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Crazy Ted posted:More likely that Donald's people told him to prep for such a question but he had not a single gently caress to give. Oh I'm sure someone on his campaign staff thought of it, but getting Trump to prepare for anything is probably a nightmare. He probably sees requiring preparation as a sign of weakness.
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Good by-round breakdown by the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-third-presidential-debate-scorecard/
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Lars Blitzer posted:Oh? Do tell. I kinda glossed over much of what the Cheeto McTinyhands-In-Chief was saying. He described cesarean section births as abortions. As nutso as that sounds, it is literally what the man said.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:04
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wait a minute, did hillary reveal our nuclear response time on live tv?
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Oct 20, 2016 06:08
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spit on my clit posted:wait a minute, did hillary reveal our nuclear response time on live tv? how would you even know if she did and who gives a poo poo
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Periodiko posted:how would you even know if she did Yeah, what am I thinking, this isn't the first time she's lied about something
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Oct 20, 2016 06:16
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The Assassination of the Coward Donald Trump by the Hero, Hillary Clinton.
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/788917471399014402 ah nevermind, she did it on twitter, too
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I honestly think that Hillary's best line of the night was when she said she had completely planned out the US Budget Because I can honestly believe and imagine her sitting at a table in her house painstakingly creating a balanced budget by hand because that is exactly the kind of person she's always sold herself as being.
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spit on my clit posted:https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/788917471399014402 I feel like that's something we already knew from Command and Control.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:39
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I actually thought Trump was more coherent and on message tonight when compared to the other debates. He said some reprehensible things, but that comes with the territory of being the GOP candidate for POTUS. It's damning with faint praise, but that was his best debate. Only problem was, I think that was clearly Clinton's best debate as well. In fact, I can't remember seeing a better debate performance in my life. Nailed every answer, knew exactly when and how to attack and when and how to sell her own message. There was no hesitating, she demonstrated her competency in every area of policy, and did a good job of communicating it to the audience. People talk about 2008 Obama, but I don't think his debate performances have ever been that strong. Think she might have walked over him tonight, to say nothing of an intellectual peon like trump.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:04
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Blurred posted:Only problem was, I think that was clearly Clinton's best debate as well. In fact, I can't remember seeing a better debate performance in my life. Nailed every answer, knew exactly when and how to attack and when and how to sell her own message. There was no hesitating, she demonstrated her competency in every area of policy, and did a good job of communicating it to the audience. People talk about 2008 Obama, but I don't think his debate performances have ever been that strong. Think she might have walked over him tonight, to say nothing of an intellectual peon like trump. I agree she did well, but let's not get carried away here. The purpose of the debate is to win the election (or increase your margin of victory, as the case may be) and on that point she could have done better, even if the debate club folks think she killed it.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:24
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Like she had a great opportunity to dunk on him about his billion-dollar loss (when he brought up the DOS spending a billion dollars on some bullshit or whatever he was talking about), and whiffed it. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the smackdown there, but it never came. She absolutely should have, during the Second Amendment talk, tied his stop-and-frisk comments around his neck and thrown him off the rhetorical bridge, but she missed it. Hillary just really doesn't do zingers unless they're prepared in advance, and while of course that means gently caress-all about her ability to be President it does make for a poorer candidate.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:31
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Jesus, I hope Trump's quip about keeping people in suspense over whether he will concede the election if he loses is just an empty threat. Though sometimes I wonder if Trump's not implying that his followers are going to start some poo poo, but if he's going to beg Putin to do something about it.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:39
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There's no upside to her attempting to use zingers, though, as she learned with "Trumped up trickle down." It was pretty clear Trump was going to lose the debate with or without her doing anything to make him lose. When he' s scoring own goals left and right who cares if she just runs out the clock? "Obama's deported so many people." "Nobody respects women more than I do." "Such a nasty woman." "I never criticized their looks." "I'll keep you in suspense." What upside do you see in her taking the risk of trying to do something elaborate when poo poo like that is pouring out of his mouth constantly? I also thought her doing her "boy who cried wolf," routine with the "rigged," claims was very effective. She was even able to poison the topic of the FBI investigation into her e-mails by tying it to all the other things he's claimed are "rigged." ErIog fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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spit on my clit posted:wait a minute, did hillary reveal our nuclear response time on live tv? well at least she revealed trump's nuclear response time on live tv lmao would really like to see trump try to referee a child's soccer game at this point without melting down
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Oct 20, 2016 07:43
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I would not be at all surprised if 'Trumped up, trickle down' was intended to be a lovely plastic response to signal that she's the status quo, stability candidate.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:45
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Star Man posted:Jesus, I hope Trump's quip about keeping people in suspense over whether he will concede the election if he loses is just an empty threat. Well...a threat is a kind of promise. So there's no reason to believe he'll follow through on it
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ErIog posted:There's no upside to her attempting to use zingers, though, as she learned with "Trumped up trickle down." It was pretty clear Trump was going to lose the debate with or without her doing anything to make him lose. On the other hand interjecting with "you're one to talk about losing a billion dollars, Donald" is burn-unit quality by Presidential debate standards, and the cognitive dissonance suffered by gun nuts everywhere as Hillary Goddamn Clinton goes to the mat for the 2nd Amendment and excoriates Donald Trump for nationwide stop-and-frisk is, all on its own, worth probably half a percent in the national margin from depressed turnout on the GOP side.
