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Football Outsiders is great when it's telling me what I want to hear about my team. Like right now it definitely feels like DVOA is spot on with its ratings.
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Iodised QQ posted:Because Eli throws the ball into the dirt when he even faces a lick of pressure. FO's top notch offensive line pass blocking grading is based off of sacks/dropbacks. That's it. It's loving terrible. Yeah FO does sacks only but the point still stands that Eli is one of the least pressured and least hit QBs in the league: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT Sure he fires ducks to avoid pressure but every single QB in the league does that too. Jeeze guys just be happy that our pass blocking is actually good compared to the rest of the league. I don't think they were nearly as bad as you or Febreeze are describing in most of the games this year outside the Packers and Redskins game. And even the Redskins game was a complete fall apart team effort. The real problem really is that there's just no ground game to speak of and any problems on offense kinda stem from that.
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Oct 21, 2016 06:32
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Oct 21, 2016 16:43
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Jesus Christ some of the poo poo people are making up in this Romo/Dak debate is embarrassingly stupid. Radio guy admits he's pulling stuff out of his rear end, but says he feels like Dak works harder than Romo ever did. In six games. That Romo was coddled by Jerry, and he was an underachiever. Let me help simplify the Romo/Dak debate: both are talented QBs, but one is coming back from yet another injury and the other is younger, more mobile, and not struggling with the offensive playcalls. All of that is true, as opposed to blue/silver bleeders vomiting up nonsense. God drat.
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Oct 21, 2016 16:48
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Shinjobi posted:Jesus Christ some of the poo poo people are making up in this Romo/Dak debate is embarrassingly stupid. The Romo/Dak debate should honestly factor in "we don't want our starting QB to be in a wheelchair the rest of his life." I'm honestly terrified that if Romo comes back he's going to end up paralyzed or forever hobbled.
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Oct 21, 2016 17:24
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axeil posted:end up paralyzed or forever hobbled. it can happen to any football player
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Oct 21, 2016 18:15
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Wentz is gonna slay the Vikings D this weekend, just watch. And then he will be back to holy status and champion of our heart.
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Oct 21, 2016 18:46
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AvesPKS posted:Well, his rookie year was also RG3's rookie year, and yeah the Redskins could definitely run the ball in 2012. His production dropped off every year after that, he's 27 and a physical runner, I'd compare him at least from a longevity standpoint to Marion Barber, so I think the team just figured he wasn't worth keeping around long term. It was a shame to see him go, but he was to me another patch on a lacking RB squad that has never really gotten back to a Portis/Betts/Cartwright level since Portis left. I think he massively benefited from the read option stuff as teams had to keep guessing between him or RG3. When they went away from that he was still pretty good behind the zone blocking scheme, but that changed under Gruden who also didn't run the ball as much and Morris also looked more indecisive at that point. Washington seems like an about average team that could trend to the good side of average if Cousins continues to improve his play. If they can fix their defensive line next offseason while not having their offense blown up (they need Docston to get over whatever the hell is going on with his achilles tendons so he can be ready to step in and replace whoever they end up losing next season) they could probably move into the actual "good" category, assuming Cousins continues to play decently well and doesn't price himself out of town asking for top tier quarterback money.
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Oct 21, 2016 19:16
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Levitate posted:Washington seems like an about average team that could trend to the good side of average if Cousins continues to improve his play. That's why they were my preseason pick to win the division. They seemed average and I thought everyone else was poo poo.
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Oct 21, 2016 19:30
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They 2013 and 2014 Redskins seasons were just brutal to watch from an entertainment standpoint so I'm just happy they have a team that can make most games competitive and can move the ball, even if sometimes it results in hilarious interceptions. There was nothing less fun than watching 2013-14 RG3 throw for 150 yards a game and like ten 3-and-outs per game.
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Oct 21, 2016 20:08
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Mind_Taker posted:They 2013 and 2014 Redskins seasons were just brutal to watch from an entertainment standpoint so I'm just happy they have a team that can make most games competitive and can move the ball, even if sometimes it results in hilarious interceptions. There was nothing less fun than watching 2013-14 RG3 throw for 150 yards a game and like ten 3-and-outs per game. and get utterly destroyed 5+ times per game
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Oct 21, 2016 20:45
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So this division has Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and John Mara in it not only are we the best division, we are the most blatantly evil. of course the only owner with a relatively clean record is Lurie, and the Eagles have no championships, so maybe being evil pays off
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Oct 21, 2016 21:46
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Febreeze posted:of course the only owner with a relatively clean record is Lurie, and the Eagles have no championships, so maybe being evil pays off Looked up this guy, since I'd never heard of him. Sounds like a decent person. He apparently tried to buy the Pats back in the day but they backed out. That could be some interesting alternate history to think about what would if Lurie bought the Pats instead of Kraft or if Orthwein had been able to moved the team to Saint Louis. Actually, now that I say that, but I bet it wouldn't be all that different. They're decent ownerships. It's not like the Pats would be Freaky Friday-ing with the Raiders or Browns or something.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:33
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axeil posted:The Romo/Dak debate should honestly factor in "we don't want our starting QB to be in a wheelchair the rest of his life." I'm honestly terrified that if Romo comes back he's going to end up paralyzed or forever hobbled. On the other hand, as long as he is OK that offense will be real scary with Romo and Dez
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Oct 21, 2016 23:08
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Just line Romo up at WR like he did that one time.
