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AnoHito
May 8, 2014

I'm glad Kuzu-P seems to have both gotten what was coming to him, and, unlike a certain other character destroyed by their own foolish arrogance, has actually realized it was all his fault.

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Agronox
Feb 4, 2005
TheHugBee translated the next "interview."

http://imgur.com/a/Fj27w

CryingAthena
Nov 12, 2013
To my pleasant surprise Sato Amina somehow made it on to this show! :kimchi:

And I'm so glad Chitose and Kuzu are both getting what's been coming to them all season. Now hopefully they'll actually learn their lessons!

...and there goes Chitose being an absolute spoiled brat and an rear end to her brother who's done nothing but tried to help her. Jesus. Why isn't he kicking her out already? :colbert:

horriblePencilist
Oct 18, 2012

It's a Dirt Devil!
Get it?
If you have less self awareness than poo poo Producer you know you hosed up.

Dr. Cuddles
Jul 18, 2010
chitose did nothing to deserve this

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

CryingAthena posted:

To my pleasant surprise Sato Amina somehow made it on to this show! :kimchi:

And I'm so glad Chitose and Kuzu are both getting what's been coming to them all season. Now hopefully they'll actually learn their lessons!

...and there goes Chitose being an absolute spoiled brat and an rear end to her brother who's done nothing but tried to help her. Jesus. Why isn't he kicking her out already? :colbert:

It is honestly physically painful to watch someone so dumb gently caress up so hard and never learn from any of it.

The theory I had for how this was going to end was that Kuzu would somehow take Chitose under his wing and create a new generation of shitheel producer, but if even he's starting to come around...

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Dr. Cuddles posted:

chitose did nothing to deserve this

You're right, she did nothing to improve herself therefore she deserves what she reaped

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!
Too much ganbarimasing!

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

i like this new manager he seems airhgt i bet he'll set chitose down on the right trak

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

oh, hahahahaha


e: nvm this show managing to make me care about chitose a little bit now :(

Futaba Anzu fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Dec 11, 2016

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

i laughed at the extremely detailed background art lady after a shoddy looking episode

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
Matsuoka manager (VA: Matsuoka) is pretty awesome and he's actually a lot more competent than he looks.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Zettace posted:

Matsuoka manager (VA: Matsuoka) is pretty awesome and he's actually a lot more competent than he looks.

:yeah:
https://a.pomf.cat/qrrrhl.webm

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
I wonder if this role was written for VA Matsuoka or it was supposed to be a character based off of Matsuoka Shuzo and VA Matsuoka coincidentally got the job.

Cowwan
Feb 23, 2011
I have a lot of :words: I could say about Chitose, but I'm going to leave it at: It's scary how much I can relate to Chitose and I'm not sure I'm supposed to.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
is Yae a pure girl whom everyone is projecting their shameful flaws onto? or maybe she really does have a secret...



hm...

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Space Flower posted:

is Yae a pure girl whom everyone is projecting their shameful flaws onto? or maybe she really does have a secret...



hm...

smoke weed

CryingAthena
Nov 12, 2013
Knowing Sato Amina's career before this show made it actually hard to watch Nana go on and on about trying hard and effort being rewarded in the end. :(

Chitose only just now wondering why her brother quit voice-acting...good lord, this girl is just the most self-centered being in the show along with Trash-P. It never occurred to you to ask him? But you were still totally cool with slamming him down earlier for quitting?! And still she sees no issue with her own behavior and work ethics, instead blaming everyone around her and the system that's somehow making changing and personal growth useless and impossible. The new manager is pretty much her polar opposite in work ethics and personality, doing so much to encourage and support her, and she's just blind to all of it. It's painful to watch.

But I'll be back next week because I want to believe even trash like Chitose and Trash-P can become better people.

Cowwan
Feb 23, 2011

CryingAthena posted:

doing so much to encourage and support her, and she's just blind to all of it. It's painful to watch.

I don't like him, it feels less like encouragement and support and more like shoving to me. Not to say Gojou was doing a great job either.

