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I said come in! posted:Totally serious question, but what about Thor and his world, Asgard? They say in Thor that the Asgardians are aliens and use advanced technology that seems like magic to humans, but is not.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They say in Thor that the Asgardians are aliens and use advanced technology that seems like magic to humans, but is not. Okay that's fair, I can buy that explanation.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They say in Thor that the Asgardians are aliens and use advanced technology that seems like magic to humans, but is not. Exactly - thank you. I think the line in the movie goes: "Your ancestors called it magic...but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same." Here's some more news that I've found - apparently there's already talk of a sequel and if there is - it'll focus more on the villains: James Hunt from Den of Geek posted:Doctor Strange director Scott Derrickson has confirmed to us that he has plans for a sequel, saying "I love the character, I love the visual possibilities, and I know the comics so well - [the first movie is] the tip of an iceberg. There's so much progress that can be made." Source: http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/...s#ixzz4O6mB1vXu
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Oct 25, 2016 15:47
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Isn't Scarlet Witch magic? I mean, she has 'witch' in her name ...
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Oct 25, 2016 16:03
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well why not posted:Isn't Scarlet Witch magic? I mean, she has 'witch' in her name ... She got her powers from a science experiment with an infinity gem. She's psychic, but not magic. In the comics she is a mutant. So, weirdly, she has always been a witch, but not actually magic.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:04
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Just saw this, I had a lot of fun, it's well served by IMAX and 3D. Mads is I'd say slightly underused; he's very definitely in the movie, but I wouldn't have objected to a little more of him. Virtually every villain in the MCU seems to come about the same way, "I was a good guy, but X happened and now I'm bad": this movie does it twice. They wisely didn't give Scott Adkins any lines. Tilda is great. Rachael McAdams doesn't have much to do. Chiwetel, who I usually don't care for, was good. Visually easy to follow, even when all the tripping-balls-Inception-meets-The-Matrix stuff is happening. This is in my top 3 MCU movies, I think, with GotG and Civil War..
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Oct 25, 2016 18:12
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Just back from seeing it. They turned the Ditkometer up on the visuals. The trippy magic scenes look fantastic. Also the ending is both amazing visually, and pretty drat funny. I normally don't like Cumberbatch, but he was the perfect choice for Strange.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:53
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Unlike a lot of Marvel movies, this has a third act that really gets off to the races. It's a shame that the first two acts aren't quite as strong as it's more or less a redux of IRON MAN. However, given that they're clearly pivoting Strange into Stark's role going forward it makes sense. The villain is a little thin, as to be expected but his motives more or less make sense. What I will say though is that this should definitely be seen in 3D. The whole back half of the movie was a visual feast, and some of those amazingly trippy visuals look gorgeous in that format. Also, thankfully, there's so little link to any of the MCU. The Avengers get mentioned exactly once in sort of a flippant way. DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 22:11
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Just saw this. It's really great. The CGI guys went to TOWN on the visuals, and it really worked. A worthy addition to the MCU, good performances all round. Also, there is a fairly hefty link to the MCU toward the end. I won't spoil it, but saying "so little" links is a bit off. Most of it is very seperate though, and it's a good thing. It does it's own thing and holds it up very well. Some good jokes too!
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Oct 25, 2016 22:18
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AirRaid posted:Just saw this. Yes I avoided one instance, I just meant little shoehorning in of other characters or anything.
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Oct 25, 2016 22:21
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For those who have seen and loved it, can you go into a little more detail about the visuals? They're the part that has me most curious, but all the descriptions I've seen so far tend to be pretty high-level
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Oct 25, 2016 23:08
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Jenny Angel posted:For those who have seen and loved it, can you go into a little more detail about the visuals? They're the part that has me most curious, but all the descriptions I've seen so far tend to be pretty high-level Imagine putting the world into a kaleidoscope, and then turning it on it's head, and then putting THAT through another kaleidoscope. It's the world-bending of Inception turned up to eleven and then multiplied by about 35. But it all looks like it's following rules, very little is random, there's a pattern and it makes it look so convincing.
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Oct 25, 2016 23:24
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AirRaid posted:Imagine putting the world into a kaleidoscope, and then turning it on it's head, and then putting THAT through another kaleidoscope. It's the world-bending of Inception turned up to eleven and then multiplied by about 35. But it all looks like it's following rules, very little is random, there's a pattern and it makes it look so convincing. Why the kaleidoscope visual? Are they opening new dimensions into the one they're currently in? rebuilding time?Is there a particular reason why it looks the way it does? It was definitely a cool visual the first time I saw it.
