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haha owned im just gonna talk about the dutch elections (but if you write a post about your country's idiot party ill put it in the op) election date: march 15th The choices *VVD* (european liberals)  Leader: Mark Rutte, current PM US equivalent: Paul Ryan Who are they: love the free market, hate paid parking *PvdA* (labour)  Leader: probably Lodewijk Asscher US equivalent: Hillary Clinton Who are they: weaksauce third-way liberals *PVV* (Wilders' Wild We're Not Racist party)  Leader: Geert Wilders US equivalent: louie Gohmert Who are they: Just really hate muslims, thats it *CDA* (centrist Christians)  leader: Sybrand van Haersma-Buma US equivalent: cold hotdog Who are they: boring *SP* (socialists)  Leader: Emile Roemer US equivalent: fatter, less jewish Bernie Sanders Who are they: 'socialists' focusing on capitalism with more cushions *GL* (greens)  Leader: Jesse Klaver US equivalent: younger, less jewish Bernie Sanders Who are they: i used to work for them and they've got some good progressive policies but are willing to throw it all out the window for a windmill *D66* (libdem)  leader: Alexander Pechtold US equivalent: Cory Booker Who are they: love the eu, mostly focused on such important issues as tramstops giving free wifi and reorganizing the provinces *CU* (christians)  leader: Arie Slob US equivalent: every single democrat who are they: sort of leftish 'we need to preserve the earth for god' environmentalism, but very conservative wrt social issues *SGP* (far-right christians)  Leader: Kees van der Staaij US equivalent: ted Cruz Who are they: congrats to the SGP for allowing women on their ballots for the first time ever! their website still isnt available on sundays though, masha'allah *PvdD* (animal rights party)  Leader: Marianne Thieme US equivalent: Dennis Kucinich Who are they: congrats to my retard nation that the only real party with a female leader is this pile of garbage *50+* (babyboomers)  Leader: Henk Krol US equivalent: probably everyone who are they: it's a party defending the rights of baby boomers and maybe even worse than that implies *VNL* and *Forum voor Democratie* (more pragmatically racist than Wilders)  and  leaders: Thierry Baudet and Jan Roos US equivalent: freedom caucus Who are they: after Wilders pretty much hosed up his chances to ever govern again these two decided to bring some much-needed racism into government *Pirate Party*  leader: Ancilla Tilia Who are they: not a serious party
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im probably going to vote labour for the first time in my life which means i can and should be euthanized
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Sai posted:*PVV* (Wilders' Wild We're Not Racist party) plz do not doxx me
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Sai posted:haha owned im just gonna talk about the dutch elections (but if you write a post about your country's idiot party ill put it in the op)  check out sex tape and past
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Oct 28, 2016 14:37
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dutchland is going to be eaten alive by one of the followings a) Merkelian Union of Federal Europa b) Troisième Empire of Le Pen first of her name c) the sea
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Oct 28, 2016 15:29
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Klaver or Pechtold here most likely
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Oct 28, 2016 17:58
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Sai posted:im probably going to vote labour for the first time in my life which means i can and should be euthanized Vote SP to repent for your sins of working for GL.
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Oct 28, 2016 18:03
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Orange Devil posted:Vote SP to repent for your sins of working for GL. sp is bad!!!! its bad!! garbage!!!! dumb!!!! roemer is fat!!!!!!!! all sp voters drive ugly cars!!!! bad!!!!!
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Oct 28, 2016 19:06
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Strasser is going to win.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:54
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I will never forgive GL for agreeing with the student debt introduction. That only leaves SP as actual leftist party, besides the animal one.
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Oct 28, 2016 19:55
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as an SP voter: the SP SUCKS rear end!!! THEy're dumb and bad!!
