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Kylra posted:Hamelin and Ragnarok VII both return for OSBfest, but some of the other stuff like Lightbringer IX and Crystal Comb don't. I thought Ragnarok 7 was literally the only OSB that doesn't return during OSBfest. Granted, considering the oddities of Global, and the alteration to the last fest, I'm half expecting them to relatively delay the OSBfest and then do Double OSB Fest. They always keep you on your toes. Anyways, the important thing is that the banners are basically the same for a newbie; They have a good cannon(Cloud OSB/Beatrix BSB), a good support effect(Quina's Shout clone/Protector's Roar), a solid Hastega(Divine Guardian/Apocalypse) and a great Medica(White Materia/Eiko BSB). You can argue the quality differences between 'em, but it's basically good either way.
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ApplesandOranges posted:There's no guarantee that Hamelin will return for OSBfest. There's a good chance, since it's a pretty hyped Burst, but no guarantees.
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Frog Drop isn't a Shout clone, since it does damage instead of Hastega. The Golden Hairpin is a good pull since it's the only armour piece to date that boosts Water damage though.
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SageAcrin posted:I thought Ragnarok 7 was literally the only OSB that doesn't return during OSBfest. Yeah, my bad. I got it mixed up with a different Ragnarok.
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drat it you guys, you're making Keeper 2 seem like the smart choice but Cloud the pick that's so crazy it might just work. The only 5* i have right now is the Blitz Sword it gave me as my starter relic, so I genuinely have nothing right now. If I go Keeper 2, which of the choices am I best going with, then? Red Armlet seems like a decent pick because it's generic?
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Kylra posted:It's on the JP list unless this spreadsheet is wrong. That's no guarantee sure, but I would guess it's probably still going to be there at least. Wasn't it just the undercards that got shuffled for the triple BSB event global had? Only the new featured relics (like the new OSBs) are guaranteed to show up on the fest. The OSBs already released up to that point will also likely make it in. Everything else is in a state of 'maybe'.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Only the new featured relics (like the new OSBs) are guaranteed to show up on the fest. The OSBs already released up to that point will also likely make it in. Everything else is in a state of 'maybe'.
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Wilekat posted:drat it you guys, you're making Keeper 2 seem like the smart choice but Cloud the pick that's so crazy it might just work. Keeper 2 IS the smart choice. Platinum Sword and Sentinel Grimoire still remain as the biggest two jumps in power you can get. And rest of the relics are really good too. For the selectable relics Red Armlet is good long term, but if you're really new, I think you'd benefit more from Scholar Hat, Gaia Gear or Esthar Bracers to have a party wide AoE heal. Bracers probably being the best, since they double as damage boosting armor when needed. But if you pull Vanille's Physician's Staff for an actual medica, then Red Armlet is a fine pick.
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Bear in mind Keeper 2 isn't going anywhere any time soon. If you wanna drop a pull on your favorite final fantasy or the chance of a crazy relic like Ragnarok ( ), then go for it, especially if you're early on. Any relic you get from these banners (unless you get some reaaaally abysmal off-banner pull) is going to be able to carry you for a while. Hell, even a lovely off-banner pull should still be able to carry you up through about the first half of most event elites-- that's about as far as I was getting back in the dark days of non-G5 when I didn't have a single soul break.keeper 2 is really good though, so it is the smart choice
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Wilekat posted:drat it you guys, you're making Keeper 2 seem like the smart choice but Cloud the pick that's so crazy it might just work. Essentially accurate, IMO, yeah.  ApplesandOranges posted:Frog Drop isn't a Shout clone, since it does damage instead of Hastega. Yeah, misspoke. It's a 50% Boostga, but not Hastega. Should have said "inferior Shout-like". Still, both that and Protector's Roar are good Boostga in a vacuum. Roar has better legs long term, because I think even in JP it still stacks with literally everything, whereas Frog Drop is largely just worse than Shout in the end, but it's not like either's bad short term.
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So is this another one of those where they give us one to start and make us wait for more from upcoming events? What's the best choice in a vacuum? Cloud or Tyro seem like the smart choice for me since they both run in my A-Team but I don't know what the best new RMs are.
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Lots of people are going for Luneth for his RM(It's one of those double EXP randomly deals, except 40% rate instead of 20%). Cloud's RM(30% to all physical attacks while equpping a sword) isn't half bad just because it's universal, but it won't give you a super high boost ever-some later RMs are 40%(actually I think there's one 40% this time, but it is to Thief skills. Take that as you will.). Decent chance I'm just gonna throw mine at Tyro or a similarly always useful character like Y'shtola just for the stats.
