentions that she also doesn't seem to have had an aversion to murder even when she was a human in Japan. I could understand if her becoming a monster and getting some of those evil-sounding skills made her have no conscience, but it's kind of surprising if she was always a sociopath. edit: Does it ever explain what Kumoko realized when her Taboo reached level 10 and she flipped out (don't tell me what the reason is, I'm just curious if it's revealed or not)? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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I just read Chapter K2 and I get the impression Katia/Kanata wasn't gay in his previous life, because he mentions not caring about women's bodies being a change he experienced (and if he were gay he would have also not cared about them in his previous life, so it wouldn't be anything new). Normally I don't like gender bender elements in stories, but for some reason this one doesn't bother me much. I think it's because it's usually meant to be something titillating, but I don't get that feeling from this.
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So Ms. Oka just explained the nature of the world to Shun/Katia and I'm still not sure how that would justify wanting to murder all humans and demons. I assume there's some sort of good reason, though. edit: Ah Jesus it's 3:00am, this story is pretty addictive
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I tried reading that and it was not particularly good! The whole premise is supposed to be that he uses a smart phone to accomplish things in a fantasy world, but he also randomly has above average physical abilities and ~super rare~ magic talents (because of course). I mean, at least stick to the premise of making the smart phone his only ability!
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I like how his smart phone had a map of the fantasy world. I mean I guess God, being God, is capable of digitizing all that information and putting it into Google Maps or whatever, but it still felt kinda silly. It also bugged me how he didn't look up "modern clothes-making technology/methods" in Google and work with the fashion dude to become rich and successful. Would have been a more interesting story than killing monsters with a harem of girls or whatever. edit: "I Became a Fashion Designer in Another World" is my proposed WN concept if any aspiring authors are reading this thread! edit2: You know, when you think about it there are a bunch of jobs that would be vastly more useful in a medieval setting than being a programmer or whatever, but these stories need to be tailored to their audience I guess. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Bobulus posted:Maybe Ascendance of a Bookworm? I haven't read all of it, but Blastron, the same guy translating Kumoko, is translating that. It's about a girl who was obsessed with books, to the point where she died when an earthquake happened and all her books fell off the shelves and crushed her. She woke up in a medieval world, the daughter of peasants, and now her big quest is to find a way to make books, since they're currently exceedingly rare and really only owned by Nobles. At the point Blastron is at, she's still figuring out how to cheaply and reliably produce paper, but I imagine by the end of the story she'll have worked her way up to a Gutenberg press or something. Ascendance of a Bookworm is wonderful, but the protagonist in it doesn't really bring any particular skill with her other than perhaps "having a good memory and having read a bunch of books." I'm mostly referring to isekai stories where the character has some sort of special skill/item that gives them a huge advantage in the new world. Like there was one where someone could cast spells by writing kanji and another where spells were casting by read manga (I'm pretty sure this was actually a thing). Ascendance of a Bookworm is good largely because the protagonist doesn't suddenly become super rich and powerful or have any unusual abilities.
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Even though the protagonist in Kumoko is an interesting character, I really don't like her as a person and kinda root for whoever ends up going against her in the future. I think it's mostly that I just don't really like antisocial protagonists and her internal monologues/dialogues ends up coming off more unhinged than funny/goofy. The Ascendance of a Bookworm protagonist is also kinda antisocial, but she seems to be developing into a more well-rounded, social person over time. Kumoko almost feels like a villain origin story or something.
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So right now I'm at the part in Kumoko where she just got pseudo-killed by the Origin Taratect, respawned, and the mage dude visited her. Do the plot threads with the other classmates ever go anywhere? In a way I find them more interesting because it's sort of a foregone conclusion that Kumoko will defeat any enemies she goes up against. Even though the Origin Taratect is stronger right now, she just needs to take it over (which is already in the works). It also seems like more plot happens in the chapters covering other characters, and I'm reading this more for the overarching plot than "Kumoko becomes stronger" shenanigans. I think probably the biggest indicator that Kumoko is kinda crazy and can't interact normally with regular humans/humanoids is the fact that she has no problem with eating people. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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When it says Gyurigyuri is black, do they mean like black people or some sort of pitch black fantasy race?
