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Orv
May 4, 2011




:siren: This entire thread is going to be :nws: as gently caress, but still mark your poo poo. :siren:


Video Game Modding? What's That?

Video game modding has been around almost as long as video games have. The moment commercial video games existed, people started messing with them. Since then, the idea has become more and more complicated. What was once a simple item or level change has become the replacement of entire games with new models, systems and a whole new kitchen sink. Video game mods have produced some incredible things, things that will bring you joy and warmth, carrying you through this dark abyss of life a happier, more genial person;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSd0pI1EQGkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEFke7X0ajs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C22l82kbtGchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HcEU9i9cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSFlMCTXE8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifmj1O3D24




And we here at the awful mods thread (yes we're basically a low-effort cult of making fun of things) support these mods, because they're cool and good. There need to be more mods like this.



The Thread Title Says Awful Mods First Though?

Let this be your first reminder in this thread not to open your loving mouth and ask seemingly innocent questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GKY6bAJZxshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHxrYyfLXSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G4sxbWEf2Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_8LvzxOIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEiacIb8VMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yv-Yo8n8S8

If you watch those videos, and you should, you might notice that they're relatively benign, just kind of bad and with questionable writing. There are a lot of mods like this, mostly for Bethesda games, but that's not what we're here for.


:siren: Let me be abundantly clear. Every hyperlink for the rest of this post is some bad stuff. Most of it begins at :nws: and descends quickly into :nms: at an almost terminal velocity. Don't click these at work, or if you want to retain any semblance of hope for humanity, or really at all, to be honest. :siren:

This is the most benign link in the next two paragraphs. It's downright hysterical even. But that can't last. No you see, this thread is the embodiment of "this is why we can't have nice things." I've put these in descending (ascending?) order of weirdness. Mostly. The reality is that the games you know and love are also loved by some terrifying people. "People." .... Have some christmas anime ladies to make up for it. Hmmm... Look the point is all this stuff is off-putting, or kind of vaguely unsettling. Let's get weird.

Starting strong. Alright now we're talking. Here's a quick break before we start the hard stuff. Nothing will ever be alright again, Tom. Here's another break from the weird poo poo. Alright that was a lie. It's all bad from here on out. I would too, friend. Many crimes have been committed by mods. Some in the name of immersion(???). But all in the name of nerds who have never seen a woman.

If you somehow clicked on all of those without killing yourself, nothing this thread will provide can phase you. Here, have an apology from me, newly broken sack of human tissue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fxVeAVl2I8





And Then I Blatantly Stole This From The Last Thread To Save Myself Some Time

On Why Mod Authors Are Such Children posted:

What is Gategate?

There's a popular mod for Skyrim called Open Cities that is made by a modder called Arthmoor. Open Cities gets rid of the loading screen between the game world and each of the major cities by transferring the cities to the main game world, allowing for a seamless transition between city and wilderness. Towards the end of June, Arthmoor released an updated version of Open Cities that added standing Oblivion gates to each of the major cities. These gates stand out because they're large and are placed in the middle of each city. They also look like poo poo and have terrible textures. They don't even make sense from a lore perspective.

A lot of people didn't like this and wanted Arthmoor to remove the gates or at least make them optional but he refused, saying he wouldn't compromise his "artistic vision". This led to lots of arguing and bitching between people who didn't want the gates forced upon them (everyone), and a group of "veteran modders" (including Arthmoor) and their associated entourage of supporters. These supporters very often stated how thankful we should be that these talented demi-gods, with their vast, arcane knowledge on modding, would even bless us with an ounce of their talent, and without them the entire community around these games would fall apart and die because literally nobody else can do what they do (no, really, people were actually saying this).

Goon Upmarket Mango took Arthmoor's mod, removed the Oblivion gates, and put it up for download on the Steam Workshop with full credit and praise to Arthmoor.

Arthmoor flipped the gently caress out.

He railed against what he called a "stolen mod" and called Upmarket Mango a thief and a liar who was in on a conspiracy to drive him away from modding and Destroy Modding Forever. He also called Something Awful a warez site and a den of pirates and thieves. He went on to caused a lot of noise on the Bethesda forums, and after a few days Upmarket Mango's version was banned from the Workshop.

After that, goon Ardeus released a patch for Open Cities that removed the Oblivion gates. This patch required Arthmoor's Open Cities and in fact wouldn't even do anything without it. Additionally, the patch used absolutely no resources from Open Cities. It is a completely independent, third-party mod. Everybody is happy, right? Not quite.

