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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
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So how trippy and unconventional are the story and themes, to match the movie's visuals?

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 26, 2016

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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Jonny_Rocket posted:

Doctor Strange is a character that only comic book fans know well. He's not really a well known character in the general public, much like Iron Man or Ant-Man.

One big piece you're missing is the character's growth - sure, his journey might be similar to Iron Man (an arrogant, rich jerk learns humility and gains wisdom from personal tragedy) - but it's still important, and it's not something you can convey over a montage. Also, keep in mind, this is the first instance of magic within the MCU - essentially, we (as the audience) are discovering this whole new side of the Marvel Universe, including parallel dimensions, monsters, etc along with Steven Strange. It makes complete sense to me.

So it's impossible to show character development over a montage, and introducing a concept as such as "magic" into a fantastical world of superheroes and aliens is somehow a difficult task. You make it seem like the MCU is regressing storytelling. Obviously it's not, it's just running in place.

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Oct 28, 2016

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

"Magic" is a wayyyyyy too vague and ambiguous super power for a protagonist to have without a pretty thorough explanation on the extent and limitations of their abilities and you can't really do that in a montage. You might be able to do it for someone who was a lovely wizard with severe limitations (like Harry Dresden) but you can't do it for someone as powerful as Dr Strange.

The MCU has always operated by limitless plot devices and powers indistinguishable from magic. The only thing that magic being "too vague" causes is that audiences might wonder a bit what a character can do and cannot do, which is really irrelevant unless you're really afraid of having to answer questions from your non-comic reading SO or something.


Jonny_Rocket posted:

Also, how is the MCU "running in place" when it's just setting up an important character moving forward? If there's one thing the Marvel Cinematic Universe is good at, it's developing and establishing their main characters in their own movies so that when it comes to crossovers (like the Avengers) or sequels (like Civil War), you're more invested in the individual characters.

Characters and universes are just tools for storytelling. Being invested in characters is just being invested in their stories, but the MCU story has been pretty paltry. We're still awaiting the climax of Thanos maybe trying to conquer the Earth or the universe. Despite the many hours spent in this world, it's turned out pretty ho-hum. Like GotG introduces mountain-sized world-destroying space gods into the universe, but they're relegated to a short cameo. Bucky is cardboard compared to that. There's that adage that stories should be about the most interesting time in a character's life. Maybe in the case of the MCU, the story should be about the most interesting part of the universe. There's mountain-sized space gods, but they're telling a story about Bucky Barnes. Does Doctor Strange finally get around to telling a story with mountain-sized space gods?

BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Oct 29, 2016

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
You're debating timeline continuity in a movie about mind-bending magic and other dimensions.

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