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Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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xxEightxx posted:

I really like what they tried to do with her since it was a nice break from the perpetual I'm strong-I'm actually wounded-This event broke me-I've recovered-goto step one cycle every character seems to have. At least with her it's a wolf in Sheeps clothing approach.

I like Carol's character and thought they did a good job leading up to her breakdown with the list of names, her evil streak with the cookie kid and her wolf in sheeps clothing storyline in Alexandria. She's a victim of abuse who doesn't want to become the abuser and seems to have found herself becoming that.

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Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Blazing Ownager posted:

Carol turned awesome when she single-handedly obliterated Terminus and remained awesome until the incident with the kid, when suddenly she starts crying about being the most effective character on the show. That said the poo poo with her and Morgan getting into a loving fight in the middle of an attack was dumb.. as.. hell. But nobody escapes the stupidity of Walking Dead.

Anyone in this thread saying Post-Terminus and Pre-Pacifist Carol wasn't awesome are wrong.

They'd solve all their problems if they pointed the walking WMD known as Carol at his base.

Yeah but i see at as that's the point. She doesn't want to be a ruthless killer but she's really good at it and that's what/who she was fighting most of her life, now she's becoming that monster and it's because she's trying to defend all these other people. That's the way i saw it but yeah i can definitely agree it seemed like the writers may have kinda forced it at the time because they seem to have a rotating list of who is going to lose it at that time.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

Agreed. I liked it was so unexpected and didn't occur during a finale. But I could tell just from the way that it was shot that it was going to be a fake-out. It would have been so, so much better if they'd just left him dead.

Absolutely. They had a nice little build up to the scene too with the guy who shot himself trying to redeem himself and p much utterly failing to do so and that kind of being on Glenn for not telling him no.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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I think there are many, many worse shows currently on tv

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Wow some of you guys are really harsh. I don't see any problems with any of the actors in FTWD, i can definitely see criticisms of the writing and the story lines but the actors are fine. I can freely admit none of them are worthy of any awards or special recognition but i can't pinpoint a single one who is terrible or worth mocking for their acting abilities.



buckets of buckets posted:

the walking dead shows are not art, and worse, they do not even aspire to be art

While it's funny to think of any tv show being art they all are, it's whether or not its good or bad art that is debatable. Art isn't just the good things or things you like. Maybe that's an even worse indictment you could make on the show though, that they actually do aspire to be art.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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buckets of buckets posted:

Interesting, I was thinking the fact that they've probably chosen whose been killed based on contract negotiations disqualifies TWD, but then I remembered how mercenary a lot of renaissance painters were. Anyway if anyone wants a better written zombie show to check out, and has already seen Z-nation then watch Dead Set, a a British zombie series that also spoofs Big Brother in a romero-esque kind of way

Dead Set was awesome I absolutely agree.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

I think some of it has to do with the actual writing itself as well. Like I thought Nick's acting was really well done in the first season and a half, but fell a little flat in the second half of S2 because as much screen time as he got, it felt like he was just kind of there. Half the time he's just standing there listening to other people talk. The same thing happened with Alicia in the first season and a half, but now that they're writing her to be a little more interesting, her acting seems to have improved as well. Madison could use some more facial expressions but I still don't think her acting is that bad. I can definitely see Travis stepping it up next season after seeing his performance in the finale. Actually I think everyone's acting will probably be better by next season.

For me personally, it's better than overacting - like Lori for instance. It just made me more irritated by her presence than I already was. I like her performance in Colony better.

I can definitely understand the dislike of characters and the way they are written. I almost quit after the season 1 finale of FTWD when they just killed everyone at the military base but the whole Strand thing with the boat was worth waiting for season 2. But yeah, i'm not entirely happy with where everyone has progressed in the show but i do still think it's fun to watch.

I need to watch Colony, I've heard good things.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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That's my issue with the main series, i'm not really interested in seeing them gently caress with another group of comically evil people. I'd rather see them actually try to realistically live in the world but not in the cheesy way it was last year when everything was peaceful in Alexandria. They've touched on it occasionally with farming or solar panels but they just keep inserting another bad person or people for them to fight.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Frank is a survivor

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Xealot posted:

I haven't watched FtWD because frankly it looks horrible, but the locations are good?

The main sell for The Walking Dead in my mind was that it 1) took place "after" the outbreak, and 2) took place somewhere not a major city like LA or NYC. Those things felt like novelties at the time, so a version of the same story set in LA during the outbreak seems like a step back. But yeah, I could stand to see somewhere not-Georgia.

