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*Man in unmarked russian navy uniform bayonets dutch children* klompen-sporting retard: "boy i wish someone would do something about all these moroccans"
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Is there going to be a cordon sanitaire around PVV or are the centrists tripping over themselves to coalition with them?
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Everyone here dislikes Russia but we dislike negative economic growth more and if the people I talk to are an indication appeasement is a perfectly valid strategy and never goes wrong.
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Fiction posted:Is there going to be a cordon sanitaire around PVV or are the centrists tripping over themselves to coalition with them? The conservatives will join them for sure.
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Wilders has actually tweeted at some point that he wouldn't cooperate with the VVD as long as they were led by Rutte, while his latest excretion is about how the "Netherlands-hating elite" from Rutte to Asscher to Klaver needs to be "smashed" . He is going to make it impossible for anyone to work with him. The VVD is in a competition for voters with him, so they are likely not going to cooperate with him either. The more insidious consequence of that is that there will be more xenophobic rhetoric or dogwhistling from the VVD too.
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Fiction posted:Is there going to be a cordon sanitaire around PVV or are the centrists tripping over themselves to coalition with them? SP, GL, PvdA, CU, D66 won't enter into a coalition with the PVV.
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the more important thing keeping wilders out of a coalition is that it seems he really doesnt want to be in one unless he gets like 50+ seats since the last time he he blew up the coaliton i think he's just been trying to build an Asterix-like village for when the muslim hordes inevitably take over europe
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I could see the SP entering a coalition with the PVV, they share some populist views and some social security related ones. But the PVV would have to tone down some of their extreme views significantly during the negotiations for that.
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is merkel gonna lose because a terrorism happened
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Merkel is finished
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WW3 except everyone is invading each other
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Fallen Hamprince posted:*Man in unmarked russian navy uniform bayonets dutch children* this is basically europol
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Nonsense posted:Merkel is finished how would this happen exactly, can the CDU knife her in a leadership spill or do German parties have primaries?
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TheIllestVillain posted:how would this happen exactly, can the CDU knife her in a leadership spill or do German parties have primaries? It won't. Merkel is still popular enough that it would take something much bigger to push her out of power. The AfD, the far-right party that would presumably benefit, is a political pariah that the other parties won't touch.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:It won't. Merkel is still popular enough that it would take something much bigger to push her out of power. The AfD, the far-right party that would presumably benefit, is a political pariah that the other parties won't touch. I would imagine that their support will spike though, much like it did last year in the wake of the Paris nightclub attacks.
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Germans seem to have some weird hard-on for grand coalitions so the AfD would need their support to spike bigly if they want to play ball with the grown ups.
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Entropist posted:I could see the SP entering a coalition with the PVV, they share some populist views and some social security related ones. But the PVV would have to tone down some of their extreme views significantly during the negotiations for that. this is the stupidest opinion. not just because it's factually untrue (the only things the SP and PVV somewhat agree on are healthcare and governance) but also because it'd literally be the end of the SP http://partijgedrag.nl/partijgelijkenis.php
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Your optimism is admirable!
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can ya all please add notes to your posts assuming dumb rear end people in north america are reading? whats SP PPV afd etc? and what country?
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https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/811177221310320640 e: From the comments https://twitter.com/colinfarrelfan/status/811181765855481856 Sai has issued a correction as of 14:14 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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i hope colin farrel knows he has inspired his fans toward far-right reactionism.
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Baloogan posted:can ya all please add notes to your posts assuming dumb rear end people in north america are reading? Netherlands: SP = lefties, but closer to social Democrats now PVV = Muslim hatin, religion clingin right wingers led by a guy with bad hair. Wants a Nexit referendum so good luck forming a coalition in Netherlands' clusterfuck proportional representation system. Germany: AfD = not literal nazis (that's the NPD), but close. Not likely to be part of a coalition for reasons stated above by other posters.