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Oct 22, 2016 02:10
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Febreeze posted:So this division has Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and John Mara in it All three actively employ wife beaters and so even under public pressure. I mean the Maras are old school families but I didn't think they were that old school
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Oct 22, 2016 04:31
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The Romo/Dak debate is simple - whoever looks better with the 1st team in practice should be the one playing. Don't put Romo out there till he's healthy and in a full groove. Dak is amazing and hopefully turns into a long term replacement for Romo, but Tony is the best QB the cowboys have ever had.
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Oct 22, 2016 17:27
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Doltos posted:All three actively employ wife beaters and so even under public pressure. Wait who on the Skins is a wife beater?
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Oct 22, 2016 17:48
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NattyBo posted:Wait who on the Skins is a wife beater? Junior Galette
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Oct 22, 2016 17:50
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Metapod posted:Junior Galette Huh, was not aware of that.
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Oct 22, 2016 17:58
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Mr. Nice! posted:Tony is the best QB the cowboys have ever had. huh? Is Football Outsiders ranking Romo over Aikman and Staubach now? Sorry if you are making a joke or something, but you seemed to state that without a hint of facetiousness.
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Oct 22, 2016 19:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:DANNY WHITE is the best QB the cowboys have ever had. Show me another QB that played all 4 downs.
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Oct 22, 2016 20:28
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Aikman had one (1) season where he threw for more than 19 touchdowns
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Oct 22, 2016 20:30
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NotWearingPants posted:huh? Is Football Outsiders ranking Romo over Aikman and Staubach now? It's not a joke. Romo is better than both. Even Aikman says Romo is better.
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Oct 22, 2016 20:43
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Romo could very well be the best QB the Cowboys ever had, but it's a point that will never get past the bottom line lunkhead fans. Whenever he was on fire, his team was subpar. At his best, he was the This doesn't make him special or anything. Look at Philip Rivers. There's just some guys that wind up being saddled with braindead FOs and mediocre teams for way too long.
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Oct 22, 2016 20:44
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When he goes to Denver and wins two Super Bowls in a row, then maybe people will give him credit. Maybe
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NattyBo posted:Huh, was not aware of that. He's only a redskin because like two weeks after the Saints gave him a big extension a video came out showing him whipping a woman with a belt during a brawl, so the Saints cut him, and the Skins immediately signed him because they're poo poo people made of poo poo and feeding on poo poo.
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NotWearingPants posted:huh? Is Football Outsiders ranking Romo over Aikman and Staubach now? I say that without a hint of irony. Antonio Ramiro Romo is the best QB to ever wear the star on the side of his helmet.
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Oct 23, 2016 03:26
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Shinjobi posted:Romo could very well be the best QB the Cowboys ever had, No.
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Oct 23, 2016 05:34
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Breaking news: Doltos is wrong
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Shinjobi posted:Jesus Christ some of the poo poo people are making up in this Romo/Dak debate is embarrassingly stupid. I had to turn this off after about a minute. Dude isn't even a normal ticket host and the other guy was just like...."I don't know man" Also I'm one of the few left on the start Romo wagon. Fight me.
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indigi posted:Aikman had one (1) season where he threw for more than 19 touchdowns Yeah cause he gave the ball to Emmit Smith all the time.
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Doltos posted:No. 
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davecrazy posted:Yeah cause he gave the ball to Emmit Smith all the time. yes, that's kind of the point. any decent starter could have done that.
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indigi posted:yes, that's kind of the point. any decent starter could have done that. Which is why they were able to make a Super Bowl with Bernie Kosar
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Maybe I'm just not in touch with Dallas local media, but literally every time I see the legacy of Romo mentioned in a national press, the commentator is almost tripping over himself to defend why Romo is The Best QB of All Time. I'll never understand the persecution complex that Dallas fans have WRT Romo. The media loves him.
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a new study bible! posted:Maybe I'm just not in touch with Dallas local media, but literally every time I see the legacy of Romo mentioned in a national press, the commentator is almost tripping over himself to defend why Romo is The Best QB of All Time. Are you kidding me? DFW hates him. Everyone just wants Aikman, Staubach, or trade for Peyton/Brady/Bo Jackson. The blue/silver bleeders think Romo is the worst QB to ever exist on earth.
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Doltos posted:No. Racist
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Oct 23, 2016 17:36
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Another victory for the best division in football, the NFC East.
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I believe that the Eagles will win today. Philly is back at home and Wentz can't miss.
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