I wish they'd been more ambitious about FtWD, though. Somewhere not in the US, maybe. Or if they're going to do a US city, something like Boston or Minneapolis or Denver. Southern California is so familiar as a setting...seeing the worldview of TWD transposed to a place with winter or mountains would be neat.

They've been in Mexico for about half the show. I absolutely agree that a snowy or mountainous location would be cool though.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

The kid dying in the shower was part of the prison arc I already mentioned. Aside from that everything everyone has brought up are still injury-related deaths.

I'm talking about disease, viruses, parasites, dehydration, cancer etc (basically health-related issues and things that would be a lot more common in an apocalyptic situation).


Wait how did Tara's dad die? I remember he needed oxygen tanks and stuff.

Yeah this is part of what i wish the show would do. Kirkman talks about how he wants to see what the survivors of a zombie apocalypse do after the initial outbreak but then he/now the show writers seem to ignore the realities of what living in that world would actually entail. People can just jump into any car and drive it, heal from any wound, apparently find drinking water everywhere etc.

As far as everyone being a badass now I like that but it would be better if they gave people more to do than just kill more comically evil villains. That and everyone just surrendering and dropping their weapons at the drop of a hat.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Stickarts posted:

So you would rather watch season after season of "Rick looks for food", Daryl "tries to deal with heat rash" and Carol "worries about feminine hygiene products"? That sounds even worse than what we have now.

No? I like how when given an option for a different storyline you immediately jump to the dumbest one possible and consider no other alternatives. That's very constructive thinking.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Stickarts posted:

Abraham hunts for shaving cream. Carl gets a cavity.

The number of bolts/arrows/whatever you call them that Daryl leaves behind, I imagine he must constantly be looting hunting and outdoor stores.

Glenn has abnormally large feet and spends most of his spare time trying to find size 16s.

I was hoping for more of a diarrhea storyline, maybe a riot starts over people hoarding toilet paper

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

Awww, these are cute.





There are more pictures in that set too

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Stickarts posted:

Abraham hunts for shaving cream. Carl gets a cavity.

The number of bolts/arrows/whatever you call them that Daryl leaves behind, I imagine he must constantly be looting hunting and outdoor stores.

Glenn has abnormally large feet and spends most of his spare time trying to find size 16s.


Stickarts posted:

Rick was going to lead the group on a revenge rampage but they ran out of ibuprofen a month ago and now his sciatica is flaring up so instead we are going to watch an hour of him wincing while collecting water from the stream two miles away to wash Judith in. Tune in next week to find out she's teething.

fwiw i laughed my rear end of at these and really did appreciate the humor



LadyPictureShow posted:

This show has characters as low on ammo/supplies/food as necessary, and the dilemma tends to be wrapped up by the end of the episode.

In a deleted scene from the S2 opener when they went back to the nursing home, there was roughly a dozen people in the group, and all they had food-wise was like, a bag of chips, a bottle of wine, and a can of garbanzo beans. They got over it.

At the start of season 3, they were so low on supplies, Carl nearly ate a can of wet dog food before Rick smacked it out of his hands. By the end of the episode, they'd found the fully stocked pantry in the prison cafeteria.

Governor was coming for them and they're seriously outgunned and Rick is down to his last bullet. Crazy-town Morgan lets them take like, a dozen assault rifles and all the ammo they'd ever need.

People are getting sick left and right from the flu. Don't worry, they get back with meds in the nick of time before anyone important from the main cast succumbs to the sickness.

Everyone's starving/dehydrated to the point they're eating worms and wild dogs. Oh, here comes a rain storm and Aaron with supplies.

I feel like if they could play it right (haha, like that'd ever happen) a storyline about their futile attempts to keep someone alive/get someone help could be a good, melancholy little story arc. Like, for example, the emotions the group would go through if, say, they were out of formula for Judith, searching high and low for anything to keep her alive, and coming up empty handed and powerless to help her since a baby can't eat solid food. Or, say, someone comes down with something that would be easily treatable if society hadn't crumbled; like, appendicitis or pneumonia, or heck, even food poisoning from eating possibly expired canned goods. Some antibiotics and IV rehydration would have cleared that right up in the old world, but that's not a possibility now. Hell, even an allergic reaction could be lethal in the zombie apocalypse.

Granted, in a show about zombies, most people don't expect realism, but there's a lot that could be done beyond 'A bad man killed my friend, now I am sad'.