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Wilekat posted:drat it you guys, you're making Keeper 2 seem like the smart choice but Cloud the pick that's so crazy it might just work. PhysicsFrenzy posted:Bear in mind Keeper 2 isn't going anywhere any time soon. If you wanna drop a pull on your favorite final fantasy or the chance of a crazy relic like Ragnarok ( It really does bear to mention that the #1 Rule to Pulling is to pull for favorites. It's not too uncommon for someone to come into this thread having pulled an amazing relic for a character they don't like and being disappointed about it. That's normal! Right now, the best banner to pull on for you is Tyro's Selection 2. It has Shout and Sentinel's Grimoire, which will long-term be your best options, both because the effects themselves are genuinely game-changing and because the characters they're on perform vital functions in difficult content, Ramza in providing the Support 5 Full Break/____ Breakdown combo, Tyro in providing access to all equipment and abilities, no matter what they are, at the cost of lower stats. The other five relics were also curated to be decent options on very good characters (Squall, Gilgamesh, Terra, Bartz, Vanille); no actual bombs, but perfectly serviceable. The free starter pick will also give you another 5* piece of equipment to make you just that little bit stronger with some proofing for future content where your character selection is limited to realm-specific characters, though we're getting ahead of ourselves. That said, if you have a particular fondness for Cloud, Aerith, Cid or Red XIII, now is the time to pull. The Tyro's Selection 2 banner will be around for almost a whole year; the Cloud banner will be going away sometime Monday after next. Similarly, while the upcoming Eiko 1 banner that has a lot of people here talking has more of a veteran bent, it's not like pulling its top prizes wouldn't be great for you and if you have a soft spot for Eiko, Beatrix, Quina or even Freya or Garnet, all the better. Basically, pulling on TS2 is the smart choice but if you want a chance at Wind God Cloud or fancy the idea of Eiko being your healer for many months to come, the Cloud or Eiko banners could be the right choices.
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Kylra posted:Hamelin is new isn't it? It's the headliner for Eiko 1. It is the headliner for Eiko 1, but when they say new, they mean literally debuted with the event. For OSB fest, these would be the guaranteed relics: OSB: Terra, Vaan, Bartz, Tyro, Hope BSB: Agrias, Edge, Warrior of Light Nothing else is guaranteed, although a lot of things are extremely likely. They might not even be on the same Banners either. IllegallySober posted:So is this another one of those where they give us one to start and make us wait for more from upcoming events? MC3s launched in Japan along the GOLD FES, where I think you could another MC3 crystals For MC3s, I'd say Luneth for EXP, then Cloud since most people probably have a lot of synergy swords. Going for favourites works fine too, it is an extra 19 levels of stats compared to the 15 from MC1/2. For damage boosts, element and weapon boosts will be 30%, ability schools are 40% (except Locke's Celerity school boost at 35%). I think the Jump boost is 45%, but it's not verified in Enlir's. Great if you pull Fang's OSB in 6 months. Edit: Finding information on what Gold FES actually did seems impossible when it was like 4 events at once + the BRABRA music event and FF7 event. For sure you're getting one MC3 from it. pichupal fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Cape Cod Crab Chip posted:It really does bear to mention that the #1 Rule to Pulling is to pull for favorites. It's not too uncommon for someone to come into this thread having pulled an amazing relic for a character they don't like and being disappointed about it. That's normal! Right now, the best banner to pull on for you is Tyro's Selection 2. It has Shout and Sentinel's Grimoire, which will long-term be your best options, both because the effects themselves are genuinely game-changing and because the characters they're on perform vital functions in difficult content, Ramza in providing the Support 5 Full Break/____ Breakdown combo, Tyro in providing access to all equipment and abilities, no matter what they are, at the cost of lower stats. The other five relics were also curated to be decent options on very good characters (Squall, Gilgamesh, Terra, Bartz, Vanille); no actual bombs, but perfectly serviceable. The free starter pick will also give you another 5* piece of equipment to make you just that little bit stronger with some proofing for future content where your character selection is limited to realm-specific characters, though we're getting ahead of ourselves. That said, if you have a particular fondness for Cloud, Aerith, Cid or Red XIII, now is the time to pull. The Tyro's Selection 2 banner will be around for almost a whole year; the Cloud banner will be going away sometime Monday after next. Similarly, while the upcoming Eiko 1 banner that has a lot of people here talking has more of a veteran bent, it's not like pulling its top prizes wouldn't be great for you and if you have a soft spot for Eiko, Beatrix, Quina or even Freya or Garnet, all the better. Basically, pulling on TS2 is the smart choice but if you want a chance at Wind God Cloud or fancy the idea of Eiko being your healer for many months to come, the Cloud or Eiko banners could be the right choices. Basically the way I would put it is this: if you came to the game because you were like, "oh poo poo, a final fantasy game where I can use a team of my favorite characters to beat the poo poo out of all the classic battles? Aweomse!" then you should pull on whatever banner appeals to you most first and worry about total viability later. If you're more interested in it purely as a game you want to excel at, then Tyro Selection 2 is probably the better bet. Neither is a wrong answer and trust me when I say I understand the pain of getting decent to outright awesome relics for characters you hate, but having to then use them because those are the only relics you have. At most the latter is the more optimal way to look at it, but you'll always get more Mithril and have another chance to fix things later.
