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because there's various interests that are represented and the people use the parties to voice the ones they find most important. green left and party for animals for instance is for progressive immigrants, affluent but guilt-ridden white liberals who want to virtue signal, and your varieties of cooky vegan/spiritualist/yoga/alternative medicine people who're trying to fill the god-shaped holes in their hearts with an identity the equivalent of pumpkin spice latte the vvd is for white rich people and old money. pvv is for the absolute dredges of society, so most of limburg and brabant, most of the villages that have never seen a foreigner in their lives, etc. you get the gist it's a cool idea but a gigantic joke in the face of the practically limited political playing field for the politicians themselves, class interest determinism, strategic voting, the lack of any type of guarantee that your party is actually going to vote in the interest they say they are (greenleft desperately wanted to get into the last coalition so their previous chairperson jolande sap got herself involved into making agreements surrounding afghanistan and other stupid poo poo) oh jolande sap is on a supervisory board for KPN (the privatized royal dutch mail) and KPMG now
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:measured as in, in polls? http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/u-denkt-links-en-stemt-rechts~a4404706/
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:it's what lagotto (far right dutch poster) said years ago when the SP was due to win big: the dutch have a tendency to try and get 'working' coalitions, consequently leading to voting outside of their own interest because politics as an instrument of reasonable interest is seen as scary until that interest falls within enlightened public opinion (similar to the overton window idea). my mothers family are poor rotterdammers and the family of my gf are poor almeloers and they all vote pvv because they dont trust the left anymore and i dont blame them because can you think of a single time in the last ten years gl or the pvda tried to connect with those people? best case scenario is they vote sp which is of course preferable if i could give the pvda one piece of advice its to gently caress off out of amsterdam and start a new headquarters in dronten or whatever Sai has issued a correction as of 16:42 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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The Puppet Master posted:I remember seeing speculation around the time of Brexit that some of the London City Financial sector would move to Amsterdam which would be horrendous for rents if that does actually happen.
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Sai posted:yah i agree 100% but its really on the left that theyve allowed this bullshit narrative to take hold because apart from the den uyl administration left-wing cabinets have always been better with money than the right yeah the empirical evidence points to the opposite of what the public consensus is. my dad gets real mad and says the contradiction between what's empirical and in their interest, and what they actually vote for, is because the dutch are a parasite kruidenierenvolk and reminds me of the bosnian joke about the 'fair play' rules of dutch contracts: "let's do this fairly: whoever fucks the other over the best, wins". he doesn't really believe that, the argument has the same roots and structure as antisemitism, but it's comforting to blurt out as catharsis and yes, agreed, the left just doesn't know who to pander to. but to some extent it's justified. you can see from the way that 'left' is used today to mark progressive (as opposed to labor-centric) policy that teh handwringing human-rights liberal of hte middle class has started carrying the banner, rather than the now destitute, pvoerty-stricken industrial worker, miner, factory worker etc. you have to put your egg in a basket. playing the tune of workers' struggle to out-of-work poor people just falls flat, it doesn't resonate with them at all. and if you have no alternative ideology to gather people with, you can at most try to preserve the fundamentals of what you have and attempt to at least somewhat straighten the precipitous decline of Literally Everything
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typical grachtengordel elites looking down on the working man, thus driving them into the open arms of the right
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Davincie posted:typical grachtengordel elites looking down on the working man, thus driving them into the open arms of the right looking into a working anus, driving right with noth arms
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I'm happy to have fled Holland and can now finally vote for a party that is actually cool and good (Die Linke). The left in Holland is so hosed up that they had me vote GL last time, ugh. All PvdA voters should die imho.
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get this: my vote? it's for sale bruh. i dont care lol. give me money ill vote for you
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oliwan posted:I'm happy to have fled Holland and can now finally vote for a party that is actually cool and good (Die Linke). okay i cant do it
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oystertoadfish posted:nice, i hope many elections are discussed itt http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/ is a good site for all your Icelandic election news, with the elections actually happening yesterday!
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:I hate Iceland because it gives dumb anarchists and libertarians ammunition for delusional comparisons Wait so do anarchists seriously hold up the Commonwealth as a good thing?