E: I think the only 'medical problem that is barely kept stable' they've ever shown was that girl with Dwight that had Diabetes. And she was dead by the end of the episode, so NBD.


Very good points.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Cactus posted:

Maggie is about the second or third to last one I'd expect them to do so if it is her then kudos, I suppose, for defying my expectations.

But the real story here is how loving retarded was the cliffhanger decision. It's been said time and time, but doing that just so that your show is discussed over the break is really stupid, if all of that discussion is tainted by the context of how much of a lame storytelling decision it was to have made.

It's like a fundamental misunderstanding, maybe even a total ignorance of, the concept of "hang a lampshade on it".

These loving writers. Can't wait to see what they have in store!

Somehow someone somewhere made a worse thing than Lebron James' "the decision".

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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well that was probably the most tasteless poo poo i've ever watched in my life, gently caress you to to the writers and producers of this show

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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teagone posted:

At least the writers had the balls to stay true to the source material with Glenn's death and not do a bitch made cop out by just making it Abraham.

that's about the only positive thing i could agree with on this, somewhere though those writers are furiously masturbating to their torture porn

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Johnny Truant posted:

This violence is not unparalleled, people. We literally saw a dude get his face ripped off and eaten against a glass door. Rick hacked off his love interest's hand, pretty graphically. Denise got an arrow through her eye then comically kept on babbling whatever dumb poo poo she was talking about before for a few more seconds. Diabeetus girl got munched in front of our eyes, we saw our *~*protagonists*~* just squelching knives effortlessly into sleeping fools' heads.

This isn't anything new. I'd bet if you timed how long we saw Noah get munched on it'd be comparable to Glen's Sloth impression.

For me it was this: Glorified death by zombie and gore is expected (Noah, Dale) and ridiculous in an Ash vs. Evil Dead sense. It's one of the reasons the show is fun to watch, you know a lot of these people will get killed by zombies and it gives the show a wide variety of ways to do it.

The people lined up getting whacked and their throats cut in Terminus was disturbing but effective in it's cold calculated way. There was little to no taunting, the people weren't getting some sadistic thrill from it and it was kinda horrifying that they seemed to have done it many many times before to be that comfortable doing it. Herschel getting his head cut off was brutal but was over pretty quick and the people who watched fought back after it happened.

In my opinion the Negan baseball batting was drawn out and sadistic being done to two people for essentially an entire episode as their helpless friends watched, that's what made me think it was really poorly done and offensive. I could have stomached it easier if it was quicker, if literally anyone else in Negan's group said something about how Rick and his group murdered their friends in their sleep or even any of Rick or his little group acknowledged that what they did when they murdered those people was pretty hosed up and got them to where they were. Instead it felt way out of place for the show to suddenly become a "Saw" or "Hostile" type movie scene.

Nobody who disliked this episode is giving any poo poo to people who liked it but there is this group of you guys who keep feigning ignorance that any other people could possibly see it a different way. If you don't understand the other people's perspective after numerous people trying to explain it to you then maybe just drop it and stop calling people pussies and little bitches and lets get on with the thread and watching the show. I enjoy this thread more than the show sometimes because people here have interesting insights and things to say.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Johnny Truant posted:

Don't think I've called anyone in here a pussy or a little bitch for disliking the gore. I'm saying this gore isn't new, it's not unparalleled and it isn't unlike the show. Sure the circumstances that the gore came about because of are different but the literal gore itself is standard for what we've seen so far in TWD. :shrug:

Oh and don't get me wrong I think the whole thing was done poorly and that was a poo poo episode.

You haven't and i'm sorry if it seemed i was saying you have. There are people itt who have though and most of them i really enjoy their posts so i was trying to say it the nicest way i could.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Hobo Clown posted:

Wouldn't be surprised if tonight ends up being a Carol & Morgan episode, and we don't even see Rick or Negan

I'm pretty sure it is, someone somewhere had an episode breakdown of who appeared in which episodes.


edit:
https://www.moviefone.com/2016/10/27/the-walking-dead-season-7-spoilers-list-characters-episodes/