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Oct 28, 2016 19:55
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Oct 28, 2016 19:57
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Osmosisch posted:I will never forgive GL for agreeing with the student debt introduction. That only leaves SP as actual leftist party, besides the animal one. id sign a deal with the vvd anytime to drown them all in the ijsselmeer for a five cent minimum wage increase
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Oct 28, 2016 20:57
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i havent checked the numbers but from the top of my head its gone from 96% white upper class kids to 96,2% white upper class kids under the new system well jeez this is really bad lets vote for the n#1 party thats all about dumb poo poo that only affects people from het gooi, Alexander take it away
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Oct 28, 2016 20:59
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Sai posted:if we had a two party system GL would be good but as it is there will always be compromises and the party doesnt care about the things i like in the platform so id rather vote for labour who have a worse platform but poverty and tax reform is their #1 priority so at least something will get done yeah, that worked out great last time! Gonna go for the socialists I think, the only leftist party without a recent history of happily throwing away their principles for some minor token issue e: or PvdG, best for the environment and the budget
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By the way, you should update PVV positions to 'We Hate Muslims, Ban Islam, and Defund the Arts' All of which is troubling. The defund the arts is especially lolsy for me because the reason why I am in NL is because of the arts and arts education. Are there any recent polls for the upcoming election? edit: I would love more free WiFi The Puppet Master has issued a correction as of 23:10 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 23:08
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Entropist posted:yeah, that worked out great last time! hurr lets overthrow capitalism by making workers even more separated from production hurrr
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The Puppet Master posted:Are there any recent polls for the upcoming election? The polls generally show that we're about to become a fascist dictatorship with a PVV-led government but then they collapse before the elections. Let's hope it'll be like that again. Sai posted:the sp has done good stuff in the amsterdam coalition but when i talked to the utrecht faction they were dumb and bad id rather have the pvda any day It's the national elections tho, and the PvdA lost their credibility basically every time they did something government-related since Paars so I don't think it's gonna be any better than GL and SP this time...
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Entropist posted:The polls generally show that we're about to become a fascist dictatorship with a PVV-led government but then they collapse before the elections. Let's hope it'll be like that again. yeah i hope they collapse otherwise ill feel like a real dumbass for moving to NL
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Oct 28, 2016 23:30
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The centrist peasant greens won a pretty resounding minority in Lithuania last week. People are dissatisfied there i guess.
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Oct 29, 2016 00:24
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actually its spelled "erections"
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The Puppet Master posted:yeah i hope they collapse otherwise ill feel like a real dumbass for moving to NL they'll drive you into the sea
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PvdA actually has a decent program this time. Still don't trust the fuckers. I'm a delegate to today's SP regional conferences, tell me which parts of the program suck! (besides everything about immigration, discrimination, and integration  )
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nice, i hope many elections are discussed itt are there data nerd election people who make graphs and maps in Europe does a pirate party run Iceland right now or something, i thought i had read they became a real political party there somehow
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Oct 29, 2016 07:58
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Still no party that wants full communism now so I'll probably vote animal rights party because they seem to be the only one that realize that capitalism is bad (for animals but close enough).
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Oct 29, 2016 08:02
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I hate politics (but for the cool and grown up reason
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Oct 29, 2016 08:45
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Oh God, I'm going to have to vote for one of these people don't I? Probably going to be my usual coinflip between PvdA or GL, though Pirate lady herself isn't bad. Her party is a waste! and a mess! though and we have enough one-issue parties as it is. Also good OP but maybe we need to have Denk in there too.
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Oct 29, 2016 08:48
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9-Volt Assault posted:Still no party that wants full communism now so I'll probably vote animal rights party because they seem to be the only one that realize that capitalism is bad (for animals but close enough). Yeah but she's also a Weird Christian like lots of her inner circle. Also the SP mentioned class struggle in the programme!
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Entropist posted:It's the national elections tho, and the PvdA lost their credibility basically every time they did something government-related since Paars so I don't think it's gonna be any better than GL and SP this time...