On Chitose. She feels like the result of a dysfunctional system that rewarded her lovely habits. The bit where she started aping Kazuha's previous work and everyone praised her for improving comes to mind. Kuzu-p and his continued employment is an indicator of just how broken the system is. Chitose is definitely at fault for not trying harder mind you, but it's easy to lie to yourself when you half rear end something and get told it's great. I don't think she's in a position to learn from someone else at this point. She needs to properly fail before she gets it, but I don't know if that'll happen. Kuzu-p ran everything into the ground and he they still let him back in.

booksnake
May 4, 2009

we who are crowned with the crest of wisdom
Just got around to watching ep 10.

Chitose admitting she is a trash actor :shittypop:

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

Cowwan posted:

I don't like him, it feels less like encouragement and support and more like shoving to me. Not to say Gojou was doing a great job either.

On Chitose. She feels like the result of a dysfunctional system that rewarded her lovely habits. The bit where she started aping Kazuha's previous work and everyone praised her for improving comes to mind. Kuzu-p and his continued employment is an indicator of just how broken the system is. Chitose is definitely at fault for not trying harder mind you, but it's easy to lie to yourself when you half rear end something and get told it's great. I don't think she's in a position to learn from someone else at this point. She needs to properly fail before she gets it, but I don't know if that'll happen. Kuzu-p ran everything into the ground and he they still let him back in.

I don't feel like the system is really rewarding her lovely habits. If she paid attention to anyone other than herself she might notice that the other newbie VAs are getting more lead roles while she's been relegated to mob characters. And now after months of ignoring a manager who was constantly telling her she needs to shape up, she's ignoring a new manager who is constantly telling her to shape up.

That said, they shouldn't have been telling her at the beginning (before they even heard her act) that she was talented.

Cowwan
Feb 23, 2011
It's not rewarding her in the sense that she isn't thriving, but it is rewarding her in the sense that they keep feeding her ego, especially early on. It's hard to listen to the people telling you to shape up when you're being told how talented you are by someone else, even if the first group is absolutely right. This is not healthy/normal mind you, but it is a hard pit to get out of.

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


come on chitose you can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005
*collapses on couch, decides not to*

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


Agronox posted:

*collapses on couch, decides not to*

noooooooo

CryingAthena
Nov 12, 2013

Cowwan posted:

I don't like him, it feels less like encouragement and support and more like shoving to me. Not to say Gojou was doing a great job either.

On Chitose. She feels like the result of a dysfunctional system that rewarded her lovely habits. The bit where she started aping Kazuha's previous work and everyone praised her for improving comes to mind. Kuzu-p and his continued employment is an indicator of just how broken the system is. Chitose is definitely at fault for not trying harder mind you, but it's easy to lie to yourself when you half rear end something and get told it's great. I don't think she's in a position to learn from someone else at this point. She needs to properly fail before she gets it, but I don't know if that'll happen. Kuzu-p ran everything into the ground and he they still let him back in.

I think the sibling dynamics were getting in the way of the previous VA-manager-relationship. The new manager at least is doing his research, offering materials that could help Chitose (as opposed to the previous "work harder" without specification on how exactly or in what area) and trying to keep up the fighting spirit. New Guy's energy obviously seems too much and overbearing after Gojou and "I'll just make snide remarks at my sister at home and frown but otherwise let her do whatever". The approaches to the managing jobs are entirely different. We also haven't seen how Gojou works with other talents: he might be a total pro badass with Nana and other talents and then slips to disappointed brother mode with Chitose.

Kuzu-P was actually never fired, per se. He's still on the payroll and poo poo, but he's out of Towada's way and moping in the corner over his ego. So Towada gets the ball rolling and then they need to call Kuzu because "HEY, REMEMBER THAT YOU ACTUALLY WORK HERE SO YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE". Japanese work ethics of never telling your boss if they're messing up directly lead to Kuzu doing whatever he wanted while the competent folks were reduced to damage control. Within the Japanese working culture they can't get rid of Kuzu unless/until the higher-ups say he's fired, if they dare since employee loyalty (the longer you work there the less likely you'll get fired) and Kuzu having history with the company.

It struck me later that when Nana and Chitose ran into those fanboys the lexicon used was definitely all idol industry. Even Chitose's behavior was called "salty" in Japanese, not to mention the support rhetoric from the fanboys. Maybe it's also standard with VA-fans and I've just missed it altogether?