Rick - 1,4,5,7,8,9,10,12
Carl - 1,4,5,7,8,9
Michonne - 1,4,5,7,8,9,10,12
Daryl - 1,3,4,7(?),8,9,10,13
Maggie - 1,5,8,9,13
Glenn - 1
Carol - 1,2,8,9(?),10
Morgan - 1,2,8,9,10
Abe - 1
Sasha - 1,5,8,9,12,13
Eugene - 1,4(?),6,7,8,11,13
Rosita - 1,4,6,7,8,9,10,12,13
Tara - 1,6,8,9,12
Aaron - 1,4,5,7,8,9,10
Negan - 1,3,4,7,8,11,13(?)
Dwight - 1,3,4,7,11
Simon- 1,5,9,13
Jesus - 5,7,8,9,13
Enid -1,4,5,8,9(?),13
Father Gabriel - 1(?)4,7,8,9,10,12
Spencer- 1(?)4,7,8
Olivia - 4,7,8
Eric - 1,4,8,9
Heath - 6
Gregory - 5,8,9,13
Sherry- 3,7
Judith - 1,7,12
Tobin - 4(?),8
Ezekiel - 2,9,10

New characters from casting calls:
"Jennie" - 6
"Naomi" - 6
"Rogers" (Richard) - 2,8,9,10
"Blake" - 2, 9(?),10
"Brion" - 9,12

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Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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a mans hand holding an apple

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Optimus_Rhyme posted:

I read the cast episode list so I'll spoiler this:

of course next week is going to be the daryl episode gotta see what he's up to now

Question for comic readers, when was this whole plot introduced? Was it before or after the series started? Because I wonder how much the first few seasons of the show influenced the comic.

Supposedly they reversed the episode order of #2 and 3 after the response to the first episode/season premiere.

This episode was kinda cheesy with the ren fair music n the background, I half expected all the townspeople in the Kingdom to talk in fake english accents, but like others here have already said i liked Ezekiel's reveal toward the end. Also echoing the "how the gently caress do you feed a tiger?" questions. It seems like they are lining up Negan et al to be the evil guys, Ezekiel et al as the good people and Rick et al as the neutral people who can do what the good people can't (i.e. kill people really well). Kind of an oversimplification but at least an interesting story arc for season 7.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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moist turtleneck posted:

This is easy, you feed the tiger one pig every so often since pigs grow on trees

"Yes Carol I'm glad you got to see my pig orchard before you left, these organic pigs are delicious, you really should try one"


I will say though that it seems reasonable that animals are still alive, humans are good at hunting because they are cunning and use tools and I can't in my mind imagine any scenario in which a zombie could actually catch and kill and animal.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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If anyone is looking for good zombie watching for Halloween I can't recommend this enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOquktXvkT4

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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I heard they are bringing Glen back with one of those head/eye visor things like the guy in star trek

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

GoT/TWD crossover Melisandre pays a visit to Virginia

A friend of mine got really pissed when they realized a few seasons in that GoT is really just another zombie show.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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UmOk posted:

So we have the Saviors, the Kingdom, Ezekiel, and Jesus. Did I miss anything? Is the show trying to do something with this or do they think it's just fun names?

There was a Noah and an Abraham and there's still a Gabriel and a Judith

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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UmOk posted:

Is there any way to connect Noah to his biblical counterpart? I just remember him as another dead black guy.

haha

google posted:

In Hebrew the meaning of the name Noah is: Comfort; long-lived; repose.


Every time I think of Noah's gruesome death scene as he stares in horror at Glen who is watching helplessly I can't help hearing the theme to his first show playing in my head, "Everybody haaaaates Chris..."

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Buzkashi posted:

Somebody in a previous thread had the great line "Everybody ate Chris"

ok that's awesome

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Optimus_Rhyme posted:

And since all the ideas here are amazing, I suspect NONE of those things will happen and Judith is being saved by the author so Rick has ONE LAST thing to lose after losing Carl somehow.

Two full episodes of Negan beating a baby with a club made from one of Carl's femurs as everyone is forced to watch, ratings gold.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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DarklyDreaming posted:

Figure out what her goal is. That sounds snide but that's really it, she wants a reason to keep living besides survival's sake otherwise it's just a mountain of corpses with her at the top

Ya pretty much this. She wasn't happy being a Rambo like killer or a wolf in sheep's clothing cookie baker who threatens children. She isn't sure what she wants or if she wants to get close to people again, see them die or be threatened and have to become a ruthless killer again.

I always assumed she was still a little hosed up about Rick and co. murdering those people in their sleep and her and Maggie being captured and then having to kill her captors, some of whom slightly humanized themselves before she killed them.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Nutsak posted:

I think that's what they're trying to do with her as well, or at least, give us the impression that's what they're doing.

I was waiting for Daryl to respond to the name question with "Daryl, but you can call me Neegan". They keep toying with the idea that they're going to kill him off and it's super boring because we know that they know that they're not going to do that any time soon for fear of viewers switching off.