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Uh, clearly the reason is that she is an evil ~female~ who isn't in love with the protagonist. edit: I like Demon King more than original Kumoko/Shiro. She has more of a personality, while Kumoko is just like some bizarre alien who cares about nothing but eating food (which was kinda a funny quirk the first few times but has gotten a bit old). The comments below each chapter all seem to dislike the non-Kumoko chapters and prefer the Kumoko ones, but I kinda feel the opposite. I don't exactly dislike the Kumoko chapters, but I like when they also include characters other than Kumoko herself. I think part of it is that the main audience for WNs really, really like absurdly overpowered main characters who get a bunch of upgrades/level-ups. I think that they treat reading WNs in the same way they do playing an MMORPG, and get a feeling of accomplishment from the protagonist becoming more powerful and gaining more skills/levels. So when it switches to a weaker side character (like Shun) they get upset, because they want to continue "leveling up" their "main". All that being said, I'm enjoying these chapters that are focusing on the vampire and goblin, and I find the overall plot interesting. I think the author does a good job of gradually revealing things, and I get the impression that the story is generally planned out and that the author isn't just making things up on the fly. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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So I'm now at the chapter in Kumoko where the vampire girl and her retainer guy have been saved and picked up by Ariel and Shiro/Shiraori. I think I'm starting to have some idea why my perception of Shiraori/main Kumoko is different from a lot of the comments. She finds communicating with other people to be an annoyance (in addition to not really valuing life itself, but that's another matter*), and I think that there's a difference in the way I perceive that and the way other people do. To me, stuff like constantly ignoring people who speak to you is a sign that a person is just conceited/selfish, but I think that a lot of the other readers perceive her standoffish-ness as a cool thing because they perceive most other people as being dumber than them in their own lives (like for example a nerdy teenage who thinks all the popular/"normal" kids are superficial). This isn't necessarily bad if the person is just bad at communicating and wants to get better, but that obviously isn't the case with Shiraori. Either way, thank god she has a posse now so we're not left with nothing but her own thoughts. *At first I attributed this to whatever she learned from Taboo lvl 10, but she also feels this way towards the reincarnated classmates
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Bakanogami posted:Yeah, I enjoyed Shield Hero for what it's worth, but the author definitely went through a bad breakup and projected his ex onto the female villain, or something like that. There's too much irrational venom otherwise. Nah, that's more a "women are evil because they won't date me" malice than something resulting from having broken up with someone IMO.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Well the characters in the story perceive her the second way. She's not conceited or selfish though, she's just a massive anti-social goon with poor manners. I think it would be more accurate to say that the author probably perceives such actions in that way and this is reflected in the reactions of the characters in the story (sort of like how America/China actually are dastardly in the context of Mahouka's story, but only as a reflection of the author's actual views). I feel like the "just awkward and antisocial" thing would be more convincing if she wasn't so quick to dismiss the feelings of (if not outright harm/kill) other people. A good example is when she's watching the Goddess and Divine Word armies facing off and just decides "eh they're all trash." Even though the beliefs are obviously dumb, the perspective of someone immersed in that sort of environment for their entire lives is going to be different, but she just dismisses them as trash who might as well die. (Granted, I get the impression that it's necessary for a bunch of people to die to accomplish some greater important goal, but even then people would normally be bothered by carrying out such actions). I mean, it's a relatively minor complaint since I find the story as a whole really fun/interesting and it's been less focused on Kumoko's perspective lately, but I tend to see this sort of "I'm reasonable and these other people are all irrational dumb trash" attitude a lot from both nerdy people and the media they consume. edit: I'm actually increasingly starting to think that Kumoko might not actually be human. There have been a number of hints that she doesn't really identify with the appearance of this Wakaba girl, and she doesn't seem to really identify with humans in general. If she was some sort of non-human (though not sure what since only humans have mentioned being in the classroom) it might explain why she doesn't think of death/killing in the same way normal humans would. It's sort of like in that one Magical Girl Raising Project volume where a turtle is transformed into a magical girl. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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So all the reincarnators in Kumoko have some unique skill, like Oka's Student List, Kyouya's Create Weapon, that one guy's Ninja, etc? What were Shun/Katia/Yuugo's unique skills? I don't think Hero or Kindness count, since characters have been shown to get Sin/Virtue skills in addition to their unique skills. edit: I'm actually starting to get the impression that the human reincarnators are super unlucky and gimped out compared with their demihuman/monster peers. Folks like Shun may have started out with a bunch of skill points and good stats for a human, but I don't think he'll ever be able to get into the 5-figures like this oni and vampire (much less Kumoko, who seemed to become stronger at a rate vastly exceeding even other reincarnators). I'm actually not entirely sure why vampire girl has such high stats. It makes sense for the oni because he's been killing a whole bunch of humans and gained many levels as a result, but she was just level 2 (and I think it was stated in the past that there's a limit to how much you can increase your stats with skills alone). While I don't think we've been shown Shun's stats in a long time, the fight against the low level Earth Dragon makes me think that he's probably in the low 4-figures. vvv: I thought Emperor was one of the "get the skill by having a particular position" skills, sort of like Hero or Saint (and Yuugo was obviously the son of the Sword Emperor). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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So it was just revealed in Kumoko that she was a spider in her past life and her current self is a merging of D and the spider's souls. Having some of D's soul also explains why she learned skills so absurdly fast, which is a satisfying explanation (since "she was forced into difficult situations" isn't really sufficient to explain such absurdly fast growth). A lot of the comments kept talking about how she was at a disadvantage compared with the other reincarnators, which I always thought was bullshit (aside from maybe the very beginning up until soon after her going into the middle stratum), so it's nice to actually be told "yeah she had a pretty massive advantage and didn't become this powerful through sheer grit and moxie". If anything, she was only able to survive under those difficult circumstances thanks to having the advantages granted by D's soul fragment. I also like that this gives an explanation for her kinda being a sociopath and not valuing human life. It would have been really lame if they actually tried to write that off as "lol she was just a quirky antisocial girl" rather than something legitimately abnormal (heck, she's literally cool with eating babies). I have an easier time accepting these qualities in a not-really-human entity than I do a human (since they would just make someone a bad person in the case of the latter).
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As of where I am (chapter 226) am I supposed to know what Kumoko's goal is (or details about stuff like MA energy, etc)? I understand the fact that the System basically uses "real" magic to create this whole system of skills that people can manipulate, and how stuff like attributes are just the result of the System applying magic to people/creatures.
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Is it ever explained how Ariel became the Demon King? She seems a little too strong to be getting involved in the war between demons and humans. Is it related to her wanting to accomplish the same goal as Kumoko that for some reason involves a bunch of people dying?
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When I first finished blastron's Kumoko chapters and switched to the turbo translation to continue reading I found a number of comments talking about how terrible blastron was and how his translation was basically blasphemy. I'm genuinely confused as to how a native English speaker could read both blastron's translation and turbo's and think that the latter is better. Is there some sort of weird translator code of honor where you're not supposed to translate stuff other people have translated? I also saw a bunch of people getting upset about blastron's translation of Kuro/Shiro to Black/White. This also confused me, since the words mean the same thing. Their explanation was "other names use Kanji that mean certain things but you don't translate their names" which was really dumb and makes me think that they know a little Japanese but not enough to realize why the situations are not remotely analogous.