Arthmoor went on the offensive, saying our (modding) days were over, that he's going to sue Something Awful, and that we better watch ourselves because THE GUILD will be coming after us. There was lots and lots and lots of internet-lawyering to be had and eventually both Ardeus and Arthmoor got in contact with Peter Hines, a community manager for loving vice president of Bethesda, who ended up siding with Ardeus on the issue. Arthmoor was obviously not happy with this and it seemed like he was going to implode at any moment. On the Bethesda forums (and other places) he was going on and on about what a dangerous precedent Bethesda had set by siding with Ardeus and how we damned goons ruined the community. He painted a dangerous world (using lots of sensationalist language) where mod pirates delivered precise and tactical strikes against people using virus-ladden mod bombs, and the esteemed modding community would be gripped in a cold war where both sides stockpiled these virus-mod-bombs until eventually it all blew up and we'd all die or something.

Arthmoor didn't implode like we'd all though he would and eventually things calmed down and Arthmoor even "authorized" an Official Gate Removal Patch to be made by one of his supporters with the warning that he will not be supporting it and that people should only use this authorized patch because other, unauthorized patches are in fact likely to break your game.

Throughout the whole episode, Arthmoor often stated that his Oblivion gates were in fact lore-friendly, adding that Bethesda only programmed, modeled, and animated the gates crumbling into pieces after being closed because... I don't know, who cares? Arthmoor's word is law and even Bethesda is subject to it. He even wrote an incredibly spergy rant about how Bethesda is wrong about their own game:

Arthmoor posted:

Why are there dead Oblivion gates in the cities now?

While the gates in TES4 were shown to collapse into their debris piles, the only known reason for why the physical parts vanished is because that's just how the animation was done. All gates used the same resource file so they all collapse the same way. Further, the gates that you as the player close down are done via removal of the sigil stone power source. So when those close, they're doing so under a controlled set of conditions and the physical portal withdraws as per whatever designed system the Daedra use for that.

When Martin pulls the Akatosh avatar bit at the end of TES4, whatever gates were standing open would have had their dimensional bridge abruptly severed, and I believe that would result in the physical manifestation remaining behind since it was NOT properly shut down. The end result of this should logically have been a series of gates still standing but with no portal. This was limited by how the scripting works to call their shutdown code though. All it did was instruct every gate to run the reverse animation. The code was also supposed to have caused all the debris everywhere to vanish as well but that doesn't happen, nobody reported it as a bug, and Bethesda didn't care enough to fix it.

So there ought to be various gates all over Tamriel that were left intact, including gates within cities. 200 years isn't long enough for solid stone to crumble into nothing. It is long enough for those gates which aren't being marginally maintained by those near them to become overgrown, cracked, damaged by weather, wars, etc. Could be up for debate as to weather the Nords would leave them sitting around like this or not, but there's nothing in the lore that says these couldn't simply have been left there as monuments to the Crisis.

Even here on Earth we build monuments to incredibly painful events in our history - like the WWII memorial at Pearl Harbor where they left the sunken ships in the harbor and turned it into a national monument. The statue representing the Battle of Iwo Jima. Whole museums dedicated to WWII history, and other wars fought as well. Battlefield memorials for the Civil War are everywhere. People even reenact these battles on a regular basis.

Arguments of it being feature creep don't fly either. No more so than a smelter in Riften where none exists, or gatesmen who open the gates for you if you're on horseback. These gates add a touch of uniqueness to the mod, and pay what I believe is an homage to TES4:Oblivion as one of the best games of its time. They are not active portals and nor are they eyesores. They're not even in your way.

Still not happy? Thomas Kaira has created a patch to remove the gates. Keep in mind that use of this patch is unsupported by me. Any problems arising from using it will be ignored. His is the only authorized patch, any others have been produced without permission and are likely to have game killing bugs in them. Any mention of an unauthorized version will be reported.

Oh, and uploading any other Open City mod, whether you made it yourself or not, will probably get you banned on the Nexus now. Hooray for hugboxes!

Here's to 500 more pages of soul-searing bullshit.

Orv fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Nov 7, 2016

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Orv
May 4, 2011
Yeah let me know exactly how bad and I'll fix it, it looks fine on my monitor but that's not exactly a good indicator.

E: Might be better now?

Orv fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Oct 30, 2016

Orv
May 4, 2011

Shady Amish Terror posted:

The 'Some in the name of immersion(???).' link is a hotlink to loverslab, and broken besides.

...which, thinking on it, certainly fits the thread's themes, but still.

I'll rehost it in a bit here, thanks.


RareAcumen posted:

Aww, Stardew Valley boob mod didn't make the cut for the OP.


In the end I figured the regulars knew the score and the new OP was really just a Hall of Horrors and Winners in the end, I didn't want to get overly encyclopedic.

Orv fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Oct 30, 2016

Orv
May 4, 2011

double nine posted:

that gategate story is amazing, thanks for writing it down. I have to ask, that gif at the top of the page - is that from a movie and if so which one?

Good old fashioned Christian rock and roll panic scare-doc.

e;fb

Orv
May 4, 2011
Don't forget to watch the CINEMATIC PROLOGUE for a wonderful selection of Bad Fantasy Author Pronoun Soup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z4MvAhvB0E

And them literally just stealing the TES prophecy PC poo poo.

