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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Sai posted:

if we had a two party system GL would be good but as it is there will always be compromises and the party doesnt care about the things i like in the platform so id rather vote for labour who have a worse platform but poverty and tax reform is their #1 priority so at least something will get done

yeah, that worked out great last time!
Gonna go for the socialists I think, the only leftist party without a recent history of happily throwing away their principles for some minor token issue

e: or PvdG, best for the environment and the budget

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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

The Puppet Master posted:

Are there any recent polls for the upcoming election?

The polls generally show that we're about to become a fascist dictatorship with a PVV-led government but then they collapse before the elections. Let's hope it'll be like that again.

Sai posted:

the sp has done good stuff in the amsterdam coalition but when i talked to the utrecht faction they were dumb and bad id rather have the pvda any day

It's the national elections tho, and the PvdA lost their credibility basically every time they did something government-related since Paars so I don't think it's gonna be any better than GL and SP this time...

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

twoday posted:

What do you guys think of DENK? They want to turn the old Ministry of Colonization into a Museum of Colonization, which I support, but they also deny the Armenian genocide, so I'm kind of torn. :shrug:
It's really weird how they manage to combine leftist identity politics with being pro Erdogan's nationalist and racist dictatorship. That makes me think one of those two things is being faked, and it's probably the first one.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
I could see the SP entering a coalition with the PVV, they share some populist views and some social security related ones. But the PVV would have to tone down some of their extreme views significantly during the negotiations for that.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
Your optimism is admirable!

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Forums Terrorist posted:

i remember on a date a few years ago seeing the gay district being down to like a single back street

:smith:

Grindr is the gay district. Also, increased acceptance has led to less of a need for gay bars.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Forums Terrorist posted:

well, until the nazis start using hookup apps to find targets, like they do in russia

The political position of gay rights in the Netherlands is quite different. Most extreme right wing parties are actually pro gay rights, because the muslims hate gays and therefore it must be cool and good, and is an integral part of Dutch values and cultures. So it's quite unlikely that nazis will target them here.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

9-Volt Assault posted:

You should vote PvdD because they oppose capitalism (because its bad for animals and causes global warming and destroys the environment) and also dont see any use in merging provinces. Also they arent dumb liberals like D66.
They are a Seventh-day Adventist cult tho.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Stabbatical posted:

wait what

Do you have any more about this?

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot written about it, mainly some articles on the beliefs of leader Marianne and lots of rumours about internal power struggles and non-adventists being pushed out. You can google the journalistic pieces from 2007 when people first found out about Marianne's affiliation, but I didn't find any recent overview on the topic. And it's all in Dutch, of course.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
I just can't bring myself to vote for a party led by a member of a weird Christian cult, even if it supposedly does not influence their politics for now. The SP is plenty anticapitalist too. Also, I don't particularly care if some animals that were raised to be eaten get (their feelings) hurt.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
They've been steadily occupying 2-3 seats for the past century, the most stable party around. Either you and your family vote for it, or you don't. It is pretty much obligatory to vote for them in certain social circles in certain areas, and all other people wouldn't think about voting for them.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

TheIllestVillain posted:

how did the Netherlands end up with an AKP mouthpiece party running for parliament

i would've thought Germany would seem the more natural option

They were elected as part of the Labour party but split from them over not being able to follow the AKP party line, now they're running for themselves. Tiny one issue splinter parties are a proud Dutch tradition, they're less likely in Germany where you need at least 5% of the vote to get in. Wilders started out like that too...

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
Yes, but I don't think they ever do. At least this year, he, the queen and the former queen are not voting: http://nos.nl/artikel/2161173-willem-alexander-maxima-en-beatrix-gaan-niet-stemmen.html
They want to be impartial. According to that article, they did not even vote back when it was legally required, so they were technically breaking the law by not voting.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

oliwan posted:

there is only one real leftist option in the Netherlands, and that is Partij voor de Dieren. They are literally the only party that are openly anti-capitalist, and openly criticize economic growth as the ultimate factor for happiness. they are also the only party to openly support universal basic income.
yes, but they gotta gotta sort out the chemtrail issue and stop vaccinations before they do that tho!

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Messyass posted:

tomorrow you will all rally behind our lord and savior Klaver anyway

I'm actually tempted due to the polls, if there is some chance of GL becoming the biggest party, even though I know Klaver would be happy to bomb Ankara and start fracking in the Wadden Sea if it means they get their name on a list of 'constructive opposition members', let alone in government...

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

Is there no such thing as a minority government in the Netherlands?

This was tried in 2010, supported by Wilders, but that collapsed after like a year when Wilders suddenly didn't feel like cooperating any more. It's unlikely that they will try this again any time soon, but you never know!

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Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
And let's not forget the new AKP proxy party, Erdogan is pretty fascist too.

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