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Lawman 0 posted:Wait so do anarchists seriously hold up the Commonwealth as a good thing? haha idk about that but they extrapolate iceland's public policy achievements like arrest and prosecution of bankers, their green energy etc. etc. stuff like that as if those policies can in any way survive the economy of scale problem
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Iceland elected a minority of the ruling parties and none of the other parties will enter a coalition with them. That leaves: The left green eco-socialists The pirates The social democratic rump party The purple-colored liberals --- not enough for a coalition --- The orange-colored liberals So that'll be a fun rainbow coalition to try and make work.
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Fiction posted:Iceland elected a minority of the ruling parties and none of the other parties will enter a coalition with them. That leaves: but also the orange-colored 'liberals' all used to be in one of the governing parties, they all look really creepy, and their leader is the cousin of the leader of the (now) larger governing party. hopefully it's true that all they care about is EU membership, everyone else would probably be willing to sacrifice another referendum that would definitely fail
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I'm voting SP because I want access to their creepy end-of-the-world shelters for when Russia attacks.
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Please tell me who to vote for because i don't feel that any single party stands out above the "obviously and transparently telling you what you want to hear so i can keep my job" segment.
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im volunteering for the first time in my life i totally understand if you dont want to support the pvda because theyr milquetoast (((Globalists))) but i hope other dutch goons will also try to work for the left if nov 8 made me believe anything its that without doing something le pen will win in france and wilders will get 30+ seats in the netherlands lets at least try to stop it im not v optimistic but i dont want to let this happen
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Sai posted:im volunteering for the first time in my life i totally understand if you dont want to support the pvda because theyr milquetoast (((Globalists))) but i hope other dutch goons will also try to work for the left hey i was thinking the same thing, but of course i am foreigner here and not sure what exactly i can do
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The Puppet Master posted:hey i was thinking the same thing, but of course i am foreigner here and not sure what exactly i can do in the same position. As someone who feels like we should have a progressive, leftist message, but also generally likes the EU, but also completely gets that the world is on an anti-establishment bender (regardless of who is offering it or what they believe), i've got no idea where to start. especially when your dutch sucks!!!
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The Puppet Master posted:hey i was thinking the same thing, but of course i am foreigner here and not sure what exactly i can do WORLDS BEST BABY posted:in the same position. As someone who feels like we should have a progressive, leftist message, but also generally likes the EU, but also completely gets that the world is on an anti-establishment bender (regardless of who is offering it or what they believe), i've got no idea where to start. especially when your dutch sucks!!! oh hey this is also me. i voted once, ever, (for the sp. people on facebook laughed at me and told me i should vote d66, erugh) and i'm pretty sure i accidentally spoiled my ballot because my dutch is participation-trophy level. gently caress u ireland for not having absentee voting (it's because the expats would loving murder fianna fail-fine gael lol) tho i'd probably be counted as voting in cork south central which is ironclad fianna fail, rip
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It's the first election since I became a Dutch citizen, so I've only voted once before and it was in the water board elections (I voted for the party of water animals, I speak for the ducks). Who should I vote for, goons??
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twoday posted:It's the first election since I became a Dutch citizen, so I've only voted once before and it was in the water board elections (I voted for the party of water animals, I speak for the ducks). Who should I vote for, goons?? What Would Colve Do
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twoday posted:It's the first election since I became a Dutch citizen, so I've only voted once before and it was in the water board elections (I voted for the party of water animals, I speak for the ducks). Who should I vote for, goons?? Why did you vote for torture
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Jeoh posted:What Would Colve Do Is there a party that wants to give the King more power?
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twoday posted:Is there a party that wants to give the King more power? The SGP (Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij), probably, who are in any case your best bet for a party that wants to turn things back to the 17th century. I was going to check but of course their website is closed on Sundays.
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I kind of like SP. If they supported basic income they might get my vote. Every single party leader seems like, if I ever met one of them in person, they would be the most irritating and unpleasant person I would have interacted with that week.
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ftwoday posted:I kind of like SP. If they supported basic income they might get my vote. fact: i've partied with a SP member of the Tweede Kamer
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What do you guys think of DENK? They want to turn the old Ministry of Colonization into a Museum of Colonization, which I support, but they also deny the Armenian genocide, so I'm kind of torn. 
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oystertoadfish posted:does a pirate party run Iceland right now or something, i thought i had read they became a real political party there somehow They got 15% of the vote and now have the third largest amount of seats in the parliament lol
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