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^^^ I started to imagine everything being spoken with a heavy Japanese accent after hitting the transition.Avulsion posted:Why bother translating something if you're going to leave half of it in Japanese. I can sympathize to an extent, given that probably 90+% of people reading this stuff will have some level of familiarity with super common Japanese terms like "itadakimasu". Leaving some stuff in Japanese (or leaving sentences written with the same structure as they had in Japanese) can also be helpful for readers who have enough knowledge of the language to infer what was likely said in the original language. Some stuff is also very difficult to translate; using itadakimasu as an example, most English speakers don't really substitute anything for that, since saying it in the first place is a cultural thing. "Thanks for the meal" is the closest thing that comes to mind, and most people still don't say that before eating unless they're eating something someone else prepared for them and want to express gratitude. Same goes for stuff like senpai/kouhai, which I can't really think of an English equivalent for. All that being said, I still think that more thorough translations to English are superior and that a lot of the stuff you see in web novel translations is inexcusable. I think the dumbest thing is when people will use Japanese quotation marks, because I can't even begin to comprehend the reason for it. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Meme Emulator posted:Yea, that works 90% of the time but I dont know how you avoid translation notes when the story needs to make a point of the specifics of junior/senior relationship between the characters. Its just not a relationship that exists in any great capacity anymore in the west, especially now that apprenticeships are all but dead. That actually brings to mind a question - in American high schools you often end up with classes being taken by people from multiple grade levels, particularly during junior/senior year. Are Japanese high schools similar to this (in the sense that you can choose from a variety of optional courses outside of your graduation requirements and change the order in which you take courses sometimes), or is it more structured in the sense that all the people in your classes will be from the same grade as you? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Meme Emulator posted:Everyone hangs out in the same classroom and the teachers move between classes instead of it being the other way around like in american HS. I think club activities and downtime like lunch would be the biggest time you socialize with people outside of your classroom That is interesting. It seems kind of inconvenient in the sense that teachers would have to bring all their materials around with them (instead of being able to customize their classroom for "teaching X subject" like you see in our schools).
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Arkeus posted:TBH translating names is an instant "throw away the book" offense to me. Translating Kuro/Shuro is in the same degree of horribleness, to me, that Translating Snape to Rogue in french is. gently caress that. The thing is, those aren't really "names" in a normal sense. It's like if you had a dude with long legs who people started referring to as "long legs-san" and then the translator just left his name as Nagai Ashi or whatever. edit: Like, the comments I read compared it with translating someone's name by translating the kanji it contains to English, but that isn't remotely the same thing. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Hahaha, Blow getting a fear-crush on Shiro.
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Jackard posted:Sounding a little crazy here. Why would anyone "translate" Snape's name in that way? It depends upon the context I think. If something is an actual name (like the name they were given at birth or something) it might be better to not translate it and just add a footnote if there's a pun (for example the My Hero Academia names). After all, most common names has some sort of meaning. I think the Kumoko example mentioned before is different, though, because in that case the names in question are nicknames that explicitly mean Black/White.
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Arkeus posted:The problem is Shiro's name is actually Shiro. I thought it was Shiraori and that Shiro is just what she goes by when interacting with the Demon King and associated people.
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I like the Divine Word Pope in Kumoko. He's an interesting character. edit: How old are Wrath/Sophia when they first meet? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Bobulus posted:All the human reincarnators are about the same age, so Sophia can't be any older than Shun and and his crew. Yeah, but I can't remember how many years have passed or how many years the Oni/Sophia meet before intersecting with Shun and crew. I also can't remember how old Shun (and everyone else for that matter) are by the time the Elf Village battle takes place. If the human academy is like the demon one, it lasts until the age of 15, so I'm thinking that maybe they're all <15?
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Speaking of Sophia - has she been banging her reverse harem or what? It's been kind of unclear and at first I thought that Shiro was mistaking blood sucking for making out, but later Sophia mentions in one of her chapters how blood sucking often escalates into something more. In general I think part of what sets this web novel apart from like 99% of other web novels is the fact that it focuses on multiple characters. This prevents the issue of the web novel just being a power fantasy with a singular protagonist being a proxy for the reader. For this reason I've been enjoying all the post-Labyrinth story a lot more, now that there's a bigger focus on plot and it isn't just about Kumoko becoming stronger and killing monsters. Even the Kumoko chapters now include more characters, which makes them more enjoyable. Is there any word on how close the series is to finishing? From what I understand the translations are around where the raws are, right? I'm wondering if the story will end with the resolution of the whole "saving the world" issue or if the plot will move on to the larger setting (we still don't really know what's up with all the Gods, netherworld, etc).