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Oct 25, 2016 23:44
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For those who saw it: do they use the Marvel Cinematic Universe studio fanfare? (this thing)?
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Oct 25, 2016 23:44
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AirRaid posted:Imagine putting the world into a kaleidoscope, and then turning it on it's head, and then putting THAT through another kaleidoscope. It's the world-bending of Inception turned up to eleven and then multiplied by about 35. But it all looks like it's following rules, very little is random, there's a pattern and it makes it look so convincing. Okay so if I get two kaleidoscopes & a dvd copy of the Matrix im good?
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Oct 25, 2016 23:57
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So how trippy and unconventional are the story and themes, to match the movie's visuals?
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Oct 26, 2016 00:51
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So how trippy and unconventional are the story and themes, to match the movie's visuals? The first half is basically a reboot of Iron Man 1. Very similar plot beats. The script in terms of plot beats is workmanlike, but nothing special. (Iron Man 1 worked, but was a fairly standard origin story format. Same with Strange) The script in terms of dialogue is very good. Strange is probably going to be the #2 most popular MCU character behind Tony.
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Oct 26, 2016 01:12
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Torquemada posted:They wisely didn't give Scott Adkins any lines. I think this person is Scott Adsit every time I read the name and now I wish that Pete Hornberger could be part of the MCU. Also, uh...what's the after-credits scene?
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Oct 26, 2016 02:00
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I think Cumberbatch's Dr. Strange could easily replace RDJ or Chris Evans as the MCU frontman.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:07
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Mameluke posted:I think this person is Scott Adsit every time I read the name and now I wish that Pete Hornberger could be part of the MCU. Scott Adsit is in Big Hero 6, a Marvel film, which sort of makes him a part of the MCU. There are two after credits scenes. One is a lead in to Thor 3: In the first scene, we see Doctor Strange meeting Thor, offering him a self-refilling glass of beer and asking why Loki is in New York – he explains he knows this because he keeps a watchlist of threats, and that Loki is one of them. Thor tells Strange that Loki and he are looking for their father, Odin, and Strange offers to help him. The second one is after the ending of Strange (very minor spoiler) Baron Mordo cripples a guy and it hints that he is going to become evil.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:08
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Jenny Angel posted:For those who have seen and loved it, can you go into a little more detail about the visuals? They're the part that has me most curious, but all the descriptions I've seen so far tend to be pretty high-level Other people have hit it but it's partly Inception run through a kaleidescope. Patterns is a running theme through the movie and that extends through to what they do with the world. So if INCEPTION is you folding a piece of paper once, DR STRANGE has it being folded over and over. It's definitely less quippy than other Marvel stuff. There are jokes in it, but they feel more natural to me than they did in the past.
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Oct 26, 2016 08:16
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i really enjoyed this film. some of the coolest visuals i've even seen. cumberbatch was great but my favourite character by far was the cloak. hell yeah.
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Oct 26, 2016 09:12
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Scott Adsit is in Big Hero 6, a Marvel film, which sort of makes him a part of the MCU. You missed an important part of the first scene. Strange agrees to help find Odin on the condition that the Asgardians never return to Earth. Thor agrees.
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Oct 26, 2016 09:38
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This movie, while good overall, kept the very tired irritating tropes I hoped they would not use, namely that magic can do anything except fix a Harsh Reality of Life That We're Taught To Accept. Magic can teleport you vast distances, stop bullets, reverse time, conjure beer, and blow poo poo up, but it can't fix crippling injuries because that's a Harsh Reality of Life That We're Taught To Accept. Ancient One, you stupid bitch, the reason Strange can't draw his sparky circle is that he has crippled hands, not lack of motivation! Just heal his loving hands! What do you think stranding him on Mt Everest is going to do? This is this definitely going to show up in a How It Should Have Ended vid on YouTube. Another annoying trope is that the Most Important Truth of All is some commonsense stuff that our mothers taught us when we were seven years old, such as humility or love conquering all or some other bullshit. On the plus side, the film did its best to distance Marvel sorcerers from Harry Potter wizards. The mirror universe fights were definitely the one thing J. K. Rowling did not do. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 13:40
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Question for those who have seen it: do they use common spells and phrases that they use in the comics? I.e. "By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!" or "By the Eye of Agamotto!"
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Oct 26, 2016 13:52
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None. No Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or anything familiar. They were really determined to distance Strange from Harry Potter, so no magic words whatsoever. They did mention a few magic items like the Wand of Watoomb, and Strange immediately made fun of their names.