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oystertoadfish posted:does ths the king vote and who for
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oystertoadfish posted:does a pirate party run Iceland right now or something, i thought i had read they became a real political party there somehow
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Sai posted:the amsterdam housing market is so terrible that its good when the sp just beats the poo poo out of it with a baseball bat and prevents it becoming london 2.0 but doing the same in rotterdam or some godforsaken shithole like eindhoven would be Bad imo I remember seeing speculation around the time of Brexit that some of the London City Financial sector would move to Amsterdam which would be horrendous for rents if that does actually happen.
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The Puppet Master posted:Are there any recent polls for the upcoming election? Today a newspaper ran an article about some recent research done under voters and its conclusion was that voters want leftist things (pension at 65 years old, socialized healthcare, better social security, that kind of thing), but they will vote mostly rightwing. THe left-wing block (which includes D66, which really isnt left-wing) was measured at 55-60 out of 150 seats. So yeah. 9-Volt Assault has issued a correction as of 11:26 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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9-Volt Assault posted:Today a newspaper ran an article about some recent research done under voters and its conclusion was that voters want leftist things (pension at 65 years old, socialized healthcare, better social security, that kind of thing), but they will vote mostly rightwing. THe left-wing block (which includes D66, which really isnt left-wing) was measured at 55-60 out of 150 seats. So yeah. measured as in, in polls?
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9-Volt Assault posted:Today a newspaper ran an article about some recent research done under voters and its conclusion was that voters want leftist things (pension at 65 years old, socialized healthcare, better social security, that kind of thing), but they will vote mostly rightwing. THe left-wing block (which includes D66, which really isnt left-wing) was measured at 55-60 out of 150 seats. So yeah. So what is the disconnect? Are the leaning parties bad at politics and campaigning? Is it that voters want leftist things but not for immigrants? And the right is taking advantage of the refugees/immigrants/scary muslims?
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The Puppet Master posted:So what is the disconnect? Are the leaning parties bad at politics and campaigning? Is it that voters want leftist things but not for immigrants? And the right is taking advantage of the refugees/immigrants/scary muslims? it's what lagotto (far right dutch poster) said years ago when the SP was due to win big: the dutch have a tendency to try and get 'working' coalitions, consequently leading to voting outside of their own interest because politics as an instrument of reasonable interest is seen as scary until that interest falls within enlightened public opinion (similar to the overton window idea). popular ideology holds that the dutch themselves can be held liable for the current economic downturn, at the very least for the economy not 'improving'. the vvd has come to be relied upon as the fiscally conservative party that can return things to order by calming the wrath of the market god. the vvd takes the place of the whip in this dutch form of political self-flagellation. austerity is believed to be the answer as a type of collective tightening of the belt, despite all evidence to the contrary, or rather, because of the cultural hegemony of 'common sense' neoclassical economic thinking rather than heterodox and scientific, empirically-grounded explanations for economic crisis. of course, all of the 'tightening' is concentrated on the lower classes, for obvious reasons of freeing up the capital to be re-invested to make up for everything that's been lost to the effects of accumulation. you can look at the corpus politic as a dichotomy, xenophobic nationalist eco-Romanticists on the one side (Jobbik, Wilders, SD), and 'multicultural' nominally progressive, but ruthless Liberals who will do the bidding of the capitalist class exclusively. there is some overlap in ideology, but it is opportunistic as of this moment still. the vvd might make light of the 'issues with islam' but mostly to draw PVV voters or as a campaign of rhetoric against the left parties. there's an alt-right tendency to paint the entirety of academia and enlightened opinion as a monolith of 'left-fascist' thought, which is inclusive of immigrants, so that's one venue of attack that they sometimes use. most of the racism and xenophobia you see frmo the VVD imho is not so much structurally planned as it is just the very general Dutch white fragility and complete lack of awareness shining through their (in)famous veneer of tolerance. left parties have no viable alternative and there is no reason to vote for them. all of them will fall in line with the latter mentioned style of party and will at most be able to change a percentage here or there on the national level.
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the dad: the dutch ppl the son: also the dutch ppl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCcExFBncw
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Why do you have so many parties. Surely there can't be room for THREE racist parties, a baby boomer party, a calvinist party
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