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Not sure why it's a surprise that a calculation that looks at stats would be down on Wiggins. He's had 2 somewhat disappointing seasons by the numbers.
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Lockback posted:I think that's the complaint, if the system is blindly just looking at numbers are saying Wiggins is a total bust (they didn't quite say that, but they certainly talked around it), but if you don't account that a guy was carrying a huge workload on a pretty bad/young team as an indicator he might be better than his pure efficiency stats seems kinda dumb to me. A lot of people who watched him thought he was better than "maybe not as good as James Posey" but 538 seems to really like to use him as a bad example for some reason. I think you are right about the CARMELO system being pretty dumb. But I'm also not so sure you can look at Wiggins' stats and project that he's going to be good. He looks like a player that's going to be good, but that's a bit different. Edit: By good I mean All-NBA good like he was projected to be out of college. His stats look like borderline all-star to me. My point is that the eye test suggests he will be better than that. Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Otto has 17% USG (really low), 63% of his shots are assisted (thanks John Wall), and has a TS% of 61% (really good) It's sorta like how Tyson Chandler and DeAndre always have really high ORtg
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Nov 16, 2016 16:04
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Paul Zuvella posted:What do you mean "what happened". He was a bad offensive player last year and now he is a bad offensive player with a 20% usage, so he looks even worse. Riley probably asked him to take a paycut and/or insulted his friends and family
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Nov 16, 2016 16:32
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Paul Zuvella posted:I will say that I don't think Winslow's usage is necessarily a bad thing. The Heat were always going to be a bad team this year after losing Wade and Bosh so they might as well trial by fire their way to see if Winslow can go from a 'really bad' offensive player to an "ok" one, which will determine if he spends his career as a defensive specialist role player or a real player you can build around. It's also a great way to stealth tank. Here's my favorite stealth tanking strategies in order. 1. Leave a big hole in the depth chart - claim there's no value in the market or that you want to try JJ Hickson as a small ball 5 2. Try a SG or a SF at PG - if it works then you have the next Giannis, if it doesn't you still lost a lot of games (Olapido) 3. Rookie head coach - preferably a player that just retired so he will be extra bad 4. Make a 3rd option guy your 1st option - like Winslow or Nick Young
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Nov 16, 2016 17:05
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Kibner posted:Ahh, good ol' DDD - Dollar Discount Durant. Harden ----> Kevin Martin Durant ----> Rudy Gay Westbrook ---> Derrick Rose?
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Nov 17, 2016 17:50
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Pop also thought threes weren't worth shooting and Bruce Bowen should be in the league, he's not infallible
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Nov 18, 2016 17:46
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Libertine posted:I'll be honest I'm pretty cynical about the years of Cousins trade rumors because what would they get for him that would be comparable in a deal? If it's another center it's probably a downgrade from Cousins who is probably the legit best one in the league. If it's some other swap of players or players plus picks then it just adds depth to their other positions while leaving a gaping hope in the post. One thing to keep in mind is that I think the new cap really expands the number of teams cousins can sign with in two years. So teams might not be as willing to part with assets next year if boogie might bolt. So the Kings might have to choose between a good package this year or a mediocre one next year.
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Nov 20, 2016 17:46
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Kibner posted:FYI, Turner is on pace to have the worst net rating of all time. Now, is the problem his teammates (sometimes, kinda) or him (vastly yes)? Almost everyone on Portland is struggling. Ed Davis' PER is 7.2, his career PER is 17. Aminu looks awful as a small ball 4. Meyers Leonard somehow has a worse BPM than Evan Turner. Vonleh doesn't look like he even belongs in the league. And CJ and Lillard are as bad as ever on defense.
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Nov 21, 2016 20:09
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Tae posted:Small subtle things that I hear from podcasts: Mostly correct. Other than it being Mason not Miles. Also Aminu has only been out for 3 games I think, but he was really bad before that as well, especially defensively and on the glass. And Evan Turner is going to play even when Aminu is healthy, because Portland needs him to at least be a solid bench player for them.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:12
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Kings are unlucky in that they didn't get a top 3 pick to waste on Derrick Williams, Waiters, Anthony Bennett, or Evan Turner. We all know that's what would've happened. In all seriousness the Kings are really unlucky cuz normally bad ownership is rewarded in the NBA. Like how the Sterling Clippers got CP3, the Knicks got Porzingis, Chicago got Thibs and Rose and company, etc.
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Nov 22, 2016 00:42
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Paul Zuvella posted:I really like how people treat Noel like he is some amazing asset. Maybe Orlando just wants to complete the trifecta of tall and skinny shot blockers? Ever think about that?