Yeah I assumed Negan had her earmarked to become Daryl's "wife" for when/if he comes over to Team Negan or to use her as a potential victim if Daryl tries to leave.

I actually liked this episode.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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magpie posted:

Isn't she Negans Wife/Concubine now? He's trying to get her pregnant too so I can't imagine he'd hand her off to Daryl plus he can use the Alexandrians to keep Daryl in line.

I thought the episode was ok. There wasn't a lot of follow through with all the threats; the lady said Daryl would be better off going back to his cell with an onimous 'it will be MUCH worse if you get caught' but all he got was a beating. Negan gave him three options (with no 'door number 4'), join him fully, join him and work for points or end up as a walker on the fence, Daryl defied him and ends up....back in his cell?

Negan is doing way too many fakeouts. Every sentence Negan speaks seems to be some sort of threat so the more he talks and doesn't deliver the less menacing he gets. 'Lucille feels disrespected...but she's not thirsty....BUT IM THIRSTY....so I'll get a drink!'. Aye very good Negan.


What was the '39' thing written down in the notepad in the opening?

i just assumed Negan had tons of wives and that she had access to Darryl only because Negan allowed it and wanted it. It seems they're trying to make Negan into some master behavior specialist but like other people have said it makes no sense that no one has just shot him at this point.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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magpie posted:

Yeah that makes sense I suppose, she wouldn't be wondering about the prison wing if he didn't want her to.


I dunno, people often fall in line behind some pretty reprehensible leaders. His top henchmen have every intensive to protect him, do his bidding and take out any malcontents.

Yeah and thats what i guess we have to assume



Astroman posted:

:eng101: "Super-hot."


Yeah I don't understand that part either. He has a bat. And everyone around him, even his most closest, personal lieutenants, are still guys he treats like poo poo, constantly tests, and plays mind games with. I could understand if he had some sort of inner circle of best bros who prop him up, but literally everyone would be better off personally if he was gone. :shrug:


but i keep coming back to this, I wish they'd shown us someone above Dwight who wasn't so obviously conflicted

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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This show...

:cripes:

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

Yeah. He was from a group of big-bads or something and that's why Rick was refusing to let him leave - fear that Randall would lead his group back to the farm. Shane pretended to be releasing him so he could go join his group, but then snapped his neck. That was when everyone found out that you don't need to be bitten to turn.

Though the CDC guy in Atlanta had already told them that at the end of season 1, no?

Also: I get that JDM is a charismatic guy and this is a zombie tv show but holy poo poo that dude would have gotten his head blown off for the poo poo he pulls and they've still yet to show us a single follower of his who seems to buy in to his power.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Acacia REI posted:

Yeah, most of season 2 was pretty awful. It could have potentially been better if they hadn't drawn out the group deciding what they were going to do with Randall for like 4 episodes (though that was hardly the only thing wrong with S2) and did something more with his merry band of savages instead. Still think it would have been cool for Shane to infiltrate them, or have them stumble on the farm.

He only told Rick, and Rick didn't tell anyone until after the Randall incident.

oh, been a while, ty


Mu Zeta posted:

Negan is a lame one note character and every scene is the same. But the guy with the tiger is even worse because his wig looks so fake.

Ya I hate to be too negative but that sums up my thoughts on Negan pretty well. At least the Governor had a decent community where you could easily tell why people bought in and his later solo episodes were good in that you got see him as a conflicted character. Negan just seems like someone from a bad syfy/hercules/xena type tv show. I even like Dwight better, he's a much more realized character.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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Thrifting Day! posted:

Going by my Facebook feed and the odd tv review I read, you are the only guys who don't think the Negan character is utterly brilliant (in a terrifying sort of way).

No offense but Facebook feeds and tv reviews aren't really a good way of getting people's opinions. That's why I like this thread and threads like them, no one here is trying to get upvotes or views or page clicks it's just people who watch the show expressing their opinions. So far a lot of people itt have said they like Negan and a lot of people have said they don't.

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Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

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RenegadeStyle1 posted:

Has anyone else gave up watching? I actually pulled the plug and stopped after episode one. I felt conflicted because there really was a time it was one of my favorite shows on TV, probably up until around the time they got to Alexandria.

I know a lot of married couples who quit after this season's premiere and a few single people who did the same (all 30-40 year old people) but the people I know who read the comics first are all still watching. I really didn't like the premiere but I like the show so I'm still watching.

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