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For MC3s they will hand out 1 blank one in most events and occasionally special events give some (Upcoming Gold Fes will have 1 in the casino for example). This means you can expect 3-4 per month, but each month or so another wave of characters gets triple broken, so it will be a looooooooong time before everyone is maxed out. Luneth is a safe first MC3, since all RM4s are acquired once a character hits 99 automatically, so getting a super +xp RM makes getting all future RMs easier.
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SageAcrin posted:Yeah, misspoke. It's a 50% Boostga, but not Hastega. Should have said "inferior Shout-like". Not necessarily - Frog Drop means you can stack it with OK BSB for a bigger boost without redundancy. Protector's Roar will still stack with it, but for a small offensive boost (but you get some slight DEF and MND boosts to go with it). Shout is still better than Frog Drop, because you can stack it with the other ATK/MAG buffs like Deployment Tactics, but Quina and Laguna's damage versions aren't obsoleted over time.
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KnoxZone posted:For MC3s they will hand out 1 blank one in most events and occasionally special events give some (Upcoming Gold Fes will have 1 in the casino for example). This means you can expect 3-4 per month, but each month or so another wave of characters gets triple broken, so it will be a looooooooong time before everyone is maxed out. Cool. Might even just break and egg Luneth to 99 and then spend the rest of the evening running a four-person party through SunDaily
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CaptainPsyko posted:Well then, if you have so many relics for them, consider using them more? We're at the beginning of the era of stacking +Mag buffs and mixed parties and chaingas. No reason to shackle yourself to shout anymore. I know, I just hate having to use abilities to clear trash. My magic hones aren't great (4 shots on each of the 4-stars), and I don't know that I'll have the resources to fix that soon, as I'm saving orbs to improve my break game and some other utility stuff. I could probably do some relatively sick things with access to Blood of Espers, Magitek Missle, Turk Bombshell, Sheepsong, Wishing Star, Darkflare Star, Maelstrom's Bolt, and Heaven's Wrath, but that doesn't do me a ton of good if I run out of steam or get killed before I even reach the boss, which is kind of where I end up if I put more than 1 or 2 black mages on my team.
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So I did a pull each on the Cloud and Keeper banners and wound up with a bunch of good stuff, including a Platinum Sword, Apocalypse, Crystal Cross and Excalibur V. Problem is, I don't have any of the characters that use them? Any idea when I'll have another shot at getting any of them (especially Ramza, since I understand his SB is amazing)?
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Silvergun1000 posted:So I did a pull each on the Cloud and Keeper banners and wound up with a bunch of good stuff, including a Platinum Sword, Apocalypse, Crystal Cross and Excalibur V. Problem is, I don't have any of the characters that use them? Any idea when I'll have another shot at getting any of them (especially Ramza, since I understand his SB is amazing)? Use hero souls from the classic half of events to grab characters you don't have as the need arises
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ArmadilloConspiracy posted:I know, I just hate having to use abilities to clear trash. My magic hones aren't great (4 shots on each of the 4-stars), and I don't know that I'll have the resources to fix that soon, as I'm saving orbs to improve my break game and some other utility stuff. I could probably do some relatively sick things with access to Blood of Espers, Magitek Missle, Turk Bombshell, Sheepsong, Wishing Star, Darkflare Star, Maelstrom's Bolt, and Heaven's Wrath, but that doesn't do me a ton of good if I run out of steam or get killed before I even reach the boss, which is kind of where I end up if I put more than 1 or 2 black mages on my team. e: Also now I have SG and Thyrus and no idea which to use. If I use SG I can use a healer with a real medica (or Selphie and her BSB), but if I use Stoneskin II I can have Tyro use Keeper's Tome instead...hmm. Panic! at Nabisco fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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So for record diving, I can pretty much throw 3-star motes around like candy since you can buy more from the ghysal shop every time it renews, right? I mean obviously I'd only spend them on characters I intend to use a lot, but do I need to be stingy with them at all like I would with 4-star motes?