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Entropist posted:Your optimism is admirable! So's your ignorance
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Fiction posted:Netherlands: PVV isn't religious, just xenophobic. I wouldnt really call them left or right wingers in the econonic sense either. As they just say whatever they think gets them more votes with the people sympathetic to the xenophobic platform.
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Ok, I will explain this for the Americans. We have a website called stemwijzer, it's a little quiz that you do to help you pick the party you agree with most. Here are my results: Voting for pirate party is risky, because they've never even held one seat before, and don't really have their poo poo together, but I don't really like d66 and the next two are fictional parties made up for this poll, and PvdA is too bland. Also, I disagree with the pirate party on 15 out of 30 questions and the rest are all worse than that. What the hell, how is there not a party that I have a majority of shared opinions with?
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maybe you should start your own party
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twoday posted:Ok, I will explain this for the Americans. We have a website called stemwijzer, it's a little quiz that you do to help you pick the party you agree with most. Here are my results: what were the questions? just vote SP, tia
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The Puppet Master posted:what were the questions? I'm not 50+ so SP is no longer representing me. Also they don't think capitalism is bad so yeah.
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twoday posted:Ok, I will explain this for the Americans. We have a website called stemwijzer, it's a little quiz that you do to help you pick the party you agree with most. Here are my results: who should you vote for? the party whose core thesis you most agree with sp: there is more than enough money in the netherlands to give unemployed and low-income people a much better life gl: we need to become energy-neutral and focusing on endless economic growth is retarded denk: erdogan is real, and strong, and he is my friend pvda: our welfare state is fundamentally good and we need to preserve it for a new age cda: a more moral society is a better society d66: the netherlands needs to become an education superpower in a united europe vvd: people know what is best for them, and they deserve the money they earn pvv: to preserve the netherlands we need to get out of the EU, and get islam out of the netherlands cu/sgp/pirates/50+/new racists: fart After the elections there will be bargaining and while the vvd might say that everyone will get a free 1000 euro, that's the first thing they drop. I think this is more or less fairly what the parties would bring to the table
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Please stop pretending DENK is a real party and let me live in my fantasy world for a bit until they get a surprisingly high number of votes next election.
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Namarrgon posted:Please stop pretending DENK is a real party and let me live in my fantasy world for a bit until they get a surprisingly high number of votes next election. it's a shame that weed is already legal in the netherlands because otherwise DANK would surely save the land of windmills and polders from the fascist menace
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Sai posted:stemwijzer is garbage in a coalition-based system Well as an academic, I guess d66 then But also as an academic, I want to vote SP twoday has issued a correction as of 11:00 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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i really hate wilders but im really hoping for a debate where he just dunks on thierry baudet again and again until he cries
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its about three months before the election lets see how de hond's polls from four years ago around the same time held up Party/Poll june '12/elections sept '12 VVD/26/41 PvdA/19/38 PVV/24/15 CDA/13/13 SP/32/15 D66/16/12 GL/6/4 CU/6/5 SGP/3/3 PvdD/3/2 Other/2/2 who cares at this point
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maurice de hond is the world's worst pollster and i love the #shitpeilsays hashtag on the twittersphere
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televised humiliation of the new racist parties is the only good thing that'll probably happen in these here elections
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Sai posted:d66: the netherlands needs to become an education superpower in a united europe But also we vote in favour of ripping apart the student financial aid system big parties please love us and invite us to the next coalition talk we can make The Hard Choices.
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I agree with d66 on a lot of issues, but I find libertarians fundamentally obnoxious, then again I guess they're not exactly that, since they want to throw tons of government money at education. They still feel right-wing some how, and I don't like that.
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Namarrgon posted:But also we vote in favour of ripping apart the student financial aid system big parties please love us and invite us to the next coalition talk we can make The Hard Choices. i think the new system is Bad but if the Americans reading this knew that college in NL costs like 2000 euros a year and the left thinks thats unacceptable theyd be laughing till their balls dropped out of their mourhs
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