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Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
The centrist peasant greens won a pretty resounding minority in Lithuania last week. People are dissatisfied there i guess.

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Apr 28, 2011
Iceland elected a minority of the ruling parties and none of the other parties will enter a coalition with them. That leaves:

The left green eco-socialists
The pirates
The social democratic rump party
The purple-colored liberals

--- not enough for a coalition ---

The orange-colored liberals

So that'll be a fun rainbow coalition to try and make work.

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Apr 28, 2011
You're also not gonna know how the French elections are gonna go until new polls pitting fillon against le pen come out

Fillon basically cribbed all of FN's positions minus all the really messed up stuff though, so he will have a better shot than juppe. Also gently caress you for hoping for the nazis lol

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Apr 28, 2011
Is there going to be a cordon sanitaire around PVV or are the centrists tripping over themselves to coalition with them?

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Apr 28, 2011

Baloogan posted:

can ya all please add notes to your posts assuming dumb rear end people in north america are reading?

whats SP PPV afd etc? and what country?

Netherlands:

SP = lefties, but closer to social Democrats now
PVV = Muslim hatin, religion clingin right wingers led by a guy with bad hair. Wants a Nexit referendum so good luck forming a coalition in Netherlands' clusterfuck proportional representation system.

Germany:

AfD = not literal nazis (that's the NPD), but close. Not likely to be part of a coalition for reasons stated above by other posters.

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Apr 28, 2011
Funny enough, the neoliberals are loving the center-left in France too because of Emmanuel Macron, who's formed his own party and is basically splitting the center-left vote, ensuring a second round of the right-wing guy who wants to cut entitlements and likes Russia and hates foreigners and the far-right lady who wants to keep entitlements and also likes Russia and hates foreigners.

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Apr 28, 2011

Fiction posted:

Funny enough, the neoliberals are loving the center-left in France too because of Emmanuel Macron, who's formed his own party and is basically splitting the center-left vote, ensuring a second round of the right-wing guy who wants to cut entitlements and likes Russia and hates foreigners and the far-right lady who wants to keep entitlements and also likes Russia and hates foreigners.

Guess who wins this fight, btw.

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Apr 28, 2011

Badger of Basra posted:

if only he wasn't splitting the vote, then we could get true hero of the left *checks papers* manuel valls??

the polls actually favor montebourg but yeah its not great lol

too bad melenchon isn't great either

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Apr 28, 2011

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

so le pens winning right?

actually fillon was looking to be the weakest candidate against her since she's basically Third Position on social services whereas he wanted to cut them all

macron is the most likely to overtake him and has a good shot of beating her. the left is still split among two candidates but Hamon has a good chance as well.

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Apr 28, 2011

The whole mess with Ukraine started because NATO was putting heavy pressure on Ukraine to join and was also funding neo-Nazis to help overthrow the pro-Russia government there.

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Apr 28, 2011
do none of y'all know who Right Sector are.

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Apr 28, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

mmmm yuss that's that RTnews rite there

That is what happened. Sorry your brain is broken.

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Apr 28, 2011
Ukraine definitely didn't elect the Party of Regions in 2010 and Euromaidan definitely wasn't bolstered by neo Nazis waving pro-Stepan Bandera flags in every photo of the demonstrations. John McCain definitely wasn't photographed hanging with the literal nazis in Svoboda. I'm hamprince and the CIA is good

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Apr 28, 2011
Anything that might put the US in a negative light and Russia as not the source of all the world's problems hurts my liberal brain.

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Apr 28, 2011

Namarrgon posted:

You realize that the Russian media under Putin cannot be trusted right? Just like the RWM under Trump cannot be trusted right now.

The Ukraine uprising was definitely real and spontaneous against an elected official that flirted with the EU then suddenly took a turn towards Russia. You could at most blame the West for not intervening in the process and reinstating an elected official, but that as a viewpoint is pretty stupid.

I'm sure it was a real uprising since there's weird demographics regionally in Ukraine- now that Russia has basically annexed Crimea and donbass that takes the historically pro Russian segments of the electorate out of the picture and it makes sense that the rest would want to stay with the EU and by extension, NATO. That doesn't negate the existence of the Azov Battalion nor does it mean we just sat on our hands and didn't interfere with our number one geopolitical adversary during a crisis on their border.

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Apr 28, 2011
So I know Dutch polls are poo poo but support among parties is so divided that the coalition is guaranteed to be some sort of Rutte-led clusterfuck VVD-D66-CDA-mumble-mumble coalition, right?

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Apr 28, 2011

Namarrgon posted:

Bonus comedy option; GroenLinks becomes a massive party and we get a left-led GroenLinks-SP-X-Y cabinet. This is unlikely.

This is my dream but Klaver would probably just morph into post-election Justin Trudeau and it'd basically be like D66 had won the plurality

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Apr 28, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

keep in mind that russia's argument here is that extreme nationalists funded by the cia staged a coup in order to join the EU, supranational entity beloved of far-right organizations all over europe. but bootlickers like fiction will contort themselves however necessary to suck russia's dick from back because gently caress u dad

i've seen the pictures dude, and the timeline is pretty clear. sorry we did a bad thing again. we do it a lot

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Apr 28, 2011
They literally put an amendment in the 2015 Congress budget that passed the House unanimously to prevent our funds helping Ukraine from going to the neo-Nazis in the Azov Battallion, but it mysteriously disappeared from the budget before it was passed. I'm sure the US military would never support extreme right wingers to achieve its goals though, we've never done that before

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Apr 28, 2011
Russia will definitely try to do an imperialism on the non russophile parts of Ukraine some time in the near future.

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Apr 28, 2011
I feel like high turnout is good for GroenLinks and by extension, whatever "left" coalition they'll put together to continue governing like the conservatives.

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Apr 28, 2011

Nonsense posted:

liking/solidarity with IRA poo poo is beyond the pale dumb, and is the Stalin of British left politics. loving tankies

:wrong:

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Apr 28, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

oh and also the time his shadow chancellor complained that britons don't appreciate the heroism of the ira enough

John McDonnell was right about that

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Apr 28, 2011
Melenchon only wants the top bracket at 90% not 100. Not sure why there's been that discrepancy from French to English media.

Also Jez is Labour's best chance of winning in the UK which just shows what an awful place it is.

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Apr 28, 2011

Badger of Basra posted:

If labour is polling at half of what the tories are with the Correct Leader, what should they change instead

Nothing. The UK is a poo poo country full of old people who will vote for their own demise and the young are self-absorbed enough to vote for the Lib Dems.

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Apr 28, 2011

Condiv posted:

imo, stop stabbing your leader in the back with coups and other poo poo?

That too.

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Apr 28, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

Perhaps the real reason Labour MPs wanted to get rid of Corbyn is that he's loving terrible at his job

they all are too though so i'm not sure what your point is here

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Apr 28, 2011
Cheering for Melenchon today, here.

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Apr 28, 2011
I love my useless centrist liberal party and my lovely unrepresentative first past the post electoral system. let me spread my cheeks for the Queen now

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