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:So for record diving, I can pretty much throw 3-star motes around like candy since you can buy more from the ghysal shop every time it renews, right? I mean obviously I'd only spend them on characters I intend to use a lot, but do I need to be stingy with them at all like I would with 4-star motes? Motes refresh in the shop monthly, not weekly.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Not necessarily - Frog Drop means you can stack it with OK BSB for a bigger boost without redundancy. Protector's Roar will still stack with it, but for a small offensive boost (but you get some slight DEF and MND boosts to go with it). Shout doesn't let you drop a giant frog on your enemies' heads. I don't see how it's superior. 
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Get some of the RMs that make your attack command a magic attack! Maria, Vivi, Selphie, and Ovelia have em. Important to note: Selphie's RM, Flower of Trabia (turns attack into a holy magic attack) works off the MND stat, not MAG. So it's not a good idea if you're using a low MND mage like Kefka or Edea, but it's great for giving a White Mage character something to contribute in auto-battling trash mobs. So I decided to boost up some characters I'd pulled relics for today on Sundaily, and now that there's the awesome feature to sort equipment by unmastered SBs, I've been going down the list. Turns out I've had an SB for Amarant for months and never realized it! Dragon's Claw apparently has an SB attached to it and I had no idea. I mean, not that I ever would've used it anyway (it's bad because it conflicts with Shout I assume) but it's nice to know.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:So for record diving, I can pretty much throw 3-star motes around like candy since you can buy more from the ghysal shop every time it renews, right? I mean obviously I'd only spend them on characters I intend to use a lot, but do I need to be stingy with them at all like I would with 4-star motes? I would recommend looking at this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SO2Pkju4aufHxdSLtVSo4YaJ3k7sVrcywiaCfglw4SI/edit#gid=1249160093 Characters that you have good hones and soul breaks for should likely be your first place to stuff 'em. Beyond that, look at the 5* ability unlocks on the second tab. Some characters will greatly benefit from 4* motes. Examples include, but are not limited to: Luneth (5*Spellblade/5*Darkness/4*Support), Quistis (5* BM), Gilgamesh (5* Dragoon), Faris (5* Dancer/4* Machinist) and Cait Sith (5* Summon), plus Gaffgarion (5* Knight) and Alphinaud (5* WM/BM) when we get them. Varance fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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On the subject of smart pulls vs favoritism pulls, I just want to say that every single pull-because-I-love-this-guy has backfired (except for my swole Bartz), whereas I hate FF13 and lucky draws have made it far and away my most stacked realm. It's kinda funny, because it almost makes me have a better opinion of the game in hindsight when I roll over everything with my super-geared Hope (who I loving hated), and Lightning (who I was ambivalent towards). Like, aww yeah, it's time to bring out these annoying fuckos I despise and ruin everything with them  Similarly I hate FF6 but I like it a lot in retrospect after steamrolling everything with my super-powered Celes. Chillgamesh fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Heaven Spacey posted:On the subject of smart pulls vs favoritism pulls, I just want to say that every single pull-because-I-love-this-guy has backfired (except for my swole Bartz), whereas I hate FF13 and lucky draws have made it far and away my most stacked realm. It's kinda funny, because it almost makes me have a better opinion of the game in hindsight when I roll over everything with my super-geared Hope (who I loving hated), and Lightning (who I was ambivalent towards). Like, aww yeah, it's time to bring out these annoying fuckos I despise and ruin everything with them Yeah, I might have come around to that eventually but my main problem originally was that I was getting nothing and what little I did get was poo poo for characters I didn't like. Despite playing the game for something like a year, the sum total of actual Relics I'd managed to pull, not crappy shared like the Gladius or useful but still boring 5* with no Soul Breaks, was Kain's Blood Lance for Lancet, Squall's Revolver for Rough Divide, Irvine's Ulysses for Canister Shot and Locke's Rising Sun for Mirage Dive. It was loving abysmal. But thanks to G5 my Global account is turning around and my JP continues to be so stacked that I don't even care when I get less than stellar pulls/dupes. See, I'd join in on the condemnation but . . . eh. To each their own and all that. LornMarkus fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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pichupal posted:It is the headliner for Eiko 1, but when they say new, they mean literally debuted with the event. All the more reason for me to pull more on Eiko 1 then.
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