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Oct 26, 2016 13:54
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Rachel McAdams is in this movie. Was really hoping the thread title was going to be "Boo, you hoary hosts of Hoggoth".
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Oct 26, 2016 14:20
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Lovechop posted:i really enjoyed this film. some of the coolest visuals i've even seen. cumberbatch was great but my favourite character by far was the cloak. hell yeah.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:34
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Kurzon posted:None. No Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or anything familiar. They were really determined to distance Strange from Harry Potter, so no magic words whatsoever. They did mention a few magic items like the Wand of Watoomb, and Strange immediately made fun of their names. I wonder if Cytorrak might be caught up in a rights dispute, since it is also the demon (or whatever) that traditionally powers Juggernaut.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:53
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Kurzon posted:None. No Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or anything familiar. They were really determined to distance Strange from Harry Potter, so no magic words whatsoever. They did mention a few magic items like the Wand of Watoomb, and Strange immediately made fun of their names. Bummer. 
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Oct 26, 2016 15:37
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That's not a bummer that's an honest relief. Some things just aren't going to translate well and I can't imagine brand-new-magician-and-recently-unemployed-surgeon Dr Strange yelling that kind of poo poo. It''d be like introducing Life Model Decoys, Skrulls, and dozens of evil clones into Black Panther. Keep that poo poo out of the MCU.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:08
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Disney is just keeping their options open to merge the Harry Potter and Marvel cinematic universes down the road.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:10
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judging by how anal marvel is about dr. strange retaining his hand gestures in even videogames (they were really into this for his MVC3 appearance) I'm curious if cumberbatch emulates those movements with his fingers to a fine point in this.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:16
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MinibarMatchman posted:judging by how anal marvel is about dr. strange retaining his hand gestures in even videogames (they were really into this for his MVC3 appearance) I'm curious if cumberbatch emulates those movements with his fingers to a fine point in this. He does. It's a plot point that he can't at first.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:29
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Rough Lobster posted:That's not a bummer that's an honest relief. Some things just aren't going to translate well and I can't imagine brand-new-magician-and-recently-unemployed-surgeon Dr Strange yelling that kind of poo poo. How are those remotely the same thing? I don't understand how those phrases are any more ridiculous than a man in a flying iron suit, an alien god with a hammer, or a gamma radiated monster. All of those translated well on film, so I don't really see how those phrases wouldn't translate today. Dr. Strange uses the phrases all the time in the comic to conjure spells. Also, they already have introduced Life Model Decoys into the MCU if you count what they're currently doing on Agents of Shield.
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Jonny_Rocket posted:How are those remotely the same thing? I don't understand how those phrases are any more ridiculous than a man in a flying iron suit, an alien god with a hammer, or a gamma radiated monster. All of those translated well on film, so I don't really see how those phrases wouldn't translate today. Dr. Strange uses the phrases all the time in the comic to conjure spells. I don't really think it's that much of an issue. It's clearly a mixture of what you do with your hands and what you're willing to happen than saying spells out loud. And I will say that some of that stuff IS ridiculous said out loud. Even hearing people say "The Dark dimension" too many times got a bit chucklesome.
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Jonny_Rocket posted:How are those remotely the same thing? I don't understand how those phrases are any more ridiculous than a man in a flying iron suit, an alien god with a hammer, or a gamma radiated monster. All of those translated well on film, so I don't really see how those phrases wouldn't translate today. Dr. Strange uses the phrases all the time in the comic to conjure spells.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:52
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Kurzon posted:Like I said, I think they wanted to distance Doctor Strange from the Harry Potter movies, what with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them coming out in a few weeks. Not only do they not use magic words, they don't even directly attack each other with spells. Rather, they use martial arts, with conjured melee weapons made out of sparks (whips, fans, ghostly spears, etc.). That makes sense from that perspective. It still sounds really cool visually, so I'm cautiously excited
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Oct 26, 2016 18:58
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Even by the end of the movie, Strange's hands aren't healed. It's as if the movie treats his crippled hands as Strange's Uncle Ben - they have to stay crippled otherwise the character is ruined. I think he should have healed hands but decides to stay a sorcerer because it is much more fun and productive. The story is fun but pretty predictable. The only remarkable thing this movie has is the Inception-y battles.
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As far as I know, the explanation for a lot of characters not healing their scars and injuries in the Marvel universe(s) are mental blocks. Like if the character just can't imagine being healed then they can't be healed.
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