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ErIog posted:I also thought her doing her "boy who cried wolf," routine with the "rigged," claims was very effective. She was even able to poison the topic of the FBI investigation into her e-mails by tying it to all the other things he's claimed are "rigged." 
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Oct 20, 2016 07:48
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woke wedding drone posted:Well...a threat is a kind of promise. So there's no reason to believe he'll follow through on it I can see him challenging the results and whining about it like the gigantic baby that he is even if the recount shows that the only person in the world that voted for Donald was himself. The crazy, paranoid side of me is worried that he's trying to say that he's doing his best to rig the election or have someone else rig it for him.
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Kilroy posted:On the other hand interjecting with "you're one to talk about losing a billion dollars, Donald" is burn-unit quality by Presidential debate standards Your burn-unit quality zinger here has her deflecting a false claim about the State Department in a way that makes it sound like the State Department actually lost 6 billion dollars. As Trump has found out, saying "No you," makes the person saying it sound skeezy and guilty as hell. This is why Hillary didn't immediately go after the Trump Foundation when Trump said his "Clinton Foundation is a criminal enterprise," line. edit: vvv sorry for my late edit, your amended zinger is much better vvv ErIog fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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Oct 20, 2016 07:54
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ErIog posted:Your burn-unit quality zinger here has her deflecting a false claim about the State Department in a way that makes it sound like the State Department actually lost 6 billion dollars.
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Kilroy posted:Fine. "You're the only one on this stage that's lost a billion dollars, Donald." I didn't know how much substance there was to the accusation. I assume she does, so could craft a better response - either deflecting or shutting down outright, as appropriate. I personally think the $6 billion attack caught her off guard. I follow conservative media and even I didn't know what the hell he was talking about. When I looked it up it turned out that it was a willful misinterpretation of an IG report that came out 2 years ago. His claim that $6 billion was lost on her watch is categorically false, but the basis for it doesn't make her look good either since it points to people mismanaging paperwork in the department she ran. So her calling it out as false then pushing forward so as not to draw attention to it I think was her best option. As a debate watcher I understand your feeling, though. I mean, I hate Trump, but the fact that Trump put in such pathetic debate performances was incredibly annoying to watch. The painful part wasn't him falling for the bait every time so much as he also had no ability to score any points. It was like watching a little league game where one team is entirely outmatched, but you know it's only the first inning so... Hillary's debate performances were very good, but there were times where he just let her deflect and waltz around. It's like he has the short term memory of a goldfish. People were worried he'd Gish Gallop her, but it turned out she ended up Gish Galloping him by accident since he would get distracted by her deflections. "Honest Abe," was a great example. ErIog fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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Star Man posted:Jesus, I hope Trump's quip about keeping people in suspense over whether he will concede the election if he loses is just an empty threat. This all sounds funny and stuff but this is the same kind of personality that you will find in most dictators. It's the same type of logic that humans in positions of power use to justify murder and genocide, rigging elections, and yeah you get it by now. It's genuinely terrifying that a person like this is in the running for POTUS. He is absolutely the kind of ruler who under pressure could, given that he can see a way to blame the situation and his actions on other, respond by firing off a nuke if he thinks it will let him take back control of the situation into his hands. Bisse fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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This is a great article about why Hillary deserves more credit for her debate performances this cycle than she's been getting: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13340828/hillary-clinton-debate-trump-won I know it seems like she misses opportunities and like she could be doing better, but she's mostly just sticking to executing her strategy rather than making game time decisions.
