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as an SP voter: the SP SUCKS rear end!!! THEy're dumb and bad!!
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Oct 28, 2016 19:55
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Oct 28, 2016 19:57
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I hate politics (but for the cool and grown up reason
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9-Volt Assault posted:Today a newspaper ran an article about some recent research done under voters and its conclusion was that voters want leftist things (pension at 65 years old, socialized healthcare, better social security, that kind of thing), but they will vote mostly rightwing. THe left-wing block (which includes D66, which really isnt left-wing) was measured at 55-60 out of 150 seats. So yeah. measured as in, in polls?
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The Puppet Master posted:So what is the disconnect? Are the leaning parties bad at politics and campaigning? Is it that voters want leftist things but not for immigrants? And the right is taking advantage of the refugees/immigrants/scary muslims? it's what lagotto (far right dutch poster) said years ago when the SP was due to win big: the dutch have a tendency to try and get 'working' coalitions, consequently leading to voting outside of their own interest because politics as an instrument of reasonable interest is seen as scary until that interest falls within enlightened public opinion (similar to the overton window idea). popular ideology holds that the dutch themselves can be held liable for the current economic downturn, at the very least for the economy not 'improving'. the vvd has come to be relied upon as the fiscally conservative party that can return things to order by calming the wrath of the market god. the vvd takes the place of the whip in this dutch form of political self-flagellation. austerity is believed to be the answer as a type of collective tightening of the belt, despite all evidence to the contrary, or rather, because of the cultural hegemony of 'common sense' neoclassical economic thinking rather than heterodox and scientific, empirically-grounded explanations for economic crisis. of course, all of the 'tightening' is concentrated on the lower classes, for obvious reasons of freeing up the capital to be re-invested to make up for everything that's been lost to the effects of accumulation. you can look at the corpus politic as a dichotomy, xenophobic nationalist eco-Romanticists on the one side (Jobbik, Wilders, SD), and 'multicultural' nominally progressive, but ruthless Liberals who will do the bidding of the capitalist class exclusively. there is some overlap in ideology, but it is opportunistic as of this moment still. the vvd might make light of the 'issues with islam' but mostly to draw PVV voters or as a campaign of rhetoric against the left parties. there's an alt-right tendency to paint the entirety of academia and enlightened opinion as a monolith of 'left-fascist' thought, which is inclusive of immigrants, so that's one venue of attack that they sometimes use. most of the racism and xenophobia you see frmo the VVD imho is not so much structurally planned as it is just the very general Dutch white fragility and complete lack of awareness shining through their (in)famous veneer of tolerance. left parties have no viable alternative and there is no reason to vote for them. all of them will fall in line with the latter mentioned style of party and will at most be able to change a percentage here or there on the national level.
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the dad: the dutch ppl the son: also the dutch ppl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCcExFBncw
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Oct 29, 2016 16:04
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because there's various interests that are represented and the people use the parties to voice the ones they find most important. green left and party for animals for instance is for progressive immigrants, affluent but guilt-ridden white liberals who want to virtue signal, and your varieties of cooky vegan/spiritualist/yoga/alternative medicine people who're trying to fill the god-shaped holes in their hearts with an identity the equivalent of pumpkin spice latte the vvd is for white rich people and old money. pvv is for the absolute dredges of society, so most of limburg and brabant, most of the villages that have never seen a foreigner in their lives, etc. you get the gist it's a cool idea but a gigantic joke in the face of the practically limited political playing field for the politicians themselves, class interest determinism, strategic voting, the lack of any type of guarantee that your party is actually going to vote in the interest they say they are (greenleft desperately wanted to get into the last coalition so their previous chairperson jolande sap got herself involved into making agreements surrounding afghanistan and other stupid poo poo) oh jolande sap is on a supervisory board for KPN (the privatized royal dutch mail) and KPMG now
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Oct 29, 2016 16:20
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Sai posted:yah i agree 100% but its really on the left that theyve allowed this bullshit narrative to take hold because apart from the den uyl administration left-wing cabinets have always been better with money than the right yeah the empirical evidence points to the opposite of what the public consensus is. my dad gets real mad and says the contradiction between what's empirical and in their interest, and what they actually vote for, is because the dutch are a parasite kruidenierenvolk and reminds me of the bosnian joke about the 'fair play' rules of dutch contracts: "let's do this fairly: whoever fucks the other over the best, wins". he doesn't really believe that, the argument has the same roots and structure as antisemitism, but it's comforting to blurt out as catharsis and yes, agreed, the left just doesn't know who to pander to. but to some extent it's justified. you can see from the way that 'left' is used today to mark progressive (as opposed to labor-centric) policy that teh handwringing human-rights liberal of hte middle class has started carrying the banner, rather than the now destitute, pvoerty-stricken industrial worker, miner, factory worker etc. you have to put your egg in a basket. playing the tune of workers' struggle to out-of-work poor people just falls flat, it doesn't resonate with them at all. and if you have no alternative ideology to gather people with, you can at most try to preserve the fundamentals of what you have and attempt to at least somewhat straighten the precipitous decline of Literally Everything
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Oct 29, 2016 16:55
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Heil Strasser
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Oct 29, 2016 19:15
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get this: my vote? it's for sale bruh. i dont care lol. give me money ill vote for you
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Oct 29, 2016 21:18
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I hate Iceland because it gives dumb anarchists and libertarians ammunition for delusional comparisons
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Oct 30, 2016 11:50
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Lawman 0 posted:Wait so do anarchists seriously hold up the Commonwealth as a good thing? haha idk about that but they extrapolate iceland's public policy achievements like arrest and prosecution of bankers, their green energy etc. etc. stuff like that as if those policies can in any way survive the economy of scale problem
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Oct 31, 2016 09:26
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All Icelanders are basically cousins
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Oct 31, 2016 23:42
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His face looks like an anus pretending to be serious
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