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I hope it doesn't end that soon. Even though it might be best for the story as a whole to end it before letting it become bad, there are so few good web novels that I don't want to lose one of the rare ones I enjoy.
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So Shiro's plan has been revealed in Kumoko, and there are a couple things I don't totally understand. 1. Why is "soul death" worse than regular reincarnation death? If you can't remember your previous lives, regular reincarnation death doesn't seem any different than "full" soul death. 2. From what I understand, the two options are 1. do nothing until Sariel's soul dies, at which point Kuro takes over and sacrifices himself to save the planet and 2. kill enough people that the System can be destroyed and Sariel's soul can be saved, though she would still die (Kumoko's plan). Doesn't it seem like the the only difference is thousands of people "regular" dying vs. Sariel and Kuro soul dying? I'm not seeing what the problem is with the first option if it would still save the planet and not involved a bunch of killing (even if the killing doesn't kill their souls).
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Man, Kumoko's story is so tight. Every major detail was obviously planned out from the very beginning, and it's interesting how they basically hinted at a bunch of later plot developments through the Shun chapters early on.
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Bobulus posted:Two changes I know about : Ah, both of those make sense. I had totally forgotten about that egg, and now that you mention it nothing ever comes of it in the WNs. It also felt kind of abrupt to have Kumoko suddenly luck upon this energy repository and then BAM she's a god.
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Regarding Kumoko, I kinda wish that there'll be some sort of problem or mistake with her plans. To be honest, I don't really like how all her ideas and plans are always (more or less) perfect and correct. It would be nice if some other character had to make up for something wrong she did. It would also work kind of well thematically if her hardcore "ends justify the means" pragmatism ended up being a flaw in some way and someone else (like Shun or something) helped to come up with a better solution. I feel like all the other characters have just been swept up in Shiro's schemes and haven't had much agency, so it'd be nice to have them actually accomplish something that isn't just part of Shiro's grand plan. I'm wondering if the recent chapter narrated by post-death Natsume might be hinting at the flaws with Shiro's approach. Her brainwashing basically made him commit to the idea that he was in a dream, and if someone had spoken seriously to him about the situation there's a chance he would have understood. We've also seen Wrath commenting on how mind controlling people (to kill their own family no less*) is really hosed up, even if the end goal might be a good one. If I had to guess, I feel like the core flaw in Shiro's approach is that she never really tries to come up with a better idea once she's come across an idea that works, even if the idea is pretty atrocious. I'm not sure if this will actually come up as an issue, though, since so far her plans have worked almost perfectly. Also, regarding Wrath, I feel like he's a pretty hypocritical guy and ironically has a pretty weak character despite the way he was described and initially portrayed. I feel like the reason he has committed himself so heavily to Shiro's plans and massacring people is because it allows him to mentally absolve himself of the guilt from all the people he killed while under the influence of Wrath (and not under its influence as well I think). I think it's actually a form of cowardice that he's trying to escape from confronting the fact that, even if killing people may be better in the long run, it still caused a lot of pain and suffering that can't just be ignored. *I mean seriously, you don't get much worse than that. At that point you're basically just saying torture is okay.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the world is so messed up that nothing less than kumoko's inhumanly brutal plan will work. basically, the setting was made in such a way so it could be saved by kumoko even though she is completely lacking in heroic traits. it is a problem that requires a murder spider-based solution. also, if there were alternatives then kumoko might have to verbally defend her position which just ain't happening. Yeah, but it's just kinda boring to have a story where the protagonist is correct about everything and all her plans are successful. I'm somewhat optimistic about there being some sort of twist coming up, though, because the fight against Potimas went way too easily. As an unrelated comment, one thing I always found strange is how Shiro came up with a type of training that is really efficient at raising stat values, to the extent that it can make regular soldiers as strong as absolute top tier fighters within a couple years, but somehow no one else figured this out despite living in this world for centuries/millenia. You'd think that people would come to understand how stats work and what the different skills do and theory craft the same stuff she did. I mean, it's not like her ideas are rocket science.
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