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Oct 20, 2016 08:30
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quote:You can tell by the way Hillary had a prepared statement that was comprehensive and never mentioned Trump that she was anticipating that kind of question. I mean, our future President Knope probably preps those statements for fun. I like that we are transitioning from Cool Guy President to one of the nerdiest politicians this side of NerdTown. :  :
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Everyone gets that Hilary basically needs to use zingers very sparingly or large parts of the country will take the narrative she is a bitchy catty shrew, right? Society only has a couple stereotypes of how people think of leaders who are women and a lot of them aren't great and there is large numbers of people that don't take sick burns coming from women real well.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I would not be at all surprised if 'Trumped up, trickle down' was intended to be a lovely plastic response to signal that she's the status quo, stability candidate. That felt like Tim Kaine's literal sole contribution to debate prep. Kilroy posted:Yeah you're right she did get some good ones in, although I was especially disappointed she didn't bring up the stop-and-frisk poo poo. I'm a glass half-empty person, I guess, so I'll tend to notice the stuff she didn't do that I thought she should have, instead of the good stuff she did Stop and frisk is a dog whistle for racial profiling, something that conservative white people agree with.
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howe_sam posted:He described cesarean section births as abortions. As nutso as that sounds, it is literally what the man said. I think under the strictest definitions they are, in fact, abortions in that they do prematurely end the pregnancy. They just don't (usually) end with the death of the fetus. So he's only wrong by every commonly understood meaning, but correct in a uselessly pedantic sense.
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Someone posted this on facebook and I totally agree. "We'll see" is what parents say to their kids when they really mean "No".
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Who What Now posted:So he's only wrong by every commonly understood meaning, but correct in a uselessly pedantic sense. "Technically Correct" being, of course, the best way to be correct.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I would not be at all surprised if 'Trumped up, trickle down' was intended to be a lovely plastic response to signal that she's the status quo, stability candidate. 'Trumped up trickle down' would of been a better zinger for a campaign spokesperson rather than for Hillary herself. Hell, it'd work for Kaine in that 'lame dad joke' kind of way. I liked how during the debate Trump kept bringing up China's 7% growth rate. You know, the growth rate that's only ever released by party controlled state media with nothing of substance to actually verify it. Based on what's been going around the Chana Economics thread the last year or two that number is either super phony or it's a figure being propped up by a financial speculative bubble that would make the US's 2008 housing crisis look like baby's nap time. Everything that I've heard RE: China has been that their imports are way down and the government is basically feeding pension money to the gods of the stock market to keep their whole house of cards from collapsing.
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Oct 20, 2016 16:09
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Obama deported 3 million people. How many will Hillary deport
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Stallion Cabana posted:I honestly think that Hillary's best line of the night was when she said she had completely planned out the US Budget With a four-function calculator and multiple sharpened pencils at the ready.
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LeoMarr posted:Obama deported 3 million people. How many will Hillary deport about 310 million people
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Bisse posted:Trump is, if not a fascist, then at least an extreme narcissist even by american politics standards.
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Kilroy posted:"Trumped up trickle-down" is really obviously prepared food for the older crowd who tend to watch the debates more and love dumb jokes like that. It fell flat with everyone else but I can imagine a mid-fifties centrist Democrat in the suburbs thinking it's neat. Watched the first debate in a bar filled with mid-fifties centrist Democrats, they ate that poo poo up.
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I thought Hillary's response to the "can you say that you didn't let the Clinton foundation influence you when we clearly think it did??" question was weak but it was a bullshit question founded on misrepresentation of the facts so I guess it's probably not the worst thing that she just ignored that and didn't try to get into "no actually this is how it is..." I can also see how some people would feel Trump won because when he really gets going throwing out all the accusations and lies, half truths, and everything else it starts coming off as he's scoring points...but the problem is that it's all the same stuff he's said before and been fact checked on before.
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Levitate posted:I thought Hillary's response to the "can you say that you didn't let the Clinton foundation influence you when we clearly think it did??" question was weak but it was a bullshit question founded on misrepresentation of the facts so I guess it's probably not the worst thing that she just ignored that and didn't try to get into "no actually this is how it is..." As an answer to the question, it was terrible. As a pivot that somehow managed to turn a question about her foundation into trump ranting about russia, it was loving incredible and I'm still a little surprised she pulled it off so well.
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