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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Is this for real?

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Tom Guycot posted:

So how does everyone think election night will go down?

Will Pence have to give a concession speech?
Will Ranch Penis have to give the concession speech on behalf of the GOP?
Will Trump promise to litigate it and say its not over?
Will Trump call for people to protest?
Will Trump just fly back to new york and pretend he never ran for president and refuse to comment on it when the blowout is too large to fight?
Will Trump shock the world and actually give a concession speech?

Boy, sure is exciting having a loving lunatic running that won't even let the first woman president win with any grace. So many possibilities!

Trump will claim (falsely) that the Agent Greenback theory is true so he can say he succeeded.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

That Trump's a Clinton Mole that's losing on purpose.

Agent Greenback was what he was called in a political cartoon during the primary.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
I'm aryzing so drat hard here. :(

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/793253029197836292

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
The biggest evidence that Trump’s losing. Aryzing finished. Stiffed his pollster over 700 grand.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/Nov01.html#item-2

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303615-trump-camp-refusing-to-pay-pollster

quote:

Trump Stiffs His Pollster

Donald Trump doesn't like bad news and also doesn't like paying his contractors, so he decided not to pay his pollster, Tony Fabrizio, the $767,000 that Trump owes him for doing his polling. Fabrizio, a veteran Republican pollster, was hired in May, before Trump's current campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway (who is fundamentally a pollster) was brought on board. When asked to comment on Trump's stiffing his first pollster, the campaign refused to comment.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

canepazzo posted:

Can someone explain NC early voting to me? I keep reading that D are in good shape there, and in fact, they're leading EV by a huge margin. However, they're below 3-4% compared to same day 2012, while R are up 8-9%; and R ended up winning NC. So why is NC considered in a good D position? Is it because there's a huge increase in Unaffiliated? Is it cause many were self-reporting D in 2012 but actually voting R since Carter?

See:

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793429149129990144

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793428521985028097

Not arzying, just genuinely curious.

NY Times explains it well

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Some bad polls came out?

How bad should I arzy?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

According to 10,000 simulations of the elections by 538, if Trump loses North Carolina he loses 95% of the time.

NYTimes analysis of the early vote in North Carolina has Clinton up 49-43.3% Pretty in depth

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

Early voting in Nevada also suggests Hillary has a healthy lead. Trump only has a 9 % chance to win if he loses Nevada .

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/

With Trump losing both, I have to think his chances are very small.

On the other hand , I expect the polls to be off by 3 or 4 points one way or the other.

Just checked on NY Times path to victory. If Hillary wins North Carolina & Nevada, and assuming she also wins Virginia and Colorado (which I can't see not happening if she won the former), then Clinton has 59 ways to win and Trump only has 3 ways to win, while there are two chances for a tie. He has to win Florida, possible, and Pennsylvannia which seems unlikely unless the Transit strike screws us.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Turnout's going to be really high this year. Which is likely screwing up the polls. Not sure who that favors on a national scale though.

This doesn't even have Texas, whose numbers have gone through the roof.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

A Winner is Jew posted:

Higher turnout has always favored democrats historically.

That's true, but in theory white working class voters that typically don't vote could come out in mass. They're one of the lowest participating demographics, so they have room for a lot of growth. It's really the only way Trump could win, so I worry about it.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

TyrantWD posted:

Other than the tracking polls, there haven't really been many regularly reporting polls to see if Comey had any effect. There is the NBC/SM poll that saw no change post Comey, and overall no change in the last week, but it's also shown no reaction to most events that caused polls to shift (conventions, pneumoniagate, pussygate, and the first debate).

Probably no enthusiasm screen, just "do you intend to vote" & "have you voted before" questions.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

exploding mummy posted:

the early polling results in Florida are suggesting that a third of Republican early vote is going to Clinton



:getin:

Citation on that?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Relin posted:

But they become old people who do vote, surely? I guess it would be that then a lot of them switch like computer parts said...?

Think of it this way. Young person votes when they're twenty in 1970. They're socially liberal by the standards of the time. Their views do not change as they get over. This makes them socially conservative by the standards of the time when they vote at age 66 in 2016.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

the arzy interpretation if he's a Rubio data guy is "I'm surprised it took so long for one of these unrealistically rosy looks at the data to come out to make Dems feel better about the cold hard fact that fl is tied and Rubio is running away with it downticket"

Wouldn't the Rubio data guy be pretty happy about his guy winning big and Trump losing? After all, Trump derailed his guys chance at the nomination.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

Yes what I'm saying is he's happy that the "omg 28% of Rs voted Hillary" is out there because he knows some lovely pollsters have found that data, he doesn't personally believe it's true, and it's now being used to give false hope to the Dems while his boy cruises to re-election in the correct polling world

No. You're disagreeing with me. That poll that said 28% of Rs voted for Hillary also has Rubio winning with 51% of the vote due to ticket splitting. I'm say the Rubio guy would be happy with all those things being true.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Mr Interweb posted:

Are those numbers for Dems or both parties?

edit: looks like it's both.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/793534066435981312

What the hell is up with those PA, MI and VA numbers? :smith:

Huh? Dem numbers look better in all three states compared to 2012

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Le0 posted:

So medias in Switzerland are all reporting that Trump will win/Is back in it because that Washington Post/ABC News thing showing he's up 46/45 or something.
What's up with this poll, is it heavily leaning R?
Is Washington Post the good or the bad Washington paper?

