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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
i asked in a another thread but i might as well ask here
do you guys get 538 over there? like, website with statistics with % chance of whos gonna win?

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twoday
May 4, 2005



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No, we have weekly polls but the election results are never even close to the polls.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
does anyone in europe know statistics and how to manage error in polling ? or is that more a thing that only baseball nerds know?

538 got alot of heat for being so uncertain about the result of the general election here while everyone else was like 99%++ crooked hillary wins

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

twoday posted:

What do you guys think of DENK?

DENK will never accomplish anything. If you want to make a political statement best to vote blank.

Pluskut Tukker
May 20, 2012

Baloogan posted:

does anyone in europe know statistics and how to manage error in polling ? or is that more a thing that only baseball nerds know?

538 got alot of heat for being so uncertain about the result of the general election here while everyone else was like 99%++ crooked hillary wins

The problem with polling for the Dutch elections is that these days, many people don't make up their minds until the last possible moment, people will vote strategically, there are many more parties to choose from, and some of them are quite close to each other (for instance , the Democratic coalition in the US would in the Netherlands be represented by at least 4 separate parties).

Thus with our last parliamentary elections both the main rightwing party and the main center-left party did much better than expected, since the race ended in a competition about who would become the biggest party (as a rule the biggest party gets the first shot at trying to form a government). And of course that effect is driven by the polls themselves.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
You're also not gonna know how the French elections are gonna go until new polls pitting fillon against le pen come out

Fillon basically cribbed all of FN's positions minus all the really messed up stuff though, so he will have a better shot than juppe. Also gently caress you for hoping for the nazis lol

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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Every established left wing party in Europe I know of has in one way or another been implicated in the austerity politics of the last decade :sad:

what the gently caress are we even supposed to vote for at this po9nt

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Friendly Humour posted:

Every established left wing party in Europe I know of has in one way or another been implicated in the austerity politics of the last decade :sad:

what the gently caress are we even supposed to vote for at this po9nt

podemos

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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Kudos to the Spanish I guess. The rest of us are pretty hosed tho

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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podemos is also not what I would call an established party since they haven't lived through a single electoral cycle. which is a positive at this point

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Friendly Humour posted:

Every established left wing party in Europe I know of has in one way or another been implicated in the austerity politics of the last decade :sad:

what the gently caress are we even supposed to vote for at this po9nt

I don't think either Die Linke or Front de Gauche have been involved in austerity politics. Unless by left you meant centre-left, which is a meaningless void in the political spectrum these days.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Baloogan posted:

i asked in a another thread but i might as well ask here
do you guys get 538 over there? like, website with statistics with % chance of whos gonna win?

538 tried to do the UK elections in 2015 and came out just as wrong as everyone else btw

twoday
May 4, 2005



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SP is too conservative. I want a hipper fresher SP (that isn't groenlinks)

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

twoday posted:

SP is too conservative. I want a hipper fresher SP (that isn't groenlinks)

I too wish for total destruction of Noord-Brabant and Limburg

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Friendly Humour posted:

Every established left wing party in Europe I know of has in one way or another been implicated in the austerity politics of the last decade :sad:

what the gently caress are we even supposed to vote for at this po9nt

the far right apparantly

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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YF-23 posted:

I don't think either Die Linke or Front de Gauche have been involved in austerity politics. Unless by left you meant centre-left, which is a meaningless void in the political spectrum these days.

Die Linke is polling at what, 8%? Plus aren't they super big on Russia and European disarmament and all that good old Warsaw pact poo poo? They're a bunch of old irrelevant soviet relics is my impression, and they will never get any kind of power.

9-Volt Assault
Jan 27, 2007

Beter twee tetten in de hand dan tien op de vlucht.

twoday posted:

SP is too conservative. I want a hipper fresher SP (that isn't groenlinks)

Partij voor de dieren.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Friendly Humour posted:

Die Linke is polling at what, 8%? Plus aren't they super big on Russia and European disarmament and all that good old Warsaw pact poo poo? They're a bunch of old irrelevant soviet relics is my impression, and they will never get any kind of power.

There's a lot of Soviet leftover elements in a lot of left-wing parties, such as Russian apologism, yes. But that's nowhere near as big of a deal as the fundamentally different attitudes towards society compared to the centrist parties, and ultimately, that's probably preferable than Russia being the perpetual boogeyman (though thankfully that is nowhere near as big a phenomenon in Europe as it is in the US). It is also debateable how strongly those parties would put that Russian apologism into practice if they were in power. With the Russian establishment making the far right into its new BFFs I do not see real ties between them and the traditional left lasting for much longer.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008


An anti-SP ad that makes me want to vote for them even more.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
can you translate your dumb languages into the standard language all of humanity uses?

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Baloogan posted:

can you translate your dumb languages into the standard language all of humanity uses?

"If Roemer gets into the Little Tower(That's where the Prime Minister works), we're moving to Switzerland".

This was made by a business magazine during the last elections, who were so against SP they were gonna run away if the SP won. To this day I have no idea what the chainsaw and blood symbolizes, but it reminds me of DOOM so I voted them that year.

Apparently the SP liked the ad cause this year they made their own.