Cowwan
Feb 23, 2011

CryingAthena posted:

I think the sibling dynamics were getting in the way of the previous VA-manager-relationship. The new manager at least is doing his research, offering materials that could help Chitose (as opposed to the previous "work harder" without specification on how exactly or in what area) and trying to keep up the fighting spirit. New Guy's energy obviously seems too much and overbearing after Gojou and "I'll just make snide remarks at my sister at home and frown but otherwise let her do whatever". The approaches to the managing jobs are entirely different. We also haven't seen how Gojou works with other talents: he might be a total pro badass with Nana and other talents and then slips to disappointed brother mode with Chitose.

I agree. If anything I think the two extremes not working might be the point. Chitose needs someone willing to empathize enough with her to help her on the long lovely road ahead (because getting out of your bubble of self importance SUCKS), but also willing to get on her case.

CryingAthena posted:

Kuzu-P was actually never fired, per se. He's still on the payroll and poo poo, but he's out of Towada's way and moping in the corner over his ego. So Towada gets the ball rolling and then they need to call Kuzu because "HEY, REMEMBER THAT YOU ACTUALLY WORK HERE SO YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE". Japanese work ethics of never telling your boss if they're messing up directly lead to Kuzu doing whatever he wanted while the competent folks were reduced to damage control. Within the Japanese working culture they can't get rid of Kuzu unless/until the higher-ups say he's fired, if they dare since employee loyalty (the longer you work there the less likely you'll get fired) and Kuzu having history with the company.

My thoughts were more that he deserves to be fired. If anything keeping him around is hurting him as well as everyone else because he needs the same lesson as Chitose.

CryingAthena posted:

It struck me later that when Nana and Chitose ran into those fanboys the lexicon used was definitely all idol industry. Even Chitose's behavior was called "salty" in Japanese, not to mention the support rhetoric from the fanboys. Maybe it's also standard with VA-fans and I've just missed it altogether?

I'm not going to try to defend Chitose's being cold to fans. Stuff like that is why I like her, but I feel like it is part of the whole "she is bad at her job and needs to improve" deal.

Major Ricardo
Jan 30, 2001

Agronox posted:

*collapses on couch, decides not to*

My biography.

Good Listener
Sep 2, 2006

Ask me about moons
Fact #1 The Moon is really cool
I am so conflicted because I know Chitose did all of this to herself. But at the same time, she is our terrible trash girl. Get out of here new girl. You can do it Chitose :(

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
Ep 11 was really nice, but then I tend to enjoy gloomy atmosphere shows for some reason. I'd have loved to watch another dozen episodes, but the show seems to be ending next week, and I doubt it'll scrape together enough BD sales for another season. :(

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

Someone post the tweet about how BD sales make up like 15% of the profit for a series

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Erg posted:

Someone post the tweet about how BD sales make up like 15% of the profit for a series

You don't believe success in BD sales is a reflection of a show's overall popularity in relation to other anime, I take it.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

if an otaku show is selling awfully its merch probably isn't doing too well either

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

darkgray posted:

You don't believe success in BD sales is a reflection of a show's overall popularity in relation to other anime, I take it.

I was mostly just being annoying and picky about phrasing

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

And I mean in the off chance you didn't know that factoid, ta dah! You know it now

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Erg posted:

And I mean in the off chance you didn't know that factoid, ta dah! You know it now

If it helps, I checked the light novel sales log, and it doesn't seem like vol 2 made it into the top 50 on Oricon, which seems to indicate that the novel didn't even reach 5000 copies sold its first week, in spite of anime backing. Usually a title gets bumped enough to at least make a brief appearance in the top 30 when timed in mid-broadcast. The business is dying, though, with Narou-spawned titles taking over.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
finally what i was waiting for. the dejected chitose crushed by self-awareness. the goofy president revealing his perceptive wisdom. the studio that grew to love her. and the ganbatte at the end of it all

good ep

horriblePencilist
Oct 18, 2012

It's a Dirt Devil!
Get it?
I really thought Chiitose was gonna yell at the highschooler, so props to her for not doing that.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
for all of chitose's faults, her obliviousness, her laziness, her lack of empathy, she doesn't have an ounce of malice in her body

which is p loving impressive for an actor

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Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


i still love worst girl

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