WaPo is the good one. WaTimes is the bad one.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Anything from the last 10 hours that I should be aryzing over?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

There were good Florida/NC polls from both CNN and Quinipaic so no thankfully. There was a weird -3 Virginia poll from some random pollster but that goes against literally every other poll by a dozen points so I would throw it away.

Can I get a link to those?

Doesn't seem to have stopped the slide on 538, trend line still down?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

3 separate polls released today have Clinton up in Florida. The most recent one that has her down is from a new pollster called Remmington which is officially affiliated with the GOP and run by Ted Cruz's campaign manager.

I see the CNN and Survey USA polls at 538. What's the third?

Seinna College and Marist College had Trump up before those two.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Any new analysis on the early voter numbers?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Samuel Clemens posted:

Look up Schnorkles posts in the C-SPAM Trump thread if you want a detailed breakdown. The short version is that Dems are doing well in NV, CO, and NC, and not so hot in OH and IA. FL initially looked very promising for the GOP, but the Dems have slowly been gaining ground over the last couple of days.

Not really somewhere I want to go.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

Much as I abhor the very idea of that gross Yam Golem having possession of the Nuclear Football, checks and balances in the White House alone would put paid to using it

r-right? someone educate/reassure me here

Nope. The whole system is predicated on the president not being a petulant child.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

wilderthanmild posted:

Well we know from earlier conversations that the submarine nukes are kept in the dark about whether or not codes they get are real or a drill. So apparently they repeatedly receive codes and go through the procedure as if it was real, except that no missiles launch at the end. In theory they wouldn't know until they started hearing missiles launching. Does the launch have to go through anyone else or is it from the football direct to the launchers?

Goes through the general/admiral and then direct to the base commandant/sub captain IIRC then to the launchers. So two people

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

I'd really like to see Texas on these lists.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Texas Early Vote
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/Elections/earlyvoting/archive.shtml
2012 --- 3,407,497 votes through Nov 2nd out of 8,653,889 registered voters
2016 ---- 3,311,159 votes through Nov 1st out of 9,759,797 registered voters

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Charlz Guybon posted:

Texas Early Vote
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/Elections/earlyvoting/archive.shtml
2012 --- 3,407,497 votes through Nov 2nd out of 8,653,889 registered voters
2016 ---- 3,311,159 votes through Nov 1st out of 9,759,797 registered voters

I should note that those are 2012's totals.

2016 has three more days of early voting to go.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

DOJ would have to decide that. It ain't happening.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Those live polls look absolutely wretched. :psyduck:

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

mcmagic posted:

People know all of this. And a lot apparently don't care...

They also have the memory of a gold fish. This kind of ad pumps up turnout among your base and depresses it among the opponets.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
This looks too good to be true

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/793948060367863808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

quote:

@QuinnipiacPoll, Among Early Voters:

North Carolina:
Clinton 58 (+22)
Trump 36

#Ohio:
Clinton 58 (+26)
Trump 32

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Sky Shadowing posted:

Probably, but I expect early voting is heavily urban to avoid long lines on election day, which gives dems an advantage, whereas the less crowded rural areas are more election day, which helps republicans.

I don't recall that being true in the past. It's varied by state I think.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Looks like increased Hispanic turnout making up for the drop in the African-American vote?

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/793933545916039168

quote:

Nate Cohn
✔ ý@Nate_Cohn

Upshot/Siena polling of North Carolina early voters who *didn't* vote in 2012 (n=133): Clinton 57, Trump 34


Follow

Nate Cohn
✔ ý@Nate_Cohn

NC early voters who didn't vote in 2012:
White: C 43, T 45 (v. 35-55 among e.v. who vtd in 12)
Nonwhite: C 97 T 2 (v. 90-6 among vt in 12)

6:51 AM - 3 Nov 2016 · Washington, DC, United States

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Arcanen posted:

I know, right? Lol at people thinking that cricket of all things, a sport played and loved by dozens of countries, is somehow more important than the "WORLD SERIES" (that only involves the US) of baseball (that no one cares about outside of the US). Don't they know that the only sports that matter are baseball, football and basketball? I.e. the sports that the US is pretty much alone in taking seriously?

The World Series sometimes invovles Canada.

Also Baseball is popular in Latin America and East Asia. In fact, the MLB playoffs are broadcast on TV here in Korea.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Either someone is lying under oath or Trump is a pedophile

A sworn affidavit where Jeffery Epstein's employee recounts Trump getting a double blow job from a 13 and 12-year-old (on page 12).

https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits#fullscreen&from_embed

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 3, 2016

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Potato Salad posted:

Cubs won.

Clark County, Nevada firewall is 55k, 5k above what it needs to be.

More polling is confirming that it really was as many as 1/4 of Floridian GOP who split for Clinton.

Got a link to that?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

That's the original poll isn't it? I thought there was more?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Nice map of Florida early vote. Eyeballing it, looks good for Dems

http://brianamos.com/maps/flearlyvote.html

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

WeAreTheRomans posted:

I honestly don't remember this many fragile little bitches in 2012, which shaped up to be a much closer election than what we got here

Romney would just have been a bad president, not an existential threat to the Republic like Trunp.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

FactsAreUseless posted:

We hosed it up royally because there was no way to fight it other than an indefinite occupation.

We could have sent in the airborne to Torra Bora and captured or killed bin Laden right at the start then left. The Bush administration was far to casualty averse in that situation.

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