Orv fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 30, 2016

Orv
May 4, 2011
It's Oblivion stone guys! :reject:

Orv fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 30, 2016

Orv
May 4, 2011

Spek posted:

Does anyone know of/wanna write a decent summary of the whole paid Skyrim mods debacle? Seems like a new thread should mention that.

Bethesda modders are stupid, narcissistic fuckheads, Bethesda somehow allowed that to keep happening but now for money, and then everyone screamed a bunch and it didn't happen

Honestly it was such a complete non-starter and so much of the 'debate' was just brick walls screaming at each other in not-really-funny ways that it's best left as a lovely historical curiosity.

Orv
May 4, 2011
All is right with the world.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Man what were the like, special forces of Redwall? They were one of the varieties of long rodents or something, give me one of those as a companion not some idiot elf.

Orv
May 4, 2011
All I really remember about Redwall is that some sort of animal worked for a giant murderbadger in a cool mountain fortress, the main mouse was a total bitch and the books got super hosed up for what were ostensibly kids books the further they went in.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Leal posted:

Well you're not throwing him through the gates to send him to Oblivion, its cause it'll hurt when he lands on the other side and maybe he'll get a few scratches and bruises from impact.

"At" would also be acceptable. Repeatedly.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Luckily it's mostly the modders that are uptight shitbabies. When a few of them took their ball and went home after the paid mods thing, they came crawling back pretty quickly when they realized if they were going to hide their mods, people weren't going to listen to their opinions anymore.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Link it.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Grizzwold posted:

Here you go. Enjoy?



It now rests where it should.

Orv
May 4, 2011
What is this, loving amateur hour? How is that even a question.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Look, if the last thread taught me anything it's that it ain't sexy until it has a dick the size of a small building, no matter what gender it is.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Bioware has set eventual extraterrestrial relations back like two centuries.

Diplomatic ones, anyway. :pervert:

Orv
May 4, 2011

Cernunnos posted:

Pretty sure Star Trek did it first. :heysexy:

Excuse me Star Trek is wholesome family programming. :colbert:


E: (I couldn't decide which thing to make fun of in regards to that, probably Enterprise season 1.)

Orv fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 8, 2016

Orv
May 4, 2011
I mean, in a vacuum yeah, but Voyager as whole is just such a wash that it kind of drowns out the catsuit.

Catsuit Drownings is my bluegrass band name.

Orv
May 4, 2011
I also identify as left sex.

Orv
May 4, 2011
"The butt that winks" will never stop making me panic laugh.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Vertical toilet paper holders are the way of the future.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Manuel Calavera posted:

Beans in is an abomination.

Clearly the Inquisition was after the wrong people, you loving deviant.

Orv
May 4, 2011
I swear to god I'll turn this thread around, just watch me.

Orv
May 4, 2011
All the expansion work at Guantanamo is actually just for the eventual Nexus crackdown.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Yeah that's not hyperbole.

Orv
May 4, 2011

It's 9:49 AM and yet it seems like a really good time to drink heavily.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Orv
May 4, 2011
Careful what you ask about in this thread.

Orv
May 4, 2011
I know only what google tells me in this matter, thankfully.

Orv
May 4, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

Is there a word for wanting to gently caress anthropomorphic jellyfish, too?

Bioware.

Orv
May 4, 2011
:smith:

Orv
May 4, 2011
:smith:

Orv
May 4, 2011
Whatever the Rimworld dev may or may not be loving up, he didn't make the weird sex mods for his game (intentionally), so it's got no place here.

Orv fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jan 21, 2017

Orv
May 4, 2011

The MSJ posted:

Is that a face trying to escape his crotch?

It bares the head of a cock.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Shut up idiots.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Relevant or not, the awful mods thread is not the place for social issues. If someone is stupid about mod ideas, make fun of them. If it spills over into the realm of people getting uptight about social issues, leave it alone.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Magmarashi posted:

The lack of 'quality control' on backer rewards always puzzles me. Someone has to actually go through those submissions to transfer them to the game, you'd honestly think it not that hard to shoot an email to someone telling them 'No, we're not going to add your Nazi OC or some poo poo about how you have issues with women, pick something else you loving grog'.

There's zero monetary (or sanity) reason to enforce any sort of quality control or standards over it. You waste the man hours implementing whatever method you have of showing them off, you do a Ctrl+F on submissions to make sure they're not racist hate tirades and you wash your hands of the entire thing.

Orv
May 4, 2011
I don't think even the people who pay $Texas for the chance to write their fanfic into a video game would think that fanfic would reflect on the quality of the developers own work.

(No you don't need to prove me wrong on this. Please.)

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Orv
May 4, 2011
Then your options are
  • That's dumb
  • Kickstarter was a mistake

Pick two.

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