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Nov 22, 2016 17:32
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Hand Row posted:Jabari Parker is turning out to be a very different player than I was expecting. I wasn't expecting him to be so physical and explosive. I mean the dude almost knocked himself out hitting his head on the rim on a dunk. Not sure who an apt comparison would be. Blake Griffin? This just reminded me that the Bucks could've had Embiid. Imagine getting past Giannis and Middleton only to run into The Process.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:08
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straight up brolic posted:zach lowe's cognitive dissonance must be on steroids considering that he pumped up dame as the greatest leader in the NBA while ragging on harden as a one way player Harden could be a better endowed Scottie Pippen on defense and he would still be a little bitch. Clyde Drexler's hair was a better leader than James Harden.
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Nov 23, 2016 17:31
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Vernon Maxwell's right hook was a better leader than Harden
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Nov 23, 2016 17:32
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The only reason Portland was able to sign Ezeli is because his knees are hosed. His signing was a hail mary attempt by the Blazers. No one should be counting on him to get healthy. Crabbe is getting paid too much but when was the last time a team regretted keeping an RFA? Turner is a bad player and not what the Blazers need, but he still probably would've gotten $60m/4 if the Blazers didn't offer him $70m/4
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Kibner posted:Pels with Eric Gordon. True, but if he had been healthy they would've been happy. Tae posted:Brooklyn with Gerald Wallace He wasn't an RFA.
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Pro click from reddit - father and son NBA duos https://imgur.com/a/qLAIC
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WhyteRyce posted:This is Zach Lowe's typical argument. He made the same argument regarding JaVale McGee and praised the Nuggets for spinning off Nene for a young asset which they locked up. It's a pretty reasonable argument though. I remember people complaining about Hayward, Batum, Kanter and others but all of those worked out pretty well. Javale is probably the most recent example of a team re-signing a player after his rookie deal ends and regretting it. Tho Javale signed an extension, but that's pretty close to the same thing. I would go as far to say that teams rarely regret extending players coming off their rookie deals. Though Portland could always be the exception. They were in a tough spot with Crabbe because they were capped out and the Nets offered a ton of money because they are in desperate need of young talent. Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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R.D. Mangles posted:here's an example of trash defense jordan played against: Are the celtics the only team to put a white guy on Jordan and win a series? Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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Nov 26, 2016 02:35
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Paul Zuvella posted:I could actually see this happening. A first and crabbes bad contract for Nerlens. God I hope that's not the deal. Portland will probably hold out for Ezeli to get healthy a bit longer and also Leonard, Crabbe and Harkless can't be moved until Jan 14th. If things don't get better by then everyone except Lillard is available.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Ezeli might have long term problems with his knee. Yeah I know, but Portland will wait a little longer. You gotta at least wait for the powerball drawing before buying a ticket to the next powerball. Paul Zuvella posted:It's been a month and Portland already desperately needs to get out of either the Crabbe or Turner deal. Even if the team is playing slightly better, this fact will not change. Neither player can be traded right now. Most teams try to avoid selling low if they can help it and dumping either player prior to the trade deadline would be selling at the lowest of lows. Also while Portland has a ton of salary committed but they are only $7m in the tax this year and aren't repeat offenders. And finally the Blazers have had a tough schedule so far and are still in the playoff race. All those factors mean they are going to wait. On the bright side Turner has looked a little better with 13.8/3/3 on 50% shooting last 5 games.
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Since my last couple Blazers posts were somewhat optimistic, I feel like I should add that their defense is making me very worried about the future of a Lillard and McCollum backcourt. If things don't improve I think McCollum is going to be shopped pretty hard. Out of the 125 guards that meet the MP/G leaderboard this season, Lillard, McCollum and Crabbe are 3 of the 6 with 0 defensive win shares (Swaggy P, Bojan and Afflalo are the other 3). And in DBPM And Crabbe is 89th, CJ is 107th and Lillard 117th.
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Nov 28, 2016 18:27
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E2M2 posted:Bad East teams make the playoffs, giving them non-lottery draft picks, and the cycle continues. Also the really bad teams in the East see how easy it would be to make the playoffs so they do stuff like sign Greg Monroe or trade for Bargnani. The Kings missed the perfect chance to turn their franchise around when the Maloofs sold. If Vivek would've shown some basic front office competence and spent some money on better facilities and capabilities like Paul Allen or Steve Ballmer did I think he could've changed how people in the league think of Sacramento. Instead he focused on robot customer service and 4 on 5 defense.
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WhyteRyce posted:Facilities and non-basketball operations have actually been really outstanding. Even at the old arena they spent money to revamp things. But no one cares if the restaurant has a great decor and amazing service if the steak you ordered is burnt to a crisp But all of that was overshadowed by bad drafting, bad trades, bad coaches, and dumb quotes from Vivek.