"Put the saw to deductible".

SP wants to get rid of deductible in health care and insurance companies, and set up a big ol' universal health care system. However due to the lack of extreme gore and a bitch-made chainsaw, they haven't won my vote yet.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
i still dont understand but thanks

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
"Socialist boss cutting up rich people" has always been my interpretation.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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that chainsaw looks so loving weak

e: can you say gay here? what about human being? asking for a friend

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
no but you can say cuck which means the same thing as that.

Sai
Sep 20, 2004

i want to tell a story from my country

this is a kinda famous bronze sculpture in the Amsterdam red light district:


This wasn't commissioned by the city, it just appeared one morning in february 1993. We're Dutch and we plan every loving meter of this swamp country, so it would not stand, and the city send some people to remove it. They tried to pry it out, but they couldnt get it loose. It turned out it had a cubic meter of concrete under it. This is in a very heavy tourist district, and it was placed overnight. The city finally removed it, but for an unknown reason placed it back a month later a few feet from its original place. Noone knew who made it.

In the years before the city had a contract with The Unknown Sculptor that in exchange for anonimity, they could place some sculptures throughout the city without payment, and it was quickly concluded that this was the same person. Other works of his/her:


(the blue violinist/Man trying to catch tram 5)

or


(the treecutter)

or


(the violinist, in the lobby of the city hall)

people have tried for years to find out who it is, but since the city never paid a cent for the sculptures and noone noticed (or tells) who installed them its hard to find leads and those who should know have never said a word in 30 years. So, apparently there's a sculptor in the netherlands who has enough money and connections to dig a hole for a 5000 pound slab of concrete in the city center in one night without informing the city and can just get away with it.

There is however one famous person in the Netherlands known for her love of sculpting, violin, connections and tons of money


Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands

So if you ever visit Amsterdam and smack your toe against a titty on the oudekerksplein, I'd say it's about a 65% chance our last queen made that titty

Sai has issued a correction as of 04:46 on Nov 28, 2016

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Sai posted:

i want to tell a story from my country...

this is an extremely good story.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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PleasingFungus posted:

this is an extremely good story.

Sai
Sep 20, 2004

a fourth racist party announced today theyre in, GeenPeil, which is sort of the Breitbart Party and theyve promised if elected to vote in parliament via online polls, very good & cool imo

The Puppet Master
Apr 9, 2005

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.



Sai posted:

a fourth racist party announced today theyre in, GeenPeil, which is sort of the Breitbart Party and theyve promised if elected to vote in parliament via online polls, very good & cool imo

Why can't nederlanders agree on a unified racist front?

Sai
Sep 20, 2004

lmao thierry baudet says dutch people are fed up with three core issues: immigration, the euro, and market sanctions against russia

this is going to be the usa 2016 election all over again

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
TRUMP!

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Baloogan posted:

does anyone in europe know statistics and how to manage error in polling ? or is that more a thing that only baseball nerds know?

538 got alot of heat for being so uncertain about the result of the general election here while everyone else was like 99%++ crooked hillary wins

I kinda wanna say that the smaller media markets of the euro countries compared to the US make polling less monetizable? I've definitely felt that the whole political process seems a lot less technically sophisticated here.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Sai posted:

lmao thierry baudet says dutch people are fed up with three core issues: immigration, the euro, and market sanctions against russia

this is going to be the usa 2016 election all over again

they shot down a plane full of these cowardly wooden-shoe fucks and all they do is complain about how the EU won't let them suck Putin's dick hard enough

I hope the netherlands sinks into the sea and drowns every one of its gutter german inhabitants

WORLDS BEST BABY
Aug 26, 2006

Sai posted:

lmao thierry baudet says dutch people are fed up with three core issues: immigration, the euro, and market sanctions against russia

this is going to be the usa 2016 election all over again

Isn't this more of a wishlist for him than anything else

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Fallen Hamprince posted:

they shot down a plane full of these cowardly wooden-shoe fucks and all they do is complain about how the EU won't let them suck Putin's dick hard enough

I hope the netherlands sinks into the sea and drowns every one of its gutter german inhabitants

theyre all high as gently caress on shrooms and poo poo, man

twoday
May 4, 2005



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Fallen Hamprince posted:

they shot down a plane full of these cowardly wooden-shoe fucks and all they do is complain about how the EU won't let them suck Putin's dick hard enough

I hope the netherlands sinks into the sea and drowns every one of its gutter german inhabitants

The term is swamp-germans, and good luck trying to sink us, we all live on boats surrounded by ring upon ring of dykes

The Puppet Master
Apr 9, 2005

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.



Sai posted:

lmao thierry baudet says dutch people are fed up with three core issues: immigration, the euro, and market sanctions against russia

this is going to be the usa 2016 election all over again

Do you find your fellow Nederlanders complaining about the unfair and unjust sanctions against Russia? Because as we know, Russia did nothing wrong

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twoday
May 4, 2005



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The average Dutch person is pretty anti-Russia, as is the media and nearly every one in government.

When Putin visited he was constantly surrounded by gay protesters doing stuff like this:



Also everyone hates Russia because of the airplane crash

Also a Dutch court just ruled against Putin in the treasure trial

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