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Metapod posted:E: read it wrong but basically the cap rising the way it did was predicted by no one and they made a choice between serge and Barqs OKC offered $54m, Harden wanted like $56m or something and ended up getting $60m out of Houston.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:37
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Lockback posted:Harden wanted a Max from OKC, which is fine and what he deserved but he wasn't willing to take any pay cut. I was pretty sure he said he was willing to take like $56m to be a team player. So like $1m a season difference. In other words OKC chose to pay Ryan Gomes over Harden.
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Mandrel posted:Nope. It was max or nothing. Ibaka and Russ both left money on the table to account for Harden to be offered as much as he was. Looks like you were right. Thunder offered $56m, Harden wanted $60m. And the Thunder needed that $4m to rig bids for oil leases so they had to let him go.
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As much as I support the Process, Hinkie didn't really do anything to justify his "disrupter" label. He just tanked really hard because the 76ers were really really bad, had no assets, the ping pong balls didn't go their way and none of their picks blossomed. Can anyone think of something crazy that Hinkie did as GM? Edit: For example I think Pritchard's 2006 draft day trades for Roy and Aldridge were crazier and more unheard of at the time than anything Hinkie did. Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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euphronius posted:It was "crazy" thing for an NBA gm to do. Trade your young talent for a pick in the future ??? You are supposed to be building that talent. MCW was a bad 23 year old PG that couldn't shoot and the pick was probably the 3rd most valuable future pick traded in the past 10 years (after the Nets 2 picks) Similarly Evan Turner was 25 when he was traded. If those players had been Favors and Giannis (two players from those drafts that took a long time to develop but were drafted really young), Hinkie would've probably held onto them and tanked with them and built around them.
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Lockback posted:Rolling young players into future assets was legit unique. Most NBA fans aren't like us, so the idea of boiling every player down into a current/future salary weighted asset and then acting on it is very unique. Hinkie also completely doubled down into the "make any trade that brings you ahead asset wise, forget about fit" mentality. Other teams may have done that to an extent, but no team that I can think of did that for multiple seasons. True. I guess I see a lot of Hinkie's decisions as pretty standard NBA GM decisions that he was more or less forced into because the 76ers were a historically bad team with less of a future than a reality TV show starring Tim Duncan.
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euphronius posted:He made them "historically" bad. That's the whole point . I was talking about before he got there. My argument is that if Morey or Presti would've been dealt that hand and ended up with Turner and Jrue and then MCW and Noel they would've done very similar things. I think other good GMs like Olshey, Myers or Buford might've done the same. And if Hinkie would've had some young talent or hit a home run drafting he would've acted more like say Presti at OKC. But maybe I'm underestimating Hinkie.
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Would Cuban blow it up if Dallas is on track to miss the playoffs? I'm guessing they would keep Dirk. But Deron, Bogut, Devin Harris and maybe even Matthews might get some looks from playoff teams. A couple picks or young players could help Dallas rebuild around a core of Harrison Barnes and Dwight Powell (lol)
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Eltoasto posted:Oh good, maybe the Pacers and Pistons can have a giant brawl on that night. They should bring back 2 players from each rivalry to fight during half time. Buck Williams vs Rodman Artest vs Ben Wallace
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Noctone posted:I wonder if that dude looks back on that moment like it was a brush with death. If O'Neal hadn't slipped as he threw the punch... He probably tells people he would've taken it on the chin and roundhoused O'Neal in the face
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I feel bad that NOP didn't get to see the best from Eric Gordon. Though now that he's on the Rockets I look forward to him and Harden fueding.
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straight up brolic posted:Bruce Bowen is a much more Machiavellian, intelligent brand of dirty than Draymond. His dirtiness always seemed like a calculated ploy to give the Spurs an edge. Draymond is reactionary and emotionally dirty in a way that is p unprecedented, maybe Sheed as the light-hearted version? Draymond is the basketball version of Luis Suarez
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Is Javale just not the same since his injury? Or did his defensive stats just look good because he was playing on a pretty good Denver team? I know he was never amazing, but he looked like an average starter to me and now he's barely playing.
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Spacebump posted:JaVale couldn't get minutes over a 29 year old rookie by the end of last season. That was on a team that desperately needed rim protection. To really highlight it the Mavs did better with old Dirk playing defense at the center position. It's just weird for a guy that was an above replacement center for his first 5 season in the league to go to poo poo at the age of 26.
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No one mentioned that Klay had 2 rebounds, 1 assist , 0 blocks, 0 steals, 0 fouls and 0 turnovers to go with his 60 points. Which means if we are going by counting stats he managed beat Kobe's 61 point, 0 rebound, 3 assist, 0 steal, 1 block, 2 turnover, 1 foul game against the Knicks. Will we ever see a 60/0/0